Author Topic: Hacking a Dualshock PSOne pad, good 411 (Read 21652 times)

armad1ll0 · « **on:** May 25, 2003, 05:28:55 am »

TAKE NOTE DUDES W/ PLAYSTATION HACKS. This is very good 411!!!!!

Playstation gamepad hacks are pretty easy since they have a common ground.
I suggest the latest Dualshock PSOne by Sony (the white one, series H) You can desolder the digital boards ribbon cable and then solder your 16 wires (very tight solder job, for advanced dudes only!) to where the ribbon cable was. You must wire up a mode button and then you have a stick that can even work for USB, Dreamcast, Gamecube & Xbox with the appropriate adaptors. Email me for where to buy those adaptors.

This is a very straight forward hack, if you have soldering skillz...

Wiring code (top of ribbon, away from the LED)

1 mode change
2 Joy left
3 Joy down
4 Joy right
5 Joy up
6 Start
7 Select
8 L2
9 R2
10 L1
11 R1
12 Tri button
13 O button
14 X button
15 Sqr button
16 Ground

Can't hang? Paypal me $40 and I'll ship you one all wired up and ready to go. Info here is free, labor costs...

Xan · « **Reply #1 on:** May 25, 2003, 05:50:14 am »

good suggestion on the ribbon, but why waste money on a new controller, if you have 3rd party ones you don't use laying around? you don't need the analog sticks or dual shock anyway. Unless you want to get an analog stick or 49 way stick, but that gets expensive and is too much work. You can get adapters at lik-sang.com and at another I can't remember atm, I'll post the link when I remember unless it's against rules to post sites that sell stuff like mod chips.

Babs · « **Reply #2 on:** May 25, 2003, 06:30:32 am »

www.play-asia.com

Good convertors there, beware with PS2> GC and maybe even PS2>Xbox convertors. Some will only work if there are analog sticks present, and when using a Dpad hack most will leave those sticks out. Worth thinking about I believe.

Xan · « **Reply #3 on:** May 25, 2003, 07:01:22 am »

http://www.success-hk.com/pp/success.asp

ah, found it, cool store

ufo psx->gc converter $2.99
blaze psx->pc converter $10, looks exactly like the boom I have, I even use the drivers from these guys

http://www.lik-sang.com/default.php

HAHA, Lik-Sang and Play-Asia have most the same stuff, same prices too

Magic Box 3in1 (PS1/2, DC, Saturn) xbox converter $24.90, kind expensive
Super Joybox 10/11 2/4 xbox controllers->PC $16.90/$19.90
Boom psx->pc $14.90, one I have, works great as long as you're using updated drivers and your games support it, had to patch a couple to get this thing to work with the rumble.
Cube Joybox psx->gc, $9.90
GC 2in1 psx,ps/2(KB)->gc converter, $19.90, guess this is for those Animal Crossing freaks, lol
Skillz Cube gc->pc, $18.90

IMO a lot of those are overpriced, plus there's shipping from HK from any place, I might have to order a couple of those $2.99 ones, need to find a reasonably priced psx->xbox one now

Xan · « **Reply #4 on:** May 25, 2003, 09:37:06 am »

Duh, Boom Dreambox Converter psx->xbox, $14.90, need one of those, I know boom works good too

cleric · « **Reply #5 on:** May 28, 2003, 09:41:10 am »

So We got how many buttons avaibable for mame..

Humm.. 10 buttons rigth in each pad rigth?

Not couting with directional and "mode" buttons.

qaotik · « **Reply #6 on:** May 28, 2003, 01:28:59 pm »

Based on what ive read the PS2 dualshock is probably the best pad to hack but not the easiest so its good that we gather this info here on the board. You get the most buttons for your hack with PSX pads but it needs to be a dualshock since some ps2 games might not identify your controller if analog mode isnt present. And on top of that if you go the easily hackable third party way the adapters might give you problems. So which versions of dualshocks have that solderable pcb?

I have only one that has it and its this old grey PSX Dualshock (G-serie) one. So do these new white PSOne Dualshocks also have pcbs? Since the newest A-models have that unsolderable plastic but with this info of yours you might hack them aswell but only if youre really good since theyre less than 1 mm apart.

cleric · « **Reply #7 on:** May 28, 2003, 01:33:39 pm »

i dont intend to connect the ps2.

I prefer connect to PC and DC. I think this ones dont need analog mode on.

The old psx pad is good enough i think.

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 28, 2003, 04:59:37 pm »

The white dualshocks are series H and they have two boards. The main board has the analog sticks and has a ribbon cable to the digital buttons. From there you can hack into just the ribbon cable. Follow the wire code.... this will give you a stick that has basically unused R3, L3 and analog sticks but it'll be recognized by the adaptors for creating a multi-console stick.

You'll get double row of 4 buttons and two function buttons. 10 total. Drill to your own personal pattern and enjoy.

PS2 Dualshock2 is NOT the best to hack. This one is... because of the ribbon cable, it makes it easier to hack into.

Cleric: yes, if you don't want to use this for Xbox and GC then you can go w/ a digital pad only. But if you ask me... why not build in the forward compatibility?

Note: DC hack dudes, R2, L2 and Select are not used. You should but L1 right below R1 so that you have a Capcom 6 going on. I have a toggle switch that swaps the two positions and back and forth.

Another note: I always prefer 1st part because with all of the extra work, it's just nicer to see "Sony" right on the plug.

Babs · « **Reply #9 on:** May 28, 2003, 07:37:33 pm »

Maybe you can answer a question for me.

I know the dualshock2 pads are a swine to hack, but what about 3rd party ps2 controllers? Is the analog button annoyance still there and are the contacts easier than the coated official pad ones?

Also, does anyone know if using a PS2 > GC adapter, does Z (GC) get mapped to anything?

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 29, 2003, 04:13:18 am »

I'm sure that Z is something but I've not looked into it. I have one here but it's sort of a hassle to get it all and figured out. Kind of busy...

You don't need analog buttons so why start with a PS2 Dualshock2?

at $34 a piece, what a waste... just use a Dualshock at $20. I just gave you the wire code so the Dualshock2 gives you nothing more.... I'm sure you can use a 3rd party but why? It gives you no more funtionality for a stick.

end of subject...

Babs · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2003, 01:21:40 pm »

The reason I asked is because a cheap 3rd party dualshock 2 compatible is much easier to come by over here (UK) than the original Dualshocks. It would also end up being cheaper in all likelihood. It was just a question.

What are 3rd party dualshock compatibles like for hacking in general, I may be able to pick up a couple of those.

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 29, 2003, 02:39:39 pm »

I'm not sure, it's outside of my philosophy so go figure. I always prefer original stuff even though it's so much harder to hack. Maybe that's where I kind of learned more stuff. I did the SNES pads back in 91 for SF2 when I was young... I hand scrapped the contacts with a knife.... now it's all dremel baby!

Dave_K. · « **Reply #13 on:** May 30, 2003, 12:48:58 am »

Quote

You don't need analog buttons so why start with a PS2 Dualshock2? at $34 a piece, what a waste... just use a Dualshock at $20.

Dual Shock 2's are $24.99 new (at least around where I live). Also I don't think the PSOne DS is recognized correctly as an analog controller by all PS2 games. The PS1 DS also doesn't have L3 R3 buttons right?

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 30, 2003, 04:32:11 pm »

All Sony dual shock controllers should work on all PS2 games. They sell for $20 new here in California. R3 and L3 are in the same location, analog sticks down. The only difference with the Dualshock 2 is that all dualshock 2 game buttons are analog, accept for R3 and L3.

I used to work at Sony, trust me. Dualshock 1 controllers are tested TRC before the game is approved.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #15 on:** May 30, 2003, 07:25:28 pm »

Quote from: armad1ll0 on May 25, 2003, 05:28:55 am

You must wire up a mode button and then you have a stick that can even work for USB, Dreamcast, Gamecube & Xbox with the appropriate adaptors.

So this mode button is the button that activates/deactivate the analog sticks? And why would we need to use this when using the USB (or other) converters?

And thanks for the response on the PS1 DS sticks. I was about to hack one of my PS2 DS2 sticks, and may now just go out and buy a used PS1 DS stick.

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 31, 2003, 06:29:18 am »

it's needed in the sense that you may want to turn off the analog mode so that it's not looking for something that's not there. You can force it to digital mode if the game supports it. It really is for compatibility issues that might arise.

NP, got to support this community.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2003, 11:55:20 pm »

Ok, I bought a used PSX DS H-series for $15. I don't see how this is any easier than a PS2 DS2. In fact, the latest PS2 DS2's may even have easier soldering points! I now have all 3, original PS2 DS2, the newest PS2 DS2, and the PSX DS. Both the PSX DS and PS2 DS2 use the same style connector on the PCB (the PSX has the ribbon cable soldered onto it, while the PS2 DS2 has the ribbon cable plugging into a female connector. Both of these require the same amount of skill soldering wise. But, the latest PS2 DS2, has a differently arranged interface. Its still the same small leads, but they are spaced in a staggared design, so it would actually be eaiser to solder to (each solder point has about twice as much room as the other models).

About the only advantage I see with the PSX DS is $5-10 cheaper (depending upon if you can get it used). This is just my assesment.

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 01, 2003, 05:44:44 am »

There is a Digital series H, I believe that you can solder straight to the board with out exposing copper because there are neatly exposed points already.

I recomend the PSOne "white" series H because you can just hack into the ribbon cable for a pretty neat wire job. It's also faster and neater than reading the PCB board to figure out everything, since I gave out the wire code.

You can find them used or new for $20 so that's a benefit. It's more economical than a Sony PS2 pad unless you just need to have the black cable. PS2 pads don't give you any more functions.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #19 on:** June 01, 2003, 01:17:07 pm »

Quote from: armad1ll0 on June 01, 2003, 05:44:44 am

I recomend the PSOne "white" series H because you can just hack into the ribbon cable for a pretty neat wire job.

I believe we are talking about the same thing. I believe any H-series, regardless of color has the same style connection and PCBs).

Can you post a picture of your hack so I can see what this white h series looks like inside, and how fine a solder job is required? Thanks!

cleric · « **Reply #20 on:** June 01, 2003, 06:16:34 pm »

I have one doubt about this..

How u configure the buttons from example

ONE BUTTON MUST
"ESCAPE TO MENU FRONT-END"

Other
"PLayer Start 1"

"Credits"

bla bla..

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 02, 2003, 05:18:14 am »

You should learn to write Mame CTRLR.ini files

taken from my default.ini

START1 "KEYCODE_1 | J1_Button_11"
START2 "KEYCODE_2 | J2_Button_11"
START3 "KEYCODE_3 | J3_Button_11"
START4 "KEYCODE_4 | J4_Button_11"
COIN1 "KEYCODE_5 | J1_Button_8"
COIN2 "KEYCODE_6 | J2_Button_8"
COIN3 "KEYCODE_7 | J3_Button_8"
COIN4 "KEYCODE_8 | J4_Button_8"

where my PSX to USB has select as a direct input "button 9" and start as "button 12"

Taken from the STD.ini is:

UI_CANCEL "KEYCODE_ESC"

Just put a different joystick button on there for the UI_CANCEL line. If you don't get this, either I can't communicate well or you're beyond my help. =)

You can also read up on the MAME documentation.

jjhlk · « **Reply #22 on:** December 05, 2004, 05:59:21 pm »

I bought a Dual Shock2 and then found out that with the analog buttons it wasn't worth attempting. However, there is a particular model that has some sort of wire terminal for the easiest solderless hack ever (assuming you have the perfect gauge of wire). There is more info on that somewhere in the Shoryuken.com forum (A-series pad versus H-series basically).

So I got one of the PSOne Dual Shocks second-hand at EBGames ($15CAD iirc). I tried to solder onto the points, after scraping all that non-sticky stuff off--first time I ever soldered--but I couldn't get the solder to stick to certain points (like X, and Square, where the copper trace is very narrow). Eventually I just cut the ribbon cable from the PCB with contact points. I scraped the plastic from the end to get the exposed wire (very, very thin, solid wire), then cut them apart so I'd have some width to tape my long, thicker wire to. It's a mess, but it works and didn't take too long.

Perhaps Radio Shack sells something that the ribbon would fit nicely into, saving the mess and some of the time.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #23 on:** December 05, 2004, 11:42:07 pm »

The solderless hack was documented here first I believe. Here is the thread by spiffyshoes.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,25469.0.html

Devalis · « **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2005, 11:09:12 pm »

I have a 3rd party PS2 controller and the joysticks are on a separate pcb with a ribbon cable and all that. What I am wondering is how would I go about adapting one of the joysticks for use in the N64 controller?

vanRijn · « **Reply #25 on:** March 28, 2005, 01:24:00 pm »

Hi Armand,

First off, THANKS VERY MUCH for documenting this!!

armad1ll0 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 28, 2005, 03:52:16 pm »

this is what I do,
That's about the best I can help you with. Either you can handle the soldering or it'll be a struggle.

I also charge for the service so that's another way you can get it done.

http://www.geocities.com/armad1ll0/images/Tutorials/Dualshock_H.jpg

albert_c · « **Reply #27 on:** March 28, 2005, 04:57:33 pm »

Scrape the black stuff off the PCB and and wire directly to that. It's easy and solid. Why make it difficult? EB sells original PSone dual shocks for 3.99 Wires don't cost anything. You can do this yourselfs for under 5.00 I've hacked about ten of these.

alundra · « **Reply #28 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:10:28 pm »

ive try both way, they both have the same respond and have no difference..if you have diffcult in soldering, i recommend scrape off the black paint and solder direct into them..unless you want yours to look neat..actually i think the way you did your is way harder than the way armadillo did..

albert_c · « **Reply #29 on:** March 28, 2005, 05:19:28 pm »

Quote from: alundra on March 28, 2005, 05:10:28 pm

ive try both way, they both have the same respond and have no difference..if you have diffcult in soldering, i recommend scrape off the black paint and solder direct into them..unless you want yours to look neat..actually i think the way you did your is way harder than the way armadillo did..

That doesn't make sense? You say it's easy, then you say it's harder...

Scraping off the black stuff is easier. You have much more room to work with. And if you screw up you can scrape off more of the black stuff. I'll post a tutorial later.

alundra · « **Reply #30 on:** March 28, 2005, 06:00:08 pm »

what i meant is soldering by scraping off the black is easy..

this is hard
http://www.geocities.com/armad1ll0/images/Tutorials/Dualshock_H.jpg

and i think the the way vanRijn did is harder than the way how armadillo did in the pic above..

Tritoch84 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 29, 2005, 12:00:47 pm »

This hack is kinda hard, why do this when the solderless hack is so much easier? Solding to the PCB of any other Dual Shock is really easy to, maybe I don't get it.

And PS2 Dual Shocks are not worth hacking, if you can somehow figure out how to hack the analog buttons.

albert_c · « **Reply #32 on:** March 29, 2005, 12:15:53 pm »

The solderless hack is hard because you have to get the perfect gauge wires and it's hard to keep them from moving while putting in the next wire. I tried it and failed. H

Tritoch84 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 30, 2005, 03:14:33 am »

Well then you must be stupid, 26 or 22 gauge wire will work fine.

I'm sorry, but thats just silly. You can double fold 22gauge, or you can use 26gauge with the little ribbon strip thats already in it. I've done it twice without fail.

albert_c · « **Reply #34 on:** March 30, 2005, 01:05:22 pm »

Quote from: Tritoch84 on March 30, 2005, 03:14:33 am

Well then you must be stupid, 26 or 22 gauge wire will work fine.

I'm sorry, but thats just silly. You can double fold 22gauge, or you can use 26gauge with the little ribbon strip thats already in it. I've done it twice without fail.

Stupid like your moms face. Fucken dick...

SNAAKE · « **Reply #35 on:** March 30, 2005, 07:49:58 pm »

Quote from: kage 8 on March 30, 2005, 01:05:22 pm

Quote from: Tritoch84 on March 30, 2005, 03:14:33 am
Well then you must be stupid, 26 or 22 gauge wire will work fine.

I'm sorry, but thats just silly. You can double fold 22gauge, or you can use 26gauge with the little ribbon strip thats already in it. I've done it twice without fail.

Stupid like your moms face.

Tritoch84 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 30, 2005, 08:38:56 pm »

Quote from: SNAAKE on March 30, 2005, 07:49:58 pm

Quote from: kage 8 on March 30, 2005, 01:05:22 pm
Quote from: Tritoch84 on March 30, 2005, 03:14:33 am
Well then you must be stupid, 26 or 22 gauge wire will work fine.

I'm sorry, but thats just silly. You can double fold 22gauge, or you can use 26gauge with the little ribbon strip thats already in it. I've done it twice without fail.

Stupid like your moms face. Fucken dick...

.....

Lets all just go paint some fences, I already know SNAAKE is in.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #37 on:** March 31, 2005, 01:52:36 am »

Cool it guys before this very informative thread gets deleted and sent to post hell! Then nobody will be able to benefit.

Its funny this popped back up, as this weekend I scored 2 used PSOne green seethru dualshocks with the correct connector in the back (series A). I went to Fry's and got the correct gague wire...just have to find the time to try out the solderless hack!

BTW: if you read my conversation with Armad earlier in the thread, I menioned the h-series hack via the ribbon cable. Well I finally got around to doing this on a pair of white h-series pads. The hacked worked, but was probably just as bad a solder job as soldering to the PCB. I used an exacto knife to cut each wire free from the ribbon cable, and then soldered a wire to it. I then used a small amount of electrical tape to wrap the soldered part, and then one more piece of tape to keep it all wrapped up nice and tight. It was not an easy project, but works great and is quite small and compact. I do recommend going to solderless hack route though since its easier.

despat · « **Reply #38 on:** August 14, 2005, 09:24:18 am »

Hi,

I've purchased a DOMINATOR Logic 3 Flightstick which is a PS1 stick build in 1997. I've tried to get it to work with Combat Ace ver 4 and 5, with no luck.

The buttons work in browser mode, but not in the game. The stick also has a switch for Digital and Analog modes, so I don't know what is wrong.

Anyway to hack this to work with the newer PS2 games?

Thanks


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