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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #200 on: February 06, 2008, 11:22:51 pm »
Right, which was a decent move, but this argument would have been over a long time ago if this guy would stop poking the bear. 
I'm confused, do you mean the original poster who hasn't responded since page 3?

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #201 on: February 07, 2008, 01:46:53 am »
Meh, Mame 'em all, Klov be dammed!

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #202 on: February 07, 2008, 11:07:05 am »
Other beautiful classic arcade cabinets will get converted into some mindless fighting game (with apologies to fighting game fans)

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #203 on: February 07, 2008, 11:09:04 am »
Right, which was a decent move, but this argument would have been over a long time ago if this guy would stop poking the bear. 
I'm confused, do you mean the original poster who hasn't responded since page 3?

I think he's referring to another gentleman.

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #204 on: February 16, 2008, 12:06:48 pm »
How would you guys feel about turning a StreetFighter 2 champion into a mame machine?
edit: never mind the one I'm looking at seems to be a conversion.
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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #205 on: February 16, 2008, 12:54:05 pm »
How would you guys feel about turning a StreetFighter 2 champion into a mame machine?
edit: never mind the one I'm looking at seems to be a conversion.

A lot of the posters here are haters on the fighting cabs, but in my mind SF2 CE and MK2 are just as classic as Centipede and DK.  But if it's a conversion cab then it's a moot point.
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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #206 on: February 16, 2008, 01:07:33 pm »
How would you guys feel about turning a StreetFighter 2 champion into a mame machine?
edit: never mind the one I'm looking at seems to be a conversion.

A lot of the posters here are haters on the fighting cabs, but in my mind SF2 CE and MK2 are just as classic as Centipede and DK.  But if it's a conversion cab then it's a moot point.

Being that MOST SF2 cabs are conversions...go for it.  MK is classic... MK2 isn't (IMHO)... just like SF is classic (especially in the "arched" cabs)...where as SFII isn't (again IMHO).

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #207 on: February 16, 2008, 01:28:50 pm »
I don't know if you guys are familiar with this outfit. . . .

http://arcadehollywood.net/401.html

Be sure and browse through their gallery!

I look at this with mixed feelings.  They have produced some really attractive MAME systems, and I can see why some people would shell out for them.  They are meeting a demand.  And one might argue, given the relatively small number of people who collect restored classic machines, some of these are destined to either be reborn as MAME cabinets or rot away in a barn somewhere.

On the other hand. . .  Nobody can say they need to sacrifice a classic game to build a MAME cab.  There are just too many other ways to do it.  I mean, for pity's sake, look here. . .

http://www.arcadeshop.com/cabinets/cabinets.htm


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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #208 on: February 16, 2008, 01:43:09 pm »
On the other hand. . .  Nobody can say they need to sacrifice a classic game to build a MAME cab.  There are just too many other ways to do it.  I mean, for pity's sake, look here. . .

http://www.arcadeshop.com/cabinets/cabinets.htm

I browsed the link and I'm under the impression those are not classic cabs that are gutted, they are brand-new cut cases to match the dimensions/style of the Galaga/Ms. Pac Man Uprights.  I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like. 


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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #209 on: February 16, 2008, 01:47:53 pm »
Dave,

You missed the point.  ArcadeHollywood is gutting good cabs...he pointed to the arcadeshop link as an alternative to gutting classic arcade cabinets.

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #210 on: February 16, 2008, 01:55:14 pm »
Dave,

You missed the point.  ArcadeHollywood is gutting good cabs...he pointed to the arcadeshop link as an alternative to gutting classic arcade cabinets.



I reread the post and yes, I did miss the point.  Sorry.  I thought it was being offered as an example of gutted cabs. 

My apologies, Zobeid.  Thanks Fred.

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #211 on: February 16, 2008, 01:57:51 pm »
Dave,

You missed the point.  ArcadeHollywood is gutting good cabs...he pointed to the arcadeshop link as an alternative to gutting classic arcade cabinets.



I reread the post and yes, I did miss the point.  Sorry.  I thought it was being offered as an example of gutted cabs. 

My apologies, Zobeid.  Thanks Fred.

Who's Fred?

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #212 on: February 17, 2008, 12:22:07 pm »
Dave,

You missed the point.  ArcadeHollywood is gutting good cabs...he pointed to the arcadeshop link as an alternative to gutting classic arcade cabinets.



I reread the post and yes, I did miss the point.  Sorry.  I thought it was being offered as an example of gutted cabs. 

My apologies, Zobeid.  Thanks Fred.

Who's Fred?

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #213 on: February 19, 2008, 02:32:56 am »
Ugh. He mamed a Buck Rogers ! I have never in my years beyond its original release, ever seen one at auction, or for sale ANYWHERE. What a waste. I'm surprised the guy didn't mame the Aztek pinball.

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #214 on: May 15, 2008, 12:01:07 am »
    In an ideal world (by my standards at least) there would be a museum of every arcade game ever made (including conversion kits) and an unlimited supply of parts to keep them serviceable, but this is not even close to true.  some people here think that these things will be around forever but I am of the impression that as much as possible should be saved now since having the one remaining cabinet of some original game (horrible to play, or not) die, or get flooded or something else terrible is a very real possibility in the future, oh sure maybe 4 people have NOS bezels, but since no one saved original side art it could never be fully reconstructed. 

    This may seem like an exaggeration but it broke my heart to see the master copy of "death race" get destroyed, and all that remains is the coin door.  I disagree with some people that seem to think all that matters is the software, and that without the electronics and side art a cab is just a box, many of those "boxes" have serial numbers stamped into them, so when 472 is destroyed it does not exist anymore, and we are one step closer to them all being gone.  I may be a purist but unlike animals with several hundred left arcade games cannot be bred to produce a healthy thriving population again, no matter how hard you try. 

    There were only so many circuit boards made, and only so many vector monitors, so why does it not hurt the community more to see these few remaining treasures dwindling.  I prefer that cabinets like the "Smash TV" from Estonia and the like are preserved rather than parted out.  I think that from seeing all the hellcade pictures, and stories about barns full of games that there are enough "project cabs" and parts to go around (I may be wrong, but I'm generalizing) that people wanting to do their first MAME can start with something in bad-to-somewhat salvageable condition and that "I am giving away the parts" is not an acceptable excuse to MAME a very good quality cab. 

    My standards for salvagability are lower than some but I don't whine about every mod.  Even reversible mods to these games do same damage.  I don't object to a lot of the stuff I see on here  just because I wouldn't choose to MAME that particular quality cab, but I can see how mob mentality might become a problem.  as I was reading these threads I found myself outraged more than once, but not all for the same side.  Everyone has opinions and a select few on this board tend to express them in such a way, and in such passion that in a few hours I can see how much everyone here loves this hobby, but I can also see how all this passion can be directed in different directions. 

    There are some people here, I have observed that have such a passion for preserving this hobby for more people to enjoy; and others that have the same passion, but direct it at making what they have the best it can be.  When I first started reading the Galaxian MAME post I was against him doing it, but as the discussion dragged on I changed sides quite a bit.  Even so far as to feel that the sideart not sticking to the paint was him getting what he deserves for destroying such a classic cab.  I have no problem with it now, but I am the kind of person to let these things go and just think that it's not TOO big of a deal. 

I have very strong feelings about cabs like tron, galaga (there are a lot so it's hard to get worked up), star wars, Dragon's Lair (although daphne, the $20 usb Microsoft HD-DVD drive, and Dragon's Lair HD-DVD is tempting) and find some of the hellcade stuff revolting, these opinions are about a very few games.  Some people say that since there are so many that we don't have to worry, but with arcade owners and other people not in our "group" destroying games without a second thought we should take it upon ourselves to save what we have, see the example of the passenger pidgeon, people thought there would always be some left; and for the record, if someone was going to destroy an arcade cab (working or not) I would save it whether or not I had even heard of it.  Someone , somewhere would be able to use it, and if not I would trade/sell some of my better cabs so I could personally make something useful from whatever I was given (this assumes whole cabinet, gutted or not).   

In general I don't think cabinets should be destroyed without a REALLY GOOD reason since they will be anyway by people less caring than us, and that it's our duty to try to preserve some history. 

I missed a few things but I will supplement this when I remember them. 

remember, they are not around forever

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #215 on: May 15, 2008, 01:36:04 am »
    This may seem like an exaggeration but it broke my heart to see the master copy of "death race" get destroyed, and all that remains is the coin door.  I disagree with some people that seem to think all that matters is the software, and that without the electronics and side art a cab is just a box, many of those "boxes" have serial numbers stamped into them, so when 472 is destroyed it does not exist anymore, and we are one step closer to them all being gone.  I may be a purist but unlike animals with several hundred left arcade games cannot be bred to produce a healthy thriving population again, no matter how hard you try.

That was my post. I regret two things about that auction, that I couldn't grab the coin door from the auction and that I didn't think to keep track of who the ---smurf--- was that destroyed the cab.

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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #216 on: May 15, 2008, 03:54:11 am »
Isn't it just because we love these things that it is so important to us. What if the generation that played in the arcades dies out? In 50 years or so, who will care about old arcade games still?
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Re: Restoring vs. Maming a cabinet - The complete rule book
« Reply #217 on: May 15, 2008, 12:46:55 pm »
The number of people in the hobby will slowly dwindle, but I don't think the games will ever stop being fun.  As long as MAME and emulation is around for people to play for free there will always be the notion of building  a cab or restoring one.

At some point people will have to reconstruct the components from scatch.

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