Vertical Games, Spinner & Trackball

[lettuce]

Anybody have any ideas of what vertical arcade games used either a spinner or trackball as a control method?, i can think of a few:

Trackball:
centipede
millipede

Spinner:
Tempest

[Twin-X]

If you download mame32 an run it you can see a complete list of games that support trackball or spinner if i recall correctly.

[lettuce]

I appears not to be too accurite, and only able to display games that have trackball support not spinner

[Ginsu Victim]

Tried http://www.mameworld.net/maws ?

[NOP]

this is a perfect job for romlister ya know.

find: (rotate=90 | rotate=270) & (dial | trackball) & !emulation=preliminary &  !(BIOS)

Ace Attacker (Japan, System 16A, FD1094 317-0060)
Akkanbeder (Ver 2.5J 1995/06/14)
American Horseshoes (US)
APB - All Points Bulletin (French)
APB - All Points Bulletin (German)
APB - All Points Bulletin (rev 1)
APB - All Points Bulletin (rev 2)
APB - All Points Bulletin (rev 3)
APB - All Points Bulletin (rev 4)
APB - All Points Bulletin (rev 5)
APB - All Points Bulletin (rev 6)
APB - All Points Bulletin (rev 7)
Arkanoid - Revenge of DOH (Japan)
Arkanoid - Revenge of DOH (US)
Arkanoid - Revenge of DOH (World)
Arkanoid (bootleg on Block hardware)
Arkanoid (bootleg with MCU)
Arkanoid (bootleg with MCU, harder)
Arkanoid (Game Corporation bootleg, set 1)
Arkanoid (Game Corporation bootleg, set 2)
Arkanoid (Japan)
Arkanoid (Tayto bootleg)
Arkanoid (Tayto bootleg, harder)
Arkanoid (US)
Arkanoid (US, older)
Arkanoid (World)
Arm Champs II v1.7
Arm Champs II v2.6
Atari Mini Golf (prototype)
Battle Field (bootleg)
Battle Field (Japan)
Bermuda Triangle (Japan old version)
Bermuda Triangle (Japan)
Bermuda Triangle (US older version)
Big Event Golf (Japan)
Big Event Golf (US)
Birdie King
Birdie King 2
Birdie King 3
Birdie Try (Japan)
Blades of Steel (version E)
Blades of Steel (version T)
Block (Game Corporation bootleg, set 1)
Block (Game Corporation bootleg, set 2)
Block Block (bootleg)
Block Block (Japan 910910)
Block Block (World 910910)
Block Gal (bootleg)
Block Gal (MC-8123B, 317-0029)
Bowl-O-Rama
Bowling Alley
Buggy Challenge
Buggy Challenge (Tecfri)
Bulls Eye Darts
Caliber 50
Capcom Bowling (set 1)
Capcom Bowling (set 2)
Capcom Bowling (set 3)
Capcom Bowling (set 4)
Caterpillar
Centipede (1 player, timed)
Centipede (bootleg)
Centipede (revision 2)
Centipede (revision 3)
Championship Bowling
Coors Light Bowling
Cosmic Chasm (set 1)
Cosmic Chasm (set 2)
Dogou Souken
Dogou Souken (Joystick hack bootleg)
Double Cheese
DownTown (prototype)
DownTown (Set 1)
DownTown (Set 2)
Drift Out (Japan)
Drive Out
Dyno Bop
Fire Truck
Free Kick (bootleg)
Gekirindan (Ver 2.3J 1995/09/21)
Ghox
Gigas (bootleg)
Gigas Mark II (bootleg)
Goindol (Korea)
Goindol (US)
Goindol (World)
Gondomania (US)
Grand Champion
Grid Seeker: Project Storm Hammer (Ver 1.3A)
Grid Seeker: Project Storm Hammer (Ver 1.3J)
Grid Seeker: Project Storm Hammer (Ver 1.3O)
Guerrilla War (bootleg)
Guerrilla War (US)
Guerrilla War (Version 1)
Guevara (Japan)
Gunlock (Ver 2.3O 1994/01/20)
Heavy Barrel (US)
Heavy Barrel (World)
Homo
Ikari (Japan bootleg)
Ikari (Japan)
Ikari Warriors (US)
Imola Grand Prix
Ixion (prototype)
Kick (cocktail)
Kick (upright)
Kickman (upright)
Krazy Bowl
Kyukyoku Tiger II (Ver 2.1J 1995/11/30)
Lady Frog
Mad Planets
Mad Planets (UK)
Magic Worm (bootleg)
Mahjong Block Jongbou (Japan)
Major League
Makyou Senshi (Japan)
Marine Date
Millipede
Millpac
Monte Carlo
Moonwar
Moonwar (older)
Oigas (bootleg)
Over Drive
Paddle 2 (bootleg on Block hardware)
Peggle (Trackball, v1.0)
Pound for Pound (Japan)
Pound for Pound (US)
Pound for Pound (World)
Quantum (prototype)
Quantum (rev 1)
Quantum (rev 2)
Quester (Japan)
Ray Force (Ver 2.3A 1994/01/20)
Ray Force (Ver 2.3J 1994/01/20)
Razzmatazz
Redline Racer (2 players)
Riddle of Pythagoras (Japan)
SAR - Search And Rescue (Japan)
SAR - Search And Rescue (US)
SAR - Search And Rescue (World)
Shoot the Bull
Shuffleboard
Slick Shot (V1.6)
Slick Shot (V1.7)
Slick Shot (V2.2)
Slither (set 1)
Slither (set 2)
Space Invaders '95: The Attack Of Lunar Loonies (Ver 2.5A 1995/06/14)
Space Invaders '95: The Attack Of Lunar Loonies (Ver 2.5O 1995/06/14)
Strata Bowling (V1)
Strata Bowling (V3)
Street Heat - Cardinal Amusements
Strike Bowling
Super Bug
Super Speed Race
Super Strike Bowling
T.A.N.K. (Japan)
T.N.K. III (US)
Tac/Scan
Tee'd Off (Japan)
Tempest (rev 1)
Tempest (rev 2)
Tempest (rev 2, Revised Hardware)
Tempest (rev 3)
Tempest Tubes
Time Soldiers (US Rev 1)
Time Soldiers (US Rev 3)
Top Gunner (bootleg)
TouchDown Fever
TouchDown Fever (Japan)
TouchDown Fever 2
Tournament Arkanoid (US)
Tri-Sports
Tron (set 1)
Tron (set 2)
Tron (set 3)
Tron (set 4)
Turbo
Turbo (encrypted set 1)
Turbo (encrypted set 2)
Twin Cobra II (Ver 2.1A 1995/11/30)
Twin Cobra II (Ver 2.1O 1995/11/30)
U.S. Classic
Victory Road
Vs. Hot Smash
World Wars (World)

Note that this list has games that are trackball or spinner, but can also include games like tron which would be spinner+joystick...[edit:] This list also contains driving games, since steering wheel = dial.

The biggest problem is that MAME typically describes trackball games as joy8way, so there is going to be a lot of missing entries if controls.dat hasn't described them properly.  There are folks who are trying to get controls.dat updated, as it's missing nearly 1/2 of the games that mame now supports.  Controls.dat is falling way behind.

[Loafmeister]

May be wrong but didn't the Lemmings arcade prototype support a trackball?  If so, I wonder why it didn't appear in the list?

[lettuce]

Thanks for the List NOP, im just dl romlister now, i think i just stick with spinner based games, there'll be no room really for a trackball on my bartop

[Turnarcades]

Thanks for that; I'm about to build my new personal arcade machine with a trackball and spinner, so I can now pick out these games individually and set up the controls as I like them.

[lettuce]

Hmm, Well according to Romlister there doesnt seem to be too many vertical games that have a spinner as a control method:

Arkanoid
Arkanoid Revenge Of Doh
Arm Champs II
Atari Mini Golf
Block
Block Block
Cosmic Chasm
Imola Grand Prix
Kick
Kick man
Lady Frog
Mahjong Block Jongbou
Moonwar
Paddle 2
Quester
Razzmatazz
Riddle Of Pythagoras
Street Heat
Tac/Scan
Tempest
Tournamment Arkanoid
Vs. Host Smash

With Tempest & Arkanoid the only games ive heard of, but then i noticed it has listed Gyruss, so what other games has it missed and why??

[u_rebelscum]

...With Tempest & Arkanoid the only games ive heard of, but then i noticed it has listed Gyruss, so what other games has it missed and why??

It'll miss games like Ikari that used a rotary joystick, but can be played with joystick + spinner.  They'll miss because mame uses mame's "newest" input type called "positional" that was added to cover not-quite-spinners (like 12 direction rotaries), and not-quite-analog sticks.  Last I checked, listxml doesn't output this type, yet.

...The biggest problem is that MAME typically describes trackball games as joy8way, so there is going to be a lot of missing entries if controls.dat hasn't described them properly....

Any examples of these TB games mame lists as 8ways?

[NOP]

May be wrong but didn't the Lemmings arcade prototype support a trackball?  If so, I wonder why it didn't appear in the list?

Lemmings prototype isn't there because it's horizontal.
The controls info does say trackball though, so you're correct.

...The biggest problem is that MAME typically describes trackball games as joy8way, so there is going to be a lot of missing entries if controls.dat hasn't described them properly....

Any examples of these TB games mame lists as 8ways?

well, now that I've been called on it, I can't find any.   

It does list both joy8way and trackball on both cent and millipede though, and joy8way is the first control listed, so I likely saw that and then made my bold and completely unsupported claim.  heh, sorry.

It does seem to me that the default MAME entry for most games is 8way stick, even if it's actually something different.

Anyway, you have to be careful in romlister to put sticks in "don't care" mode and not NOT mode, or those will get skipped over, since romlister will be looking for things that say trackball and don't say "joy8way" in their descriptions.

With Tempest & Arkanoid the only games ive heard of, but then i noticed it has listed Gyruss, so what other games has it missed and why??

Gyruss is listed as joy8way and not spinner, so it shouldn't have come up in your list (and I didn't see it in your list-is that a typo?)

[lettuce]

Yeah i mean isNT not 'is' in my list. I always thought Gyruss was a spinner based game, and i thought centipede and millipede where trackbakk only?

[NOP]

yeah, that's what's so wonky about a lot of mame's xml entries.  it's like the developer of the driver either forgets, doesn't know, or doesn't care, that the description for that rom seems to default to joy8way, even if the game really is trackball or 4way or whatever.  I think the frustration behind that oversight is how controls.dat came into existence, and now the frustration of controls.dat is that it's waaaay behind in describing everything that MAME supports.

Gyruss most certainly should have been a spinner game, and there was a patch/video of getting it converted over to a spinner, along with time pilot and some other games IIRC.  There's a thread around here somewhere about that-check the software section.

[Level42]

Hmm, Well according to Romlister there doesnt seem to be too many vertical games that have a spinner as a control method:

Arkanoid
Arkanoid Revenge Of Doh
Arm Champs II
Atari Mini Golf
Block
Block Block
Cosmic Chasm
Imola Grand Prix
Kick
Kick man
Lady Frog
Mahjong Block Jongbou
Moonwar
Paddle 2
Quester
Razzmatazz
Riddle Of Pythagoras
Street Heat
Tac/Scan
Tempest
Tournamment Arkanoid
Vs. Host Smash

With Tempest & Arkanoid the only games ive heard of, but then i noticed it has listed Gyruss, so what other games has it missed and why??

Kick (man) has a trackball that can only be rolled left or right. Wouldn't call that a spinner (although the effect is the same of course).

[u_rebelscum]

...The biggest problem is that MAME typically describes trackball games as joy8way, so there is going to be a lot of missing entries if controls.dat hasn't described them properly....

Any examples of these TB games mame lists as 8ways?

well, now that I've been called on it, I can't find any.   

It does list both joy8way and trackball on both cent and millipede though, and joy8way is the first control listed, so I likely saw that and then made my bold and completely unsupported claim.  heh, sorry.

It does seem to me that the default MAME entry for most games is 8way stick, even if it's actually something different.

Maybe you're thinking about MAWS showing joy8way instead of TB for games with both?  MAWS currently only shows one input type per game.  There's an "order" to the inputs, and MAWS shows the first type a game has, and joy8way comes "before" TBs.

As for game listed as having both when they don't, there can three reasons:

• The driver has a hack so 8-ways can work, and the hack requires a separate joy8way
• The game had a dipswitch to switch between TB & joy8way.  Mame has to have both inputs for the dipswitch to work, and doesn't have a way to show "this or that input".
• The driver isn't "clean" in it's input definition, and doesn't remove the joy8way when it should.

Sadly, the last is the most common ATM AFAIK.  Luckly, Fabio Priuli has been cleaning this up over the last few versions, so it's becoming less common.
The first is one of those nice evils, that helps most people (as many more have joysticks than TBs) but add to the confusion in some cases like here.
The middle one is pretty rare, but with romlister found a few (kickoff, krzybowl, eaglshot, vbowl, borntofi) with such dipswitches (and in same query, another one, cabal joystick version, that doesn't have a TB input, but a dipswitch that includes the word "trackball").