Marvel vs Capcom 2

[vidmouse]

Been itching to play this game ever since I heard about it...
wondering what the best way to bring it home is...?
I hear the Naomi emulator is being worked on but is
nowhere near ready yet, but this game has been ported
to Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox (others?)

What version is best, as I have none of those systems?
I'm not discounting the possibility of getting a dedicated cab
for this..

[lanman31337]

In my arcade machine I have a dreamcast emulator that plays my game disk.  I was able to use a saved file from the internet to unlock all the characters, or you can spend the time and earn the points normally.  On my machine game play and sound are just about flawless.  I use NullDC.

[vidmouse]

Thanks, hadn't thought of that.
How beefy of a PC do you need for "flawless"?

[Ginsu Victim]

I have an AMD X2 +3800 (dual core 2.0 Ghz), 1 gig ram, and a PCI-e ATI Radeon X1650 512MB and it runs great (that game in particular). That's still pretty beefy, but not by today's standards.

[HaRuMaN]

The Dreamcast port is very good... plus you can pick up a DC for pretty cheap nowadays... like $20.  Also, DC controllers are pretty simple to hack, so you can BYOAC for them.

[Kajoq]

DC version is definitely the way to go.  The Xbox and PS2 ports were kind of mediocre.

Emulated DC version is pretty much flawless so long as you have a dual core and a decent video card.

ITS MARVEL BABY!!

[vidmouse]

DC version is definitely the way to go.  The Xbox and PS2 ports were kind of mediocre.

Ok.  Thanks, all.

Emulated DC version is pretty much flawless

Cool and cooler.

so long as you have a dual core and a decent video card.

Ummm.... hmm, this I will probably have to shell out for,
as I'm running stuff on wayyyy old machines.

I have an AMD X2 +3800 (dual core 2.0 Ghz), 1 gig ram, and a PCI-e ATI Radeon X1650 512MB and it runs great (that game in particular). That's still pretty beefy, but not by today's standards.

Time to shop...

Thanks guys, I got the NullDC emulator working on my laptop which
is the only dual core machine I have right now.  I think I did play around
w/ this once, but never got past the plug-in for the controller (what,
I need to actually READ the readme file?   ) .  I got it working this
morning and will probably find a way to incorporate it into my new cab
or old cab after replacing the PC.

Now lookin' for dual core deals....

[Kajoq]

While we're on the topic of Marvel.... I think this video needs to get posted:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=sZZUMjoxfZA[/youtube]

[massive88]

NullDC opens you up to a world of great games.

Guilty Gear X, Soul Calibur, Capcom Vs SNK 2...

Man the dreamcast ruled.

You dont need an overpowered system to play NullDC well.  I was running Soul Calibur at full speed with an overclocked Athlon XP 1700 and an older Radeon AiW.  MvC2 ran much faster than full speed if I remember right.

So while a really old PC may not cut it, I dont think you need a beast either.  Once you get familiar with the program try it out of a few machines to gauge what you will need.  A dual core is definitely not required.

[Ginsu Victim]

yeah, I had to use a sound sync feature, because mine ran WAAAAAY too fast. Sonic Adv was so fast I couldn't play it.

[lanman31337]

I run an amd 4800+ oc'd to 2.8 ghz, 2 gigs of ram, and a 7800gt 256 meg vid card.  Both 320 gig drives are SATA as well.

[Jdurg]

NullDC does have some graphical issues with MvC2, however.  Some buggy sprites and unemulated graphics.  So I'd say it's about 95% perfect.

[vidmouse]

Feel free to laugh... I'm running a 1.8Ghz P4 in my cab PC at home... was a hand-me down from a friend... and that's the FASTEST PC I've got!  (outside of my
Core Duo laptop, which I can't use for a cab).

I've been doing a bit of quick browsing, on dealnews I saw a bundle for $212, was an AMD Sempron 2.2 Ghz, 1GB Ram, 160HD.  Normally I would avoid the lower-end brands like Sempon and Celeron but I wonder if it could take it?

Also been looking at the plethora of DC goodness I've been missing... can't believe I didn't get around to this before now.  Ikaruga?  Can't wait.

Anyone get NullDC to work with Mala?  I'm having some issues w/ the command line syntax.

[massive88]

Feel free to laugh... I'm running a 1.8Ghz P4 in my cab PC at home... was a hand-me down from a friend... and that's the FASTEST PC I've got!  (outside of my
Core Duo laptop, which I can't use for a cab).

Try it out, you should be able to get MvC2 full speed on that.  Soul Calibur might be tough though.

See here for syntax help.

Its my reply for mamewah, but it should give you the information you need to get it going in Mala as well.

[Ginsu Victim]

Feel free to laugh... I'm running a 1.8Ghz P4 in my cab PC at home

I'm not laughing.

My cab:
Pentium III 733 Mhz
384 MB RAM
Voodoo³ 32 MB PCI (upgrading this week to ATI Radeon 7000 64 MB PCI)
250 GB hard drive

[vidmouse]

Don't tell me you can run the Dreamcast emulator with that??
(would be great if so!)

On a related note, what are peeple's favorite DC games?

[Ginsu Victim]

Don't tell me you can run the Dreamcast emulator with that??
(would be great if so!)

On a related note, what are peeple's favorite DC games?

Heck no. I only run it on my main PC. (Specs listed above)

When I get a better PC in my cab, I will definitely run NullDC.

As for favorite games, there are plenty, though not all of them are the best for cabs:

(Pay no attention to the tags after them...)

18 Wheeler: American Pro Trucker (JP, SB)
Armada (US, BC, No CDDA)
Bangai-O (US, SB)
Border Down (JP, SB)
Cannon Spike (US, SB)
Capcom vs SNK (US, SB)
Capcom vs SNK Pro (JP, SB)
Capcom vs SNK 2 (JP, SB)
Coaster Works (US, SB)
Confidential Mission (US, SB)
Crazy Taxi (PAL, SB)
Crazy Taxi 2 (JP, SB)
Daytona USA (US, SB)
Dead or Alive 2 (US, BC)
Dead or Alive 2 Limited Edition (JP, SB)
Dino Crisis (US, SB)
Dream Stud!o: 3D Adventure Maker (JP, SB)
Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future (US, GD)
Expendable (US, BC)
F355 Challenge (JP, SB)
Fatal Fury: Mark of the Wolves (US, SB)
Fighting Vipers 2 (JP, SB)
Fire Pro Wrestling D (JP, SB)
Fur Fighters (US, SB)
Giant Gram 2000 (JP, SB, All JPan Pro Wrestling 3)
Gigawing 2 (US, SB)
Grand Theft Auto 2 (US, SB)
Guilty Gear X (US, SB)
Gunbird 2 (US, SB)
Half-Life Gold *BETA* (US, SB)
The House of the Dead 2 (US, SB)
Hydro Thunder (PAL, SB)
Ikaruga (JP, SB)
Illbleed (US, SB)
Jet Set Radio (JP, SB)
Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventure (US, SB)
The King of Fighters 1999 Dream Match (US, GD, No VGA)
The King of Fighters 1999 Evolution (JP, BC, No VGA)
The King of Fighters 2000 (JP, SB, Fixed)
The King of Fighters 2001 (JP, SB)
The King of Fighters 2002 (JP, SB)
The Last Blade 2 (US, SB)
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver (US, SB)
Maken X (US, SB)
Marvel vs Capcom (US, SB)
Marvel vs Capcom 2 (US, SB)
Metropolis Street Racer (PAL, SB)
Midway Arcade's Greatest Hits Volume One (US, SB)
Mr. Driller (US, SB, CDDA ripped)
NBA Hoopz (US, SB)
NBA2k1 (US, SB)
NCAA College Footbal 2k2 (US, SB)
NFL2k1 (US, GD)
NHL2k2 (US, SB)
Namco Museum (US, SB)
New Japan Pro Wrestling: Toukon Retsuden 4 (JP, BC)
Ooga Booga (US, SB)
Phantasy Star Online (US, SB)
Power Stone (US, GD)
Power Stone 2 (PAL, SB)
Propeller Arena (US, SB - Unreleased Final!)
Quake (US, SB, Titanium Studios leak *unofficial*)
Quake III Arena (US, SB)
Rayman 2: The Great Escape (US, SB)
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing (US, SB)
Resident Evil 2 (US, GD)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (US, SB)
Resident Evil - Code: Veronica (US, SB, 2 Discs)
Rival Schools 2: Project Justice (PAL, SB)
Samba De Amigo (US, SB)
Sega Bass Fishing (US, SB)
Sega GT (JP, SB)
Sega Rally 2 (US, SB)
Sega Smash Pack Vol 1 (US, SB, 10 Genesis titles PLUS Virtua Cop 2)
Shenmue (US, GD)
Shenmue II (PAL, GD)
Silent Scope (JP, SB)
Skies of Arcadia (US, GD, 2 Discs)
Soldier of Fortune (US, SB, 2 Discs)
Sonic Adventure (US, SB)
Sonic Adventure 2 (US, SB)
Soul Calibur (US, GD)
Soul Calibur (PAL, SB)
Spawn: In the Demon's Hand (JP, SB)
Spider-Man (US, SB)
Star Wars: Episode I Jedi Power Battles (US, SB)
Star Wars: Episode I Racer (US, GD)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (US, SB, Loading Problems)
Street Fighter III: Double Impact (US, SB)
Street Fighter III: Third Strike (US, SB)
Striker Pro 2000 (US, SB)
Super Street Fighter 2x (JP, SB)
Sword of the Berserk: Guts' Rage (US, SB)
Test Drive Le Mans (US, SB)
Tokyo Bus Guide (JP, BC)
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (US, SB)
The Typing of the Dead (US, SB)
Ultimate Fighting Championship (US, SB)
Unreal Tournament (US, SB)
Vampire Chronicle for Matching Service (JP, SB)
Virtua Athlete 2k (JP, BC)
Virtua Fighter 3tb (US, SB)
Virtua Tennis (PAL, SB)
Virtua Tennis 2k2 (US, SB)
Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram (US, BC, No VGA)
Worms World Party (US, GD)
WWF Royal Rumble (US, SB)

[DeLuSioNal29]

I was once running a AMD Athlon X2 (dual core) 4000+ that I bought (case, 2gb of ram and integrated vid included) for under $200 at Tigerdirect.com.  It ran the NullDC emu perfectly.

I already had a hard drive so I didn't buy one with the system, but you can find them for under $50 nowadays for a decent size.

Sounds cheap to me.

As far as the Sempron, Duron, etc... stick with Athlon if you can.

~ DeLuSioNaL

[Ginsu Victim]

I buy damn near everything at Tigerdirect.

[vidmouse]

Coaster Works (US, SB)

Heh.... I saw a Dreamcast on sale on ebay that included this game...
I swear I thought the seller meant that the disc itself was so bad
it was a "coaster"....  now I realize what he meant by saying
"Even the Coaster works!"

 

I buy from Tiger too, just didn't see THAT good a sale on a quick
browse today.  Of course, if I put it in my cab, i could forego the
case but that's not the pricey point anyway.

[Tadao]

In my cpu dedicated for classic games (mame, nintendo, sega) runs great. Pentium Dual core 2,0 GHZ run full speed, with only a minors graphics glitchs in some games.  The   ports of dreamcast are the best, because naomi is in escence a dreamcast.

You can configure NullDC with a front end and the results are great.



Regards

[vidmouse]

See here for syntax help.

Its my reply for mamewah, but it should give you the information you need to get it going in Mala as well.

Thanks.  This is what I had to use to get it to work in Mala:

-config ImageReader:DefaultImage="%path%\%rom%.%ext%"

(under execution options)

and I have to use Alt-F4 to exit NullDC and go back to Mala.
(changeable in Mala?)

[vidmouse]

Uh-oh, hit a snag... just tried loading nullDC onto my cab.
After a few pesky dll missing messages (fixed now that I've
copied them over), I get the nullDC window to pop up, but
when I try to load a cdi image, it crashes out completely.
I think there are some error messages but the whole thing crashes
too fast for me to read or save them.

Wondering if it might be my video card in my cab?
I'm running w/ a Diamond Multimedia ViperII Z200 card
in my cab (32mb?) s-video'd to a regular tv.

Any help here?

[ivwshane]

I'm not positive but doesn't nulldc require a directx 9 compatible card?

[vidmouse]

Yeah, you're probably right, that's why I thought it was my vid card.
I tried it on my desktop w/ a monitor and beefier card and it seems
to work, albeit VERRRRY slow (my desktop is a 1.05 Ghz Athlon).

Ugh, now I'm considering swapping the cards in my cab vs my
desktop... heh, maybe I'll get some free time on Father's Day
for my gift. 

[DJ Infinity]

I suggest buying a NAOMI and wiring your controls to JAMMA  I have two setups of this game. One downstairs on a cab and one up on my LCD using my deskmame setup.

[Timstuff]

With all this talk of Naomi classics playable through NullDC, let's not forget this gem...



NullDC is awesome, but unfortunately the only computer in my house that runs it at full speed is my brother's Macbook Pro, since both my main computer (2.66 GHz pentium 4) and my arcade computer (2.0 GHz ADM Athelon) are too slow, both being single-core. At some point I'll have to build a beefier PC to put in my cab that can run NullDC at full speed, but that probably won't be for a while, since this project has run up quite a bill as it is... But at least I can give my current arcade PC a new life inside a cocktail cab or something in the future.

[vidmouse]

You dont need an overpowered system to play NullDC well.  I was running Soul Calibur at full speed with an overclocked Athlon XP 1700 and an older Radeon AiW.  MvC2 ran much faster than full speed if I remember right.

So while a really old PC may not cut it, I dont think you need a beast either.  Once you get familiar with the program try it out of a few machines to gauge what you will need.  A dual core is definitely not required.

I was once running a AMD Athlon X2 (dual core) 4000+ that I bought (case, 2gb of ram and integrated vid included) for under $200 at Tigerdirect.com.  It ran the NullDC emu perfectly.

In my cpu dedicated for classic games (mame, nintendo, sega) runs great. Pentium Dual core 2,0 GHZ run full speed, with only a minors graphics glitchs in some games.

NullDC is awesome, but unfortunately the only computer in my house that runs it at full speed is my brother's Macbook Pro, since both my main computer (2.66 GHz pentium 4) and my arcade computer (2.0 GHz ADM Athelon) are too slow, both being single-core.

Dual core or Single Core?  1700Ghz, 2000Ghz?  4000Ghz?
 

I didn't get a chance to swap video cards this weekend as I'd hoped...
ended up doing more work on Father's day than most other days, but
at least I did get to pickup a new tv off craigslist for my 4p cab build.

[massive88]

As far as I know, there is zero multithreading in NullDC, which means a dual core doesnt give you any benefit over a single core.

I would think NullDC would work fine on TimStuffs P4, and would like to know what video card he has and what game he was trying to run, and if it was from an image or not.

[Timstuff]

My P4 has a Radeon 9800. I haven't tested my Athelon yet (I plan to soon), but it has a Radeon 9550. The games I tested on my P4 were Soul Calibur, MVC2, and Dead or Alive 2. All of them ran pretty sluggish, at about 20-24 FPS. On my brother's 2.4 GHz Core2 Duo Macbook Pro, Soul Calibur ran so fast I had to enable the framerate regulator, which put it at about 50-60 FPS. I should probably try NullDC on my Athelon, but from what I've seen so far, the dual-core Macbook Pro delivered a superior performance over the single-core P4.

[Timstuff]

I tested NullDC with Soul Calibur on my arcade PC, and it was still significantly slower than what I would say is acceptable for gameplay. I'm starting to think though, maybe the problem isn't CPU speed, but the ammount of RAM I have? Both my computers only have 512 MB of RAM each, whereas my brother's Macbook Pro has about 2GB.

[massive88]

That could be the cultprit, and would make more sense to me.

With NullDC 1.0.6 I was right at 100% speed on my 1700 Athlon on Soul Calibur, and well over on mostly 2d games.  With 1.0.0 I had to overclock my 1700 to get Soul Calibur at full speed, but it was still at like 85% without the OC.

[Timstuff]

Well, I ordered an extra gig of ram to drop into my arcade PC today, so hopefully that gets NullDC running at full speed. It'll be really nice if it turns out that's all I needed!

[vidmouse]

Well, I ordered an extra gig of ram to drop into my arcade PC today, so hopefully that gets NullDC running at full speed. It'll be really nice if it turns out that's all I needed!

Please post either way, I'm curious to see if this does it!
My cab and desktop only have 512MB ram each, this might
prompt me to upgrade.

[vidmouse]

I forget, what processor speed were you running in your cab,
and what video card chipset/memory?  (sorry to bring up the
painful subject but it's helping me zero in on what to do)

I swapped some video cards last night...
my desktop is running 1.1 ghz with 512MB of SDRAM
and WAS running w/ a Geforce 6600 64MB video card.

With this config, I can get NullDC to run but MvC2
runs reallllly slowly and is unplayable.

I since put an ATI Rage 128 32 MB video card in it (a spare,
just to keep it running) and installed the Geforce 6600
in my cab:

My cab is running a P4 1.8Ghz with 512 MB DDR ram,
and had a (16?  32?) MB Diamond Viper card in it.
Didn't run Null DC at all.

Since I popped the Geforce in there, I can get Null DC
to run with about 70% FPS on MvC2... playable, but
just barely.  Wonder if additional memory would help boost
it to 90-100% FPS...

I'll save a copy of this in my outbox and if it's alright w/ you,
resurrect the thread w/ both of our data.

Cheers,
Vid

My PC has an AMD Athelon Mobile 2.0 GHz processor, but I have it overclocked to 2.2 GHz. The video card is / was an HIS Radeon 9550 SE w/ 128 MB of video ram, and it has 1.5 GHz of ram. 1.8 Ghz P4 might be too slow to get MVC running full speed, so you may want to consider upgrading. AMD's processors also tend to be faster at gaming applications than Pentium 4s, so a 2.2 GHz AMD CPU is actually closer to the equivelent of a 2.6 GHz Pentium 4.

So basically, if you want MVC2 to run smoothly, you should consider making an upgrade to your PC. However, the good news is that by modern standards, the newer Capcom games for Dreamcast aren't very resource intensive, so the parts you'd need won't cost a lot. However, if you wanted a seriously graphics intense game like Dead or Alive 2 to run at full speed, it will take a much more heavy-duty, modernized rig. I plan on building one of those eventually, but for now I'm just going to focus on getting what I have to work correctly.