how to power an arcade monitor

[Petesie]

im a total newbe.  i bought a gutted mortal kombat 2 machine a few weeks ago to convert to mame.  the machine was gutted as i said but everything that  was taken out was left lying in the base.

how do i wire up the monitor to the power supply???

[grantspain]

first thing you need to do is correctly identify your monitor make/model because some monitors require certain input voltages to work
for instance if you connect a nanao ms8 direct to the mains it will blow up as it needs an isolation transformer to run correctly
if you connect a hantarex polo1 to direct mains it will run perfectly

if you cannot id your monitor then provide some photos for us to id it

[fa001]

The Real Bob Roberts site has this article http://therealbobroberts.net/acwiring.html
It should be a starting point for you.

[Petesie]

thx for ur help folks.  i will get the model number for tou and also have a read later at bobs site.

quick response - excellant .

speak soon

peter

[Petesie]

sry 4got to add - all wiring and power supply is in the machine - i just need to know how to wire up please

[grantspain]

you will need to get a basic multimeter so you can check the voltages and earth,even now i never plug things in after rewiring without checking the voltages

what are you going to do with this cab,mame or jamma?

[Petesie]

im going to mame it hopefully!!!!!!!!
i was given a pc, monitor,speakers, keyboard and mouse free from a good mate. it was lying in a plastic crate in his boat shed so he said some1 should put it to use.  he didnt thik it still worked but goes 100%. its running windows 98 2nd edition so i think that means made in 1999 - has 8.4 gb hard drive,  should b enough for the games i want, not really into the new stuff, more sf2, golf greats, kung fu, pac land etc. i bought 2 new joysticks, ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- loads of buttons, cherry switches and a fully wired i-pac so just clip and play i hope.  Andy at gremlin solutions has put up with a lot of phone calls  lolol but top bloke - would def buy from again cause he doesnt ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- the answers he gives and if he doesnt know he will say.
the cab is in 95% new condition so  a few scrapes and scuffs but nowt that cant b fixed. full workin coin mech, marquee which looks like new for something made 15 years ago roughly. ive put the extra 6th button in for each player, coin button for each player, pin ball buttons/flippers on each side and 4 admin on the front of the control panel.  all buttons have been wired to ipac with a mates help. more fiddly than difficult even for 2 novices.  i have all my emulators and roms on my laptop so just a case of transfering onto disc and then loaded onto desktop.

i dont wanna replace my lovely 25 inch arcade monitor with a 17 inch pc 1 - that would kinda defeat the purpose and look daft in my cab so really the $64,000 question is how do i wire my monitor to my power supply and that to my pc, marque, speakers etc, by the way there r orig speakers in the cab as well as pc speakers. pc 1s r just a plug in so do i wire cab 1s to the power supply?

its been kinda not 2 difficult upto now - i just dunno were to start to wire this baby up. i have learned alot off the net over the last 3 months of surfin everything but cant seem to find step by step stuff on this part so donald ducked now. i will get the model of the monitor --tomorrow is too many letters to type so instead I'll just say the day after today-- nite - mate came round with a nice bag of weed, u no how things can hit the backburner for a day or 2  hehe.  And mayb  few pics 2 show u were im at would prop help 150%

any thoughs or sites or pics wold b a great help and thanks for ur help and interest

peter

[KDOG]

Here is all you need to get power to your monitor if requires an isolation transformer.  Read everything but the part about the switching power supply which you don't need since you are using a PC.
http://homearcade.org/BBBB/acwiring.html
Also if you don't need a the iso  transformer for your monitor you would just need to attach the cord the monitors board if one wasn't supplied.

Then get a surge protector and this from sears.
Here

[Petesie]

thx for the info KDOG - were gettin there i think with the info.  havent seen that site --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type--.  i think i have all the bits in the picture bar the piece in the middle of the board. in work at mo so when i get home i will take pics of everyhting and post, therefore we can all c were im at and how to best proceed.

peter

[Petesie]

had a look at that switch - sry, forgot to say im in IRELAND so i take it thats USA plug connectors??

looks a great bit of kit

[Petesie]

just bought a multi meter from ebay for £4.39 - BARGAIN.

USEFUL BIT OF KIT I SAY AT THAT PRICE

[Petesie]

right i went to my garage to check the monitor - here goes!!!!!!

it a HANTAREX Mod.: Polo 25''        220-240 Vac        50-60Hz 0.9A    IMQ N.V3373

HAVE I READ THIS IS A PLUG IN JOB - HERES HOPING

ALL IDEAS WELCOME

I HAVE LOADS OF PHOTOS - NO IDEA HOW TO PUT ALONG WITH THIS - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grantspain]

well nice and easy for you,this monitor can plug straight to the wall socket.
it is better for this to go through a main filter first(which i expect your cab has) as this will counter any surges
tbh if you are intending to install a pc then just install an antisurge extension lead and you can then plug the pc and monitor into that
i use www.picoodle.com for uploading my images,its real easy

hantarex polo 1 are a 15khz only monitor(low resolution),to connect this to a pc you will need either a avga card or a vga card that supports low res and use soft 15k

this monitor should not require a video amp

[Petesie]

HAPPY DAYS

CANT UP LOAD PICS- EASY FOR U PAIN FOR ME AND CANT BE BOTHERED TO LEARN TO BE HONEST. IF U PM UR E-MAIL MY WIFE CAN SEND YOU THE WHOLE LOT IN ONE GO SO YOU CAN HOPEFULLY TELL ME WOT I DO AND DONT NEED TO USE

HOW TO I CONNECT A WIRE TO MONITOR AND THEN TO PLUG. THERE ARE CONNECTORS COMING OUT OF THE MONITOR BOARD BUT NO NORMAL COAX CABLE???

I KNOW IM DUMB BY THE WAY.  JUST WANNA B 150% SURE, I KNOW THIS MONITOR IS EXPENSIVE AND IS IN GREAT NICK NO DONT WANNA WRECK IT

[grantspain]

the left hand plug is for the monitor voltage,from left to right its live/earth/neutral 220-240 vac normal european mains voltage

the right hand plug is for the video signal(from the game board or pc),from left to right its vertical sync/horizontal(composite sync)/video ground/blue/green/red

[Petesie]

ok - im looking at it and there already is a blue, green and brown wire already plug in to the board so i will wite that to a plug - Cheers for that.
The green connectror has from left to right - white, blank, black, blue, green, red - wot do i do with these??

[Petesie]

by the way the mains waires - earth inst in plug its earthed to chassis of monitor - is that ok?

[grantspain]

the earth to the chassis is fine on the mains input

the other wires on the green connector have to be connected to whatever system you are using,if you are using a pc with mame then you will connect the pc video card-the easy option is to use a ultimarc avga card and a vga breakout cable
http://www.ultimarc.com/avgainf.html
i was incorrect about one very silly thing on a earlier reply,the horizontal sync is pin 6 not pin 5 of the video input plug

[Petesie]

Does anyone know that this guy is the bomb  lol
will deffinately get those two bits from ultimarc.
so ur saying that the wires in have in the green connector are perfect??

[Petesie]

sorry forgot to say - i dont need this black power box thingy then  lolol
if not its on ebay tomorrow  hehe

[grantspain]

well thats the most simple method of connecting your pc,there are cheaper alternatives but involves installing soft 15k and getting a vga card that supports low res specs-i am not sure how tech you are with pc so thats why i recommend the ultimarc route,also its important to note that andy at ultimarc gives good backup if you get a problem

and yes i am saying that the green connector(video input) is wired perfectly correctly

you should read all the info on the ultimarc site concerning the vga card/breakout cable and the i-pac that you are going to install

black box thingy?sounds like a switch mode power supply,if so then you do not need it
any photos yet so i can be sure

[Petesie]

thank god - thought i bought a big project here!!!!
have loads of pics - wife next door at a birthday party with son - im gettin a few hours peace and smoking time so really dont wanna disturb her lolol.

so in a nut shell i need the vga card and wire from andy at ultimarc and a antisurge 4 way adapter and im fully sorted?  ipac already connected up by the way along with all new buttons, cherryswitches and j-sticks etc from andy at gremlin

[Petesie]

i will send u pics today at some stage and u can get back to me when u can.  cheers buddy for all ur help
Simple yet Very Effective. who says these sites arent useful

[Petesie]

these things keep popping in my nugget  after i post  lolol

could i power the monitor on with antisurge to check all ok?

[Petesie]

no i mean without antisurge

[grantspain]

you can power up the monitor,you will hear a static flash and see a orange glow from the neck of the tube-i doubt you will see anything on the screen
if you take anything out like the power supply then make sure you insulate/make safe any bare wires

i bet your cab already has a mains filter which acts like an antisurge anyway
mains filter look like this and are connected right where the power lead enters the cab

[Petesie]

nowt on screen as u say but very faint buzz in siund so assume all ok.

were the mains enter the cab there is a metal bracket that when door closed presses a switch down.  also there is an on/off switch.
where the wire enters on the back of panel s a small silver box(matchbox size) with 3 prongs on it?

[Petesie]

should i cut of plug from anti surge and connec t to these 3 prongs via connectors like on the buttons??

[grantspain]

to be perfectly honest i would not change any of the power wiring in your cab,it will be wired to high european standards
this make it real easy for you to connect the pc as all you will need to do is join the power supply mains wire to a kettle lead using connector strip
you don't really need the anti surge stuff,if you want to install it then fine but unless you have serious power surges and tropical storms in your part of Ireland then i doubt its needed

[Petesie]

im confusing myself - i mean cut plug of standard 4 way gang and attach cable to 3 prongs and the to surge protector??

[Petesie]

the cab came with a 5 foot mains cable attached. i have a 4 way gang here with connectors so just cut the plug of 4 gang and attach to 3 pins on back of mains input??

[Petesie]

is it poss to take the plastic covers of the croc clips without busting them??

[grantspain]

yeah you can do that,just make sure you use insulated spade terminals if you connect to the door switch,otherwise just use some connector block and connect the 4 way to the ac wires of the power supply
the power supply is not needed so if you disconnect the 2 ac and the earth wires you can join them to the 4 way(you must use something like connector block or a junction box of some kind)

what croc clips???

[Petesie]

lost u there matey.

i assume i will - - - - - connect monitor plug, marquee, pc etc to a 4 way adapter in the cab.  i will cut the plug of and attach 3 metal clips like the  ones in an ipac etc. attach these 3 clips to the surge with the 3 prongs thats attached to the mains outlet at bottom of cab. then the kettle lead as u call it to the mains.  when i want it all on just flick the mains switch.

is all that right??

[Petesie]

my only small issue i have then is wot do i connect speaker wires to,  pc ones prob just wont b the same.

[grantspain]

bloody hell you ask a lot of questions very quickly
always take the nice,simple options-do not change any of the wiring for the marquee/monitor/door switch and on off switch,leave it as it is
just connect the 4 way to the power supply ac wiring using a connector block


you will need either pc powered speakers or a small amplifier

[Petesie]

nice diagram!!!
will  get an amp for the speakers cause they r hugh - terrible to waste them.

im a newbe - i think ur forgettin  lolol

u want me to use the black power supply now.  would my way work and would it be easier???

plugs and the like would b my limit - ur taking bout using stuff ive no idea about although i think i have here wot ur talking bout.

its in the pics- nim gonna get the wife in a minute

its a small metal thing with 5 plastic plugs on it and 5 screws for earthing i assume - do i use this??

[grantspain]

no you are gonna get rid of the power supply and just utilise the ac wiring that it has and join it to the 4 way
by doing it this way you do not have to make any changes whatsoever except removing the old power supply which is no longer needed
if you start moving loads of wires,as in your idea,you may find that the cab could be become unsafe and as you are a noob you really want to take the easy,safe option

[Petesie]

so in a newbe sentence - - - - connect monitor plug, marguee pug and pc plug to a 4 way extension and then plug into the wall.

[grantspain]

so in a newbe sentence - - - - connect monitor plug, marguee pug and pc plug to a 4 way extension and then plug into the wall.

no
leave all the wiring as it is and just connect the 4 way extension cable to the power supply ac cable
its a 2 second job,