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Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« on: June 16, 2003, 11:57:56 pm »
I just figured up my total costs on the Artic Mini Mame (now that it was finished), and they came out slightly negative (my leftover parts are worth more than what I spent total).

$13.00 Cabinet
$75.00 Monitor
$10.00 Computer (multiple trades, was essentially free, the money was the shipping I paid))
$ 3.00 Interface (joystick port)
$16.00 Ms. Pac/Galaga replacement stick
$ 1.00 Buttons (already had, I just gave them a value though).
$ 1.80 Control panel overlay (rubber stair protector from hardware store).
$ 0.50 Speakers (garage sale)
$ 5.00 Video card (voodoo3, already had, just gave it a value)
$ 0.25 Keyboard (garage sale).
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$125.55 Grand total

Leftovers (and their guestimated value).
$100.00 Unburned, almost unused (super clean) 19" arcade monitor.
$ 10.00 Original control panel overlay in mint condition
$  3.00 Original 4-way joystick
$  5.00 Audio amp
$  7.00 coin shroud and speaker
$  3.55 wiring harness that no one will ever want.
$  5.00 Transformer
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$133.55 total of leftovers

Total cost ended up being negative $8.00
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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2003, 02:28:22 am »
heres mine

15inch monitor - had it
creative 5.1 speakers w./sub - had it
cab - 50 dollars
xarcade - 150 dollars (waiting for it to arrive)
pc - 215
soundcard - 30
graphics card - 50
flouresent light - 8
black construction paper - 1
various plexi - 15
control panel art, marquee, and cp plexi i didn't buy yet

so far im at... around 450... it all depend son what you have on hand ect...
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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2003, 10:50:31 am »
Here's an old thread on the subject that might be of interest:
http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=7409
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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2003, 10:55:58 am »
I just figured up my total costs on the Artic Mini Mame (now that it was finished), and they came out slightly negative (my leftover parts are worth more than what I spent total).

$13.00 Cabinet
$75.00 Monitor
$10.00 Computer (multiple trades, was essentially free, the money was the shipping I paid))
$ 3.00 Interface (joystick port)
$16.00 Ms. Pac/Galaga replacement stick
$ 1.00 Buttons (already had, I just gave them a value though).
$ 1.80 Control panel overlay (rubber stair protector from hardware store).
$ 0.50 Speakers (garage sale)
$ 5.00 Video card (voodoo3, already had, just gave it a value)
$ 0.25 Keyboard (garage sale).
------------
$125.55 Grand total

Leftovers (and their guestimated value).
$100.00 Unburned, almost unused (super clean) 19" arcade monitor.
$ 10.00 Original control panel overlay in mint condition
$  3.00 Original 4-way joystick
$  5.00 Audio amp
$  7.00 coin shroud and speaker
$  3.55 wiring harness that no one will ever want.
$  5.00 Transformer
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$133.55 total of leftovers

Total cost ended up being negative $8.00


Well the old parts are worthless until you sell them unless you plan on using them. When you mention "wiring harness that no one will ever want" it has a value of $0.00. About the only thing I see in your list of leftovers that would be worth selling would be that 19" monitor. However, if it's in great condition it may be worth more than the $100 you give it credit for. Then the moment you sell it is when you can say you made money by building your cabinet.

The secret to building cheap cabinets is free stuff. PC's are easy to get for free if you don't mind starting off with a crappy one and then work your way up. Cabinets can come pretty cheap if they're gutted, if the selelr doesn't know what they're worth, or if the seller just wants to get rid of it already.


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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2003, 11:19:31 am »
I just figured up my total costs on the Artic Mini Mame (now that it was finished), and they came out slightly negative (my leftover parts are worth more than what I spent total).

$13.00 Cabinet
$75.00 Monitor
$10.00 Computer (multiple trades, was essentially free, the money was the shipping I paid))
$ 3.00 Interface (joystick port)
$16.00 Ms. Pac/Galaga replacement stick
$ 1.00 Buttons (already had, I just gave them a value though).
$ 1.80 Control panel overlay (rubber stair protector from hardware store).
$ 0.50 Speakers (garage sale)
$ 5.00 Video card (voodoo3, already had, just gave it a value)
$ 0.25 Keyboard (garage sale).
------------
$125.55 Grand total

Leftovers (and their guestimated value).
$100.00 Unburned, almost unused (super clean) 19" arcade monitor.
$ 10.00 Original control panel overlay in mint condition
$  3.00 Original 4-way joystick
$  5.00 Audio amp
$  7.00 coin shroud and speaker
$  3.55 wiring harness that no one will ever want.
$  5.00 Transformer
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$133.55 total of leftovers

Total cost ended up being negative $8.00


That list is a bit slanted IMO. :)

First of all, you consider things as "free" if you traded for them.  They aren't really free, as you traded something for them, and the things you traded must have come from somewhere.  Be it an old computer part or whatever, you bought that computer part once upon a time.  Even if you traded a part that you traded for another part that you traded for another part, the stuff came from somewhere.  Unless of course you traded a part that someone just outright gave to you.  That Voodoo3 card might be worth more than $5 (I don't really know).

Maybe this is a list of "total cash outlay for the project" which could include a $500 PC if you already had it, or many expensive items.  If your purpose is to show how much you actually spent on the project, then this is acceptable.  (this is what many of us do since we have lots of "extra" parts laying around anyway that are, for the most part, worthless).

You don't consider any of your time, effort, travel, etc. in these costs.  I could say, "I got this pacman cocktail for free."  But in reality, I did 10 hours of work for him that I usually charge $100/hr for, and he gave me the game in exchange for the work.  Did I really get the game for free or did I basically pay $1000 for it??  Saying I got the game for free would be misleading or optimistic, saying I basically paid $1000 for the game would be more accurate. I do this kind of stuff often and I always treat it just like I actually paid for the stuff.

Also, your list of leftover, valuable parts is really just a list of other things that are practically worthless, too, with exception of the monitor.  Is that overlay really worth $10?  How many people are looking for a King and Balloon overlay?  If that Audio amp were a PC speaker amp and you used it in your Mame, you would have given it a value of $0.00 or next to nothing.  Even the monitor is estimated high, IMO.  Sure, a new 19" is more than $100, but if you were trading it for other arcade parts, or throwing it into a game with a dead monitor or whatever, it would be more like $50.

I spend a small fortune on my first Mame box, but I had to have everything just the way I wanted it, and everything brand new.  I will probably build more of them in the future and they will definitely cost a fraction of my first one.  If I'm just going to give them away as gifts or whatever, there is no sense in going "all out", but I wanted to do that for my personal machine.

Not to shoot down your list, I'm just saying I think it is "optimistic."  No doubt you built your mame for very little money and found great ways to save money.  And I think that was really your point anyway - that a Mame machine can be built for very little money if a person really wants to.  And I agree.

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2003, 11:20:23 am »
 Hhhhmmm, that's some pretty funny accounting. You guys must have worked at Enron. When you assign a value to something (say a 5$ video card), that may be what it is worth but not really what it cost you. If you bought that card new for 100$ and let it sit in a drawer for 3 years, it may only be worth 5$ now but it still cost you 100$. Consumer products generally depreciate in value over time and that depreciation comes right out of your pocket.

 I always find it funny when people post the cost of their cabinets and put things like 'Computer.... free. I already had it'. Well, you paid for it at one point! Then again, I guess it keeps the women happy. 'Look honey, I spent 1000$ on this monstrosity but according to my calculations, it only really cost me 50 cents!' ;)

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2003, 11:45:59 am »
Hhhhmmm, that's some pretty funny accounting. You guys must have worked at Enron. When you assign a value to something (say a 5$ video card), that may be what it is worth but not really what it cost you. If you bought that card new for 100$ and let it sit in a drawer for 3 years, it may only be worth 5$ now but it still cost you 100$. Consumer products generally depreciate in value over time and that depreciation comes right out of your pocket.

 I always find it funny when people post the cost of their cabinets and put things like 'Computer.... free. I already had it'. Well, you paid for it at one point! Then again, I guess it keeps the women happy. 'Look honey, I spent 1000$ on this monstrosity but according to my calculations, it only really cost me 50 cents!' ;)

No that would be proper accounting. If I buy a printer for $1000, I'd credit a $1000 to my assets and debt my cash on hand by a $1000. Now this printer I bought I only planned on using 2 years. So thus I depreciate it at a rate of $500 a year. So at the end of 2 years it has no value in my assets. Now say I printed 5000 pages a year on it. So the first 2 years anything I printed on it would cost me 10 cents a page plus cost of paper and ink. After 2 years anything I print on it only cost me paper and ink. So now I increase my profit. I don't increase my assets because the printer still works. I've already depreciated the printer so now my cost just goes down on my print jobs. There is no new cost incurred as your suggesting. Using the printer now is essentially free.

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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2003, 02:44:15 pm »
Yeah, well, anyway, here's a quick summary of my costs, if we're still interested in that :)

Old Stren cab - free
K6-2 450Mhz +mobo - free
128MB RAM - $30
Sound Card - $15
TV - $169
Monsoon Flat Speaker system w/ sub - $150
Buttons and Joysticks - $80
iPac - $45
ATI Radeon 7500 65MB - $80
Marquee - $25 ($45, but for some reason they refunded $20 to my credit card.  I didn't ask)
Power supply - $30
Hard Drive - Already had
802.11g wireless card -  $110
Various Home Depot screws/paint and such - $60
T-Molding - $25
Tinted Plexi - haven't bought yet, but estimated at $35

Profit:
Arcade Monitor - $70
Jail Break PCB - $5 (haven't sold yet)
Jail Break CP -  $5 (haven't sold yet)

SubTotal: $769

Now, let's take into account the $460 Futureshop store credit I got due to an item exchange goof-up.

Total: $309

Holy crap.  That's quite a bit more than I thought I spent on it.  You never really know until you total it up.  Hmmm...  well, as far as my wife knows, it's $200 and not a penny more :)

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Edit: Wow, I forgot some important stuff like iPac and Video card.  And I'll throw in the awesome deal I got at the local electronics store :)
« Last Edit: June 17, 2003, 05:23:14 pm by Odonadon »
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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2003, 04:17:26 pm »
What condition is the origional 4 way in? I might want to buy it...
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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2003, 04:23:17 pm »
Well, I'll join the parade:

Motherboard - $30
CPU (AMD AthlonXP 1700+) - $30
No case, mounted in cab
Power supply - $0 (had laying around)
1 gig DDR Ram - $0 after rebates
(That's right, thank you office depot and office max)
40 gig hard dive - $20 after rebates & coupon (Staples)
ATI Radeon 32 mb Svideo out - $20 eBay
Sound card - $0 (spare, bought when free after rebate)
28" TV - $0 (from family member)
(tuner doesn't work but Svideo input shows perfect picture)  
Logitech Cordless Elite Duo - $0 after rebate & pricematch
(thank you Best Buy)
Logitech Z340 sub + 2 sats - $13 (Target clearance)

computer subtotal - $113  

Betson 3" PS/2 TB - $50 (eBay)
mounting plate - $15 (Happs)
two XGaming 4/8 way joys + 20 buttons - $25 (eBay)
Ipac - $35 (eBay)
Wire & disconnects - $10 (Ratshack & Home Depot)

CP subtotal - $135

MDF, bolts, marquee light - $50 (Home Depot)
Marquee on Mylar - $25 (private individual)
coin door - $20 (eBay)
locks $5 - (eBay)
no overlay for CP yet
bezel is painted styrofoam for now (free)

Cab subtotal $100


Total $358  
« Last Edit: June 17, 2003, 07:09:40 pm by mccall »

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2003, 09:58:28 pm »
What condition is the origional 4 way in? I might want to buy it...

The original 4-way is already sold in a lot of assorted parts (along with the audio amp).

The computer really was free. I traded a cabinet that I got free for some Sega Turbo parts, which I traded for the computer.

I will likely use the monitor to revive a dead/missing monitor game sometime in the future (if I don't sell it first). The thing looks new, it really is easily a $100 monitor.

Judging from what I have sold other oddball control panel overlays for, this one should be a $10 item also. (Actually fits all Artic Mini/caberet cabs, they all used that same spaceman overlay).

Anyway. Even discounting all the leftover bits, I still spent pretty much hardly anything on this bad boy. I wish my other one was that cheap.
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Re:Yes, you can do it cheap if you try.
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2003, 08:11:53 am »
paigeoliver,

   Maybe your list isn't as biased as I thought. :)

   I guess your story is a good example of how getting into coin op arcade games as a hobby is of great benefit to anyone building a Mame box.  There are lots of arcade games out there for free or close to it, and there are lots of salvagable parts (not just the cabinet).

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2003, 12:21:51 pm »
I think 2slk and Mike raise good points about the book-keeping practices shown in this thread.

The main point of contention is the distinction between cost and value.  The expense lists here are combining the two when they represent different things.

Cost is the how much money I would have to spend, period.  For example, let's say I wanted to make a cabinet exactly like the Artic mini-mame.  Let's assume I had to start from ground zero - I have no old computers/monitors/hardware.  I could acquire all the necessary components in three ways:

1) Buy them (new or used)
2) Trade something for it.  In order to do this, I need something to trade; the cost would be whatever I paid for the item I'm trading in.
3) Gift or donation.  If someone wants to give me something, then the cost is zero.

Going by (1) and (2), I seriously doubt I could assemble Paigeoliver's system for $125.  (3) is the wild card - it seems that some people are very talented in finding free stuff (unfortunately, I'm not one of them).

In terms of value, let's say that I had an old Pentium 300 lying around.   If I tried to sell it, I'd probably get $100 (just a round figure), so the value is $100.  But I had to originally pay $1000 to acquire it in the first place - the cost is $1000.  (Hopefully I got at least $900 worth of use out of it.)

It works the other way too.  Let's say someone donated a brand new WG9200 monitor to me (it could happen  ;)).  The cost is zero to me, but if I wanted to sell it, I'd place a value of $500 on it.

I'm always interested in seeing how inexpensively people can put together MAME cabs, but I'm a litttle skeptical that these lists aren't a indicating the true cost.  Still, I think that it's possible to put together a very nice MAME cabinet for less than $500 - you just need to be aggressive in finding salvage.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2003, 01:08:48 pm »
All right, let's see how mine comes out.  I, being the ultimate cheapskate.

Cabinet: a six pack ($6.99)
Computer: $15 to replace the motherboard (everything else I salvaged from stuff given to me)
KeyWiz: $41 (included shipping)
Joy/Buttons: $0 (raped off a few old CPs given to me)
Power Strip: $5
Wire: $0 (salvaged CAT-5 from a dumpster diving expo)
.187 Female connectors: $10 for 100
Black 3/4" T-Molding, 60': $25
19" Monitor: $89
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Total so far: $189, not including gasoline, tolls and time.

This is just for a playable cabinet.  I haven't painted it yet.  I'm waiting for a really good sale on matte black paint.

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2003, 09:39:02 am »
Mine weighs in at the $500 mark but is fairly well equipped for $500 (:  If I had to calculate value, it would be much higher obviously.  Probably around $2000

Cab:  Built 2 from scratch.  2nd guy was not handy so the agreement was that he purchase the materials and I build them.  $0 cost to me.

CPU:  Had a 1.4Ghz PC that was given to me. $0 cost to me

CP:  Purchased a SlikStik Classic for $450.  Worth it to have it built for me for $100 more than I could buy the parts.

Monitor:  NEC Multisync 27" monitor that does 15,25 and 31.5 Khz.  This monitor ROCKS!!!!  $50 from brother in law.  He got a steal on buying 3 of these used from a local A/V rental store.

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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2003, 02:35:51 pm »
Mine weighs in at the $500 mark but is fairly well equipped for $500 (:  If I had to calculate value, it would be much higher obviously.  Probably around $2000

Cab:  Built 2 from scratch.  2nd guy was not handy so the agreement was that he purchase the materials and I build them.  $0 cost to me.

CPU:  Had a 1.4Ghz PC that was given to me. $0 cost to me

CP:  Purchased a SlikStik Classic for $450.  Worth it to have it built for me for $100 more than I could buy the parts.

Monitor:  NEC Multisync 27" monitor that does 15,25 and 31.5 Khz.  This monitor ROCKS!!!!  $50 from brother in law.  He got a steal on buying 3 of these used from a local A/V rental store.

Mine is about 300-500$... I have a CP underlay and marquee too... and my DC hooked up to it...
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