GP WIZ40-----I'm stuck----NOOB!!

[jardine]

Having issues with my GP Wiz40 that i just got in the mail (and i know the real issue is me in all this  ) I am running Mamewah 1.63 with v.125 of mame

Trying to set up my rotary joystick but with not much luck. Have replaced my KEYWiz 1.5 to the above product. Also have the usb rotary interface connector as well (http://www.ultimarc.com/rotary.html)

My problem: I have lost my Player 1 and 2 coin and start buttons. I beleive i have them hooked up right from the pinout....Player 1 coin/7, Start/8. Player 2 Coin/G, Start/H. Can someone confirm? Do i need to change anything in mame/frontend?

Also how the hell do i get the rotary going?? I have the main wiring loom that comes straight out of the base of the rotary connected to the usb rotary interface, this is then attached straight to the pc into a usb...i have ground going to ground in my GP Wiz40, but how do i get not only the rotary inputs configured but the up/down/left/right inputs as well.

Please, please help...dying to play Heavy Barrel tonite...

[isucamper]

My problem: I have lost my Player 1 and 2 coin and start buttons. I beleive i have them hooked up right from the pinout....Player 1 coin/7, Start/8. Player 2 Coin/G, Start/H. Can someone confirm? Do i need to change anything in mame/frontend?

Can you go into the windows control panel -> game controllers and bring up the properties for the GP-Wiz?  When you press your buttons, you should be able to see what (if anything) they are actually being mapped to.

Also how the hell do i get the rotary going?? I have the main wiring loom that comes straight out of the base of the rotary connected to the usb rotary interface, this is then attached straight to the pc into a usb...i have ground going to ground in my GP Wiz40, but how do i get not only the rotary inputs configured but the up/down/left/right inputs as well.

I'm really confused here.  Did you know that the GP-Wiz supports rotary functionality?  You don't need the Ultimarc interface if you are using the GP-Wiz.  UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT on your rotary sticks must be configured to GPWiz as if they were buttons or any other joystick.  If you insist on using the Ultimarc Rotary Interface, understand that only the rotary signals go through the interface's USB. 

[jardine]

My problem: I have lost my Player 1 and 2 coin and start buttons. I beleive i have them hooked up right from the pinout....Player 1 coin/7, Start/8. Player 2 Coin/G, Start/H. Can someone confirm? Do i need to change anything in mame/frontend?

Can you go into the windows control panel -> game controllers and bring up the properties for the GP-Wiz?  When you press your buttons, you should be able to see what (if anything) they are actually being mapped to.


Yeah...i did this and it seems that when all buttons and joysticks are pushed they show to be mapped to the correct positions.

Also how the hell do i get the rotary going?? I have the main wiring loom that comes straight out of the base of the rotary connected to the usb rotary interface, this is then attached straight to the pc into a usb...i have ground going to ground in my GP Wiz40, but how do i get not only the rotary inputs configured but the up/down/left/right inputs as well.

I'm really confused here.  Did you know that the GP-Wiz supports rotary functionality?  You don't need the Ultimarc interface if you are using the GP-Wiz.  UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT on your rotary sticks must be configured to GPWiz as if they were buttons or any other joystick.  If you insist on using the Ultimarc Rotary Interface, understand that only the rotary signals go through the interface's USB. 

Ok....so the Ultimarc rotary interface is what controls the rotary aspect..got it..i have that str8 into the pc but not sure where to go to get it to work. Also are you saying that i dont need this at all? The wiring loom from the base of the rotary joystick plugs str8 into it, there is no spot for this loom on the KeyWiz40.

 The up/down/left/right on this joystick must go into the Keywiz...yeah??? same inputs as player one joystick??

DO i need to do something in mamewah or mame to get all of this back?

[TPB]

I'm really confused here.  Did you know that the GP-Wiz supports rotary functionality?  You don't need the Ultimarc interface if you are using the GP-Wiz.  UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT on your rotary sticks must be configured to GPWiz as if they were buttons or any other joystick.  If you insist on using the Ultimarc Rotary Interface, understand that only the rotary signals go through the interface's USB. 

Ok....so the Ultimarc rotary interface is what controls the rotary aspect.

The Ultimarc rotary interface will control the rotary aspect, but only if you decide to use it.  Being the owner of a GP-Wiz40, you don't need it.

As isucamper said, the GP-Wiz40 has its own built-in support for rotary joysticks.

Also are you saying that i dont need this at all?

Yes, that's what he was saying.

The wiring loom from the base of the rotary joystick plugs str8 into it, there is no spot for this loom on the KeyWiz40.

That's true.

That's the only advantage of the Ultimarc rotary interface - simpler connection - the wiring loom plugs straight into it.

I've made a suggestion to Randy here, that he should offer a similarly convenient plug for the GGG interfaces :

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=88710.0

You need to wire up the rotary connections on your joysticks to the GP-Wiz40 in accordance with this diagram :

http://www.groovygamegear.com/PDF/GP40_Eco_ST.pdf

The up/down/left/right on this joystick must go into the Keywiz...yeah???

Yes, that's right.

[isucamper]

Ok....so the Ultimarc rotary interface is what controls the rotary aspect..got it..i have that str8 into the pc but not sure where to go to get it to work. Also are you saying that i dont need this at all? The wiring loom from the base of the rotary joystick plugs str8 into it, there is no spot for this loom on the KeyWiz40.

 The up/down/left/right on this joystick must go into the Keywiz...yeah??? same inputs as player one joystick??

DO i need to do something in mamewah or mame to get all of this back?

Ok, I'm confused again.  Are you using a KeyWiz or a GPWiz?  Only the GPWiz has rotary capability.  If you want to use it with Happ Rotary sticks, you need to cut off the harness and wire the inputs up directly to the screw terminals per Randy's documentation.  I've done this and it works super.  You even get functionality for a few more games that the Ultimarc interface can't handle (Frontline, Tin Star).

To test your Ultimarc interface, just open up Notepad and start turning the stick.  You should see a [ character for each right turn and a ] character for each left.  If you're not getting anything, be sure that windows is recognizing the device as a generic USB HID device (look in your device manager).  If it is and you STILL aren't getting anything, be sure your harness (or loom as you called it) is not plugged in upside down.  When I first tried mine, the intuitive way to plug it in was upside down.  I sent a picture to Andy of how I was doing it and he told me I plugged both sticks in upside down.  Turning them right side up fixed them up perfectly. 

[jardine]

Ok, I'm confused again.  Are you using a KeyWiz or a GPWiz?  Only the GPWiz has rotary capability.  If you want to use it with Happ Rotary sticks, you need to cut off the harness and wire the inputs up directly to the screw terminals per Randy's documentation.  I've done this and it works super.  You even get functionality for a few more games that the Ultimarc interface can't handle (Frontline, Tin Star).

To test your Ultimarc interface, just open up Notepad and start turning the stick.  You should see a [ character for each right turn and a ] character for each left.  If you're not getting anything, be sure that windows is recognizing the device as a generic USB HID device (look in your device manager).  If it is and you STILL aren't getting anything, be sure your harness (or loom as you called it) is not plugged in upside down.  When I first tried mine, the intuitive way to plug it in was upside down.  I sent a picture to Andy of how I was doing it and he told me I plugged both sticks in upside down.  Turning them right side up fixed them up perfectly. 
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Thank you...wiring loom (or harness as you call it  ) was plugged in the wrong way!!! Who would have thought that the wires would point inwards over the interface as opposed to outwards?

 Thank you so so much. It recognised the keystrokes in notepad so i guess i don't have to cut off the harness and wire the inputs directly into the GP WIZ40.

All i need now is to get my GP Keywiz40 going now. Can you shed any light on this matter. I am still not getting any response outta my buttons and joysticks.

[isucamper]

All i need now is to get my GP Keywiz40 going now. Can you shed any light on this matter. I am still not getting any response outta my buttons and joysticks.

your problem wasn't entirely clear to me

Your saying you had mame working with your old interface, then you switched to the GPWiz and MAME stopped working?  Your computer will see the Keywiz as if it is a keyboard, but it will see your new GPWiz as a gamepad.  MAME is still probably looking for the keyboard strokes.  If I'm understanding the problem, you will need to reconfigure MAME to use the Gamepad buttons instead.

Glad you got your rotaries working.   

[isucamper]

I just had another thought.  If you're using a GPWiz, you need to enable gamepad/joystick control in mame.  Add the '-joy' option if you're running from the command line, or enable it in the gui if your using Windows version or a frontend of some kind.

[jardine]

All i need now is to get my GP Keywiz40 going now. Can you shed any light on this matter. I am still not getting any response outta my buttons and joysticks.

your problem wasn't entirely clear to me

Your saying you had mame working with your old interface, then you switched to the GPWiz and MAME stopped working?  Your computer will see the Keywiz as if it is a keyboard, but it will see your new GPWiz as a gamepad.  MAME is still probably looking for the keyboard strokes.  If I'm understanding the problem, you will need to reconfigure MAME to use the Gamepad buttons instead.

Glad you got your rotaries working.   

Ok...wow...i think we are getting somewhere...yes you are right about the above. My GPWiz is seen as a gamepad. How do i get into mame to reconfigure it to recignise the gamepad and not the keystroks.

I am running command line (I think, how can i tell?) of mame so where do i go and do i add the -joy option.

[isucamper]

Ok...wow...i think we are getting somewhere...yes you are right about the above. My GPWiz is seen as a gamepad. How do i get into mame to reconfigure it to recignise the gamepad and not the keystroks.

I am running command line (I think, how can i tell?) of mame so where do i go and do i add the -joy option.

How do you execute mame when you play a game?  Are you running it from a front end?  If so which one? 

 

[jardine]

I a running mame v.125 with mamewah v1.63

I have obviously tried to configure through mame and mamewah IN GAME with no success as we've discussed because it aint recognising it as a gamepad.

I think i have to go into mame.ini, in mamewah to do this. Is this correct? Just not sure what to look for or how to make the appropiate changes.

[isucamper]

I a running mame v.125 with mamewah v1.63

I have obviously tried to configure through mame and mamewah IN GAME with no success as we've discussed because it aint recognising it as a gamepad.

I think i have to go into mame.ini, in mamewah to do this. Is this correct? Just not sure what to look for or how to make the appropiate changes.

Sorry, I'm a mala man myself.  I've never used mamewah.

If you want to test it at a low lever, pull up a command prompt (start->programs->accessories), navigate to your mame folder and type:  "mame <rom name> -joy" and see if it enables your joysticks. 

[TPB]

isucamper, jardine,

Guys ... I've referred to your experiences with the rotary interfaces, in this thread :

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=88710.0


Cheers,

Dave (TPB).