Wells Gardner D9400 Flat Screen

[deadsoulz]

I just got one, and I got to say I am impressed so far.  Very nice image quality and works well (only a few weeks into it though)  Looks much nicer than the 33" Wells we have at work and the 27" Vision Pro as well.

[Ummon]

Sounds good. Could be a come-back for WG.

[grantspain]

one of the large u.k suppliers has just sanctioned the d9400 as the site testing proved positive

[ahofle]

I'm almost tempted to buy one to replace my squishy Betson before they are discontinued and we are left with nothing!

[DJ Infinity]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=81948.0 

they suck buy a Nieman

[ahofle]

I would if he sold a digital multisync.  I don't want to have to adjust my screen geometry every time I play a different game.

Also, no offense, but I wouldn't exactly conclude that the D9400 sucks just because you couldn't figure out how to get it to work with a certain type of arcade board.  In fact, if you lived closer I would happily take it off your hands.

[DJ Infinity]

actually there shouldn't have to be any figuring out how to do anything. I ought to be able to wire up a JAMMA harness and plug in any board and it should display. That's my story and I am sticking to it. My Nieman doesn't have this problem at all. I don't mind the adjustment. It isn't rocket science. But having to "figure out" how to get a board to run on a brand new monitor is totally unacceptable to me sorry. 

[Ummon]

actually there shouldn't have to be any figuring out how to do anything. I ought to be able to wire up a JAMMA harness and plug in any board and it should display.

Your situation isn't a Mame one, which is what most here are interested in a multisync for.

[DJ Infinity]

Why would you need a trisynch for Mame? makes no sense to me at all. I used a 27in Monivision VGA for Mame. 

[ahofle]

Why would you need a trisynch for Mame? makes no sense to me at all. I used a 27in Monivision VGA for Mame. 

Off the top of my head:

Mid-res games (Super Sprint, Paperboy, 720, Bonanza Bros, Virtua Racing, etc)
Vertical games of 288 lines or more (ie without monitor rotation)
VGA/games run at 480 lines (Spy Hunter, Tron, Tapper, Rampage, etc)

You can also run interlaced 1024x768 with a trisync for PC games.

[DJ Infinity]

It still doesn't make sense to me  Mame and the like run off of computers. Get a high res VGA and be done. There is no need to have a Trisynch if all you are going to be doing is running Mame & PC gamez. Call me slow on the take but that is how I see it. 

[ahofle]

It still doesn't make sense to me  Mame and the like run off of computers. Get a high res VGA and be done. There is no need to have a Trisynch if all you are going to be doing is running Mame & PC gamez. Call me slow on the take but that is how I see it. 

They run off computers, but they can still generate the same low res CGA output.  On an arcade monitor it looks just about exactly like a real board.  On a high res display, there is scaling and other 'modifications' to the image that take away from the authenticity (IMO).  If you don't want the games to look like the real thing, then I agree that there is no point in getting a tri-sync (or any arcade monitor for that matter).

[TOK]

It still doesn't make sense to me  Mame and the like run off of computers. Get a high res VGA and be done. There is no need to have a Trisynch if all you are going to be doing is running Mame & PC gamez. Call me slow on the take but that is how I see it. 

I originally bought into that stuff about MAME not being "like the real thing", even though most of the games seemed the same as I remembered. I heard that line over and over and eventually starting buying some "real" games again.
It came as no great surprise to me that 90% of the games in MAME were exactly like the real thing... The main difference is the display.

Put those MAME games on an arcade monitor, a huge percentage of the people saying that MAME isn't the same couldn't tell them apart. Thats probably why many people want to run an arcade monitor.

[DJ Infinity]

Thanx for clearing that up you two  I am not a "purist" the boards I bought either have incomplete emulation or take a killer PC to run. When I do go back to using Mame I will invest in a JPAC.   

[Ummon]

Emulation accuracy seems to be slightly different than real-time play accuracy - hence why some Mame builds have gone off on their own in driver developmennt. In my own experience of some games, there have slight differences in actual play - Mame vs boards. But it's more a difference than one being better than the other. And sometimes, it seems running native closes the gap. Of course, for me it's the look a multisync or standard res arcade monitor provides.

[isucamper]

newb question:

what's the difference betweena "tri-sync" and a "multi-sync" monitor?

[grantspain]

newb question:

what's the difference betweena "tri-sync" and a "multi-sync" monitor?

not one really depends on which frequencies are supported,for example tri sync will be 15/25/31khz and another multisync maybe 15/25/31/38khz support
normally you find they are both the same

[Ummon]

Right. Basically, a tri-sync does three different modes. Though it can be various kinds, generally a 'tri-sync' is considered one that does 15/25/31khz. A multisync is a monitor that can do more than one mode, but often does three or more.

[Silver]

Right. Basically, a tri-sync does three different modes. Though it can be various kinds, generally a 'tri-sync' is considered one that does 15/25/31khz. A multisync is a monitor that can do more than one mode, but often does three or more.

It's worth pointing out - as a word of caution - that 99% of PC monitors are advertised as "multisync"(they are - they can sync to a huge range of frequencies) but most of these will not go below 31Khz (VGA).

In this context - discussions about 15/25/31Khz arcade games - multisync is often taken to mean it does all three. In standard PC land, multisync just means multisync - "more than one sync" - and won't work as a lo-res monitor.

[retrometro]

It still doesn't make sense to me  Mame and the like run off of computers. Get a high res VGA and be done. There is no need to have a Trisynch if all you are going to be doing is running Mame & PC gamez. Call me slow on the take but that is how I see it. 

I originally bought into that stuff about MAME not being "like the real thing", even though most of the games seemed the same as I remembered. I heard that line over and over and eventually starting buying some "real" games again.
It came as no great surprise to me that 90% of the games in MAME were exactly like the real thing... The main difference is the display.

Put those MAME games on an arcade monitor, a huge percentage of the people saying that MAME isn't the same couldn't tell them apart. Thats probably why many people want to run an arcade monitor.

It's much easier to see the difference when they're side by side.  Check the photos below to see the difference between native resolution on an arcade CRT, VGA/scaled at 800x600 on the same arcade CRT, and then finally scaled to around 1280x1024 and higher on an LCD.  They're not screen captures.  MAME was paused and photos taken directly off the CRT and LCD.

There's also a topic link with people writing about it on page 19.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66402.msg858277#msg858277

What you prefer is your choice but there is definitely a clear difference (no pun intended).

[Ummon]

It's worth pointing out - as a word of caution - that 99% of PC monitors are advertised as "multisync"(they are - they can sync to a huge range of frequencies) but most of these will not go below 31Khz (VGA).

In this context - discussions about 15/25/31Khz arcade games - multisync is often taken to mean it does all three. In standard PC land, multisync just means multisync - "more than one sync" - and won't work as a lo-res monitor.

Yep. That's why it's helpful to know all this stuff and not throw definitions around loosely like many do.

[What you prefer is your choice but there is definitely a clear difference (no pun intended).

The really important part, I think, is to play each one for a spell. Seeing each example is good for basic information, but for a newbie or someone not totally hardcore authentic, it can be a head trip comparing them by picuture. Myself, I go through phases. Sometimes I prefer native, sometimes something else. So I have three Mames set up in MaLa - native, scaled, and current release (mainly because, though there are new things, there are a few broken games, too).

[retrometro]

[What you prefer is your choice but there is definitely a clear difference (no pun intended).

The really important part, I think, is to play each one for a spell. Seeing each example is good for basic information, but for a newbie or someone not totally hardcore authentic, it can be a head trip comparing them by picuture.

Man, the guy I sold my last mame cabinet to.... he learned about my cab and the existence of mame and other console emulators on the same day.  I swear his head was about to explode.  He asked how come the cabinet wasn't huge for having so many games in it...

[DJ Infinity]

  That is priceless

[Ummon]

Pretty funny.