KDS PixelTouch 21" Kiosk Monitors - $75

[Chris]

Although this information was buried in the thread about the 19" Wells-Gardner monitors, I thought I would re-post it in a new thread for those who had missed out on the 19" monitor deal.

This is the same site that had the Wells-Gardner monitors; the site is at http://www.bizsyscon.com/ .  They don't have a secure server, so you either have to call them at 877-271-9484 to order or fill out their order form so they can call you.

The monitor is a 21" KDS PixelTouch kiosk monitor; they're selling them for $75, and they currently have 31 of them in stock.  These were originally touchscreen monitors, but the touchscreens have been removed.  Rampy has one of these; you can see it at http://ubercade.randomdrivel.com/pages/monitor_mounted_exposed_innards.htm with its outer shell removed.

These are used monitors.  The vendor is having his techs pull each monitor out as we speak to determine their condition; I asked him to especially look for burn-in.  A batch of these went last year from another vendor, and their condition ranged from nice with little burn-in to not-so-nice with chips in the glass and heavy burn-in.  Thankfully, this vendor is willing to go through them for us, so hopefully we'll get the better ones in the lot.  He's also willing to remove the steel shell before shipping, which should reduce the weight and shipping costs.

Hopefully, I'll have more information on the condition of these monitors soon.

I hope someone finds this useful!

--Chris

[MameFan]

> "He's also willing to remove the steel shell before shipping, which should reduce the weight and shipping costs"


It would also increase the chance of damage to the tube, especially the neck however

If this place had free shippping (LOL ) then I'd take a gamble again, however that 99 pound bohemith (shipping weight) caused lots of problems last year from Midwest Digital.  Luckily I got out of it with 0 monetary cost, but about 90 minutes of repacking and taking to FedEx (on a 90+ degree day I now remember [still wiping sweat!]), and tons more packing materials to return it (properly unlike what it was received like) and time spent emailing MD.


I see they're in MO, and wanted $60 to ship the WG monitor to GA... That's PRETTY pricey.  Don't wanna know how much the KDS would be to MN for me or farther states for the rest of you!

[Chris]

> It would also increase the chance of damage to the tube, especially the neck however

Well, in Rampy's pic, it looks like the neck is still pretty well protected with the shell off... there's still steel on three sides, and the bottom of the neck is again encased in its own steel box...

My boss is considering getting one of these (she wants to build a cocktail cab) once we hear more about their condition; if she orders one, I'll keep everyone posted on how well it arrives and how well it's packed...

--Chris

[Chris]

Okay, here's the response on the 21 inch monitors"

"My tech has tested 16 monitors so far and only has 2 with problems. One has slight screen burn and one has a small scratch on the screen.  The other 14 units have really nice pictures.

We pulled one out of the big metal case and it makes them 30lbs lighter. But there is a problem with that. The tube has a sharp metal edge around it and because of that I will have to put at least 3 inches of foam around it so it doesn't cut the box. The box will be oversize and Fedex will still charge an extra handling charge.  Approx shipping costs will be $60."

So they look good, but are heavy and expensive to ship.  For reference, that $60 is to Augusta, GA from St. Louis, MO, and it was also $60 if the metal case wasn't removed.

--Chris

[MameFan]

> "We pulled one out of the big metal case and it makes them 30lbs lighter"

That doesn't seem right, unless they removed EVERY piece of metal on it, leaving what? The tube and board...attached to what?

When I returned mine to MidwestDigital, the FedEx Frieght bill came to 99 pounds weight.  I had it packed inside a 19" IBM desktop Monitor box with solid foam stryo and bubble wrap, and then that box inside a larger 20" TV box. I easily had 10 pounds in box and packing between them, if not more.

That leaves 90 pounds for the monitor.  Given a 21" glass tube, most of the weight will be there.   I would believe it more if he said it lowers the weight by 10 lbs, MAYBE 15.  30 just seems inconceivable given the glass is the majority of the weight.

But I could be wrong....    

[Chris]

Well, it's hard to tell... when they shipped my Wells-Gardner, they said it was 49 pounds, but when it arrived, the box said 74 pounds...

Rampy, you took the shell off of yours... could it have been close to 30 pounds?

Anyway, it turns out to be irrelevant, as removing the shell won't reduce the shipping costs after all...

--Chris

[Birdtales]

I bought my 21" KDS monitor off eBay for 9.99 plus 90.00 shipping, so $100.00. It was brand new in the box. I would say the metal shroud on it was close to 30lbs it is two pieces of very thick metal. Haven't seen the same deal since though.

[rampy]

I would say it was closer to 30 than to 10 (can we agree on 20 - 25lbs and call it even?)  The case was heavy... and the remains are heavy too...  

The inner casing isn't nearly as robust and while better than nothing.. it doesn't offer *that* much structural support...  I'd be worried about transit... but I'm a worrier...

although it seems daft to ship the huge heavy metal frame just to have it ship intact... but then again, WD monitors don't have metal frames (or do they) and they ship those =P

is that a wishy washey of enough answer?

that's a definite maybe!

rampy

[MameFan]

> said 74 pounds

That is called "dimensional" weight... If the box is a certain size then they charge you oversize rates as if the box has that much weight. (a scam I tell ya!)


> The inner casing isn't nearly as robust

I agree. I'd be leary of "filling" the box with fill foam or peantus without a stury frame.


Good luck to those of you ordering this. Let us know how it turns out. I'll pass on this one.. My next > 19" will have to be purchased in person, I think.

[paigeoliver]

Oh wow. I wish I had heard about these earlier. I live right by this place. I might have to go in and pick one up!

[dirt]

I ordered one today and the shipping was $40.00 and I live in southern california.Without the metal case the fedex weight of the box is 73 lbs.


dirt

[Chris]

I ordered one today and the shipping was $40.00 and I live in southern california.Without the metal case the fedex weight of the box is 73 lbs.

Let us know what it's like when it arrives!

The fedex weight of the 19" Wells-Gardner was 74 pounds...

--Chris

[dirt]

It got here yesterday and it works great.it was 73lbs.I think I am going to buy 2 more.If the wife doesn't find out(sshhhh)


dirt

[Justin]

What's the image like?  Like a Computer monitor  (yuck) or like a TV/Arcade monitor?

Also, what's the connector like?  S-Vid?  RGB?  other?

[rampy]

What's the image like?  Like a Computer monitor  (yuck) or like a TV/Arcade monitor?

Also, what's the connector like?  S-Vid?  RGB?  other?

its VGA connector

it's really a computer monitor...  i*Shrug* i'm ok with the image quality... no scanlines or anything.

*Shrug*
rampy

[David King]

ANy more info on these?

VGA or SVGA?

Max Resolution?

Is the viewable size really 21" or around 20" like other monitiors?

[rampy]

ANy more info on these?

VGA or SVGA?

Max Resolution?

Is the viewable size really 21" or around 20" like other monitiors?

they are XGA whatever thate means... =P  They are for all intensive purposes SVGA, man...  I haven't measured the viewable lately... it's probably around 19 - 20" though (off the cuff guesstimate)

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1280 x 1024 NI Resolution @ 60 Hz.
110MHz Bandwidth.
Horizontal Scan Frequency: 30-70KHz.
Vertical Scan Frequency: 50-120Hz.
Full edge to edge overscan capability.
DDC1/2B Plug-N-Play.
VESA DPMS power savings.
MPR II Low Radiation.
Auto degauss.
On Screen Digital Control Display.
Voltage: 100-240 VAC, 50/60 Hz.
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My comments from another thread...

http://www.sze.net/pixel/SpecSheets/CRT/kiosk-21.htm slightly different model number, but this is what the monitor I bought looked like, except it didn't have the black touch screen apparatus attached...  It's heavy as sin...  

If the touchscreens are intact - they would be cool for other purposes I guess...

old byoac buy/sell/trade thread on the kds's   and another one you'll have to sift through the flames and the discussion about the issues mamefan (edit speak of the devil!) had with the other seller (midwest digital)...  but there's some info there I guess...

*shrug*

rampy

[Spinch]

Rampy... what kind of bezel are you using with that? I ordered one of these (should be showing up this week)... did you just order a Happ, build your own, or used something more sinister that I'm not aware of? I'm trying to fit this beast into an old KAOS cabinet (that housed what may have been the worst conversion to Gladiator... ok, the only conversion to Gladiator) that I've ever seen.

[kspiff]

You can wait for Rampy's reply, but if it's exactly like the monitor in the PDF he linked to it seems to have a flat sort of 'bezel' already.  If this is true, you should make your own as the Happ bezels are contoured and you'd never get it to look right..

[rampy]

I made my own...  I picked up some matte'ing material from a framing shop (thicker/more sturdy than poster board) and had them cut it to the size of my bezel groove.  I shoulda measured for the cutout viewable monitor part and had them cut it, but I didn't and cut it myself (it would have been sharper/cleaner cut if they did it with the right tools)...

 I also shlopped kinda a poster board frame around the monitor mounts so that if viewed at an angle you don't see as much of the metal colored mounts (paint would have also worked had I the foresight)

*shrug*  Although it's nearly a moot point as the smoked plexi I put obscures the bezel totally...  smoked plexi     clear glass  (sorry I don't have a pic handy with clear glass and bezel... I'll look for one though)

rampy

EDIT sorta see first crappy posterboard bezel (warning big pic) *shrug*

[Chris]

You can wait for Rampy's reply, but if it's exactly like the monitor in the PDF he linked to it seems to have a flat sort of 'bezel' already.  If this is true, you should make your own as the Happ bezels are contoured and you'd never get it to look right..

I think what you're looking at is the touchscreen, but the ones being sold by bizsyscon do not include the touchscreen.  See Rampy's picture at http://ubercade.randomdrivel.com/pages/monitor_mounted3.htm .

--Chris

[Chris]

I made my own...  I picked up some matte'ing material from a framing shop (thicker/more sturdy than poster board) and had them cut it to the size of my bezel groove.

Isn't that stuff expensive?  How much do you suppose it was for the material and cutting?

My homemade one is made from posterboard, but it would be easy to take it apart and take the pieces to Michaels to have them use as a cutting pattern...

--Chris

[rampy]

I made my own...  I picked up some matte'ing material from a framing shop (thicker/more sturdy than poster board) and had them cut it to the size of my bezel groove.

Isn't that stuff expensive?  How much do you suppose it was for the material and cutting?

My homemade one is made from posterboard, but it would be easy to take it apart and take the pieces to Michaels to have them use as a cutting pattern...

--Chris

I thought you used foam core board?  Regardless, the matting material cut was like 6 bucks or less for me at the local arts store... there's another name for the material that i'll have to get back to you on... but no, the matte wasn't expensive (I almost considered getting the little kit to cut your own matts, as trying to DIY with a razor and a 2x4 was sketchy =P)

rampy

EDIT for the earlier bezel question -> this thread talks about happs bezel and 21" pc monitors

[Spinch]

Many, many, thanks, you guys.  I'm snagging the plexiglas on the morrow,  and then the only thing left is figuring out how to mount my Hotrod to the front of the cab...  but that doesn't really apply to this part of the forum, does it? (Not that this exactly did... but oh well)

[dirt]

Is the viewable size really 21" or around 20" like other monitiors?

they have a 20" viewable screen.

[Chris]

I thought you used foam core board?

The flat surface is foamcore board... the inner bezel that goes down to the monitor glass is posterboard, and that's the part that keeps warping on me.

[paigeoliver]

I am going off to pick mine up now. I shall report back.

[paigeoliver]

I went and picked mine up in person, thus saving on shipping, and ensuring that I was going to get a good one.

The building was unmarked, so I was glad that I had written down the exact address.

I went into the warehouse. and they had two or 3 skids of these bad boys. Everyone that I saw had at least one tiny scratch in the screen. But a few of them were terrible. I picked one with only a teensy scratch, and they plugged it up for me. Came up just fine.

Be sure and ask for a monitor cable. These things didn't come with one, but they gave me the one from their test station when I asked for one (and thus saving me from paying $20 for a female to female monitor cable).

I got the beast home, and of course it didn't fit in my cabinet (which originally had a 13" monitor). With some slight modifications I got it to fit. It would have fit fine if I had taken it out of the case, but I wanted to leave it in there, so it would be hard to damage.

The picture on mine is absolutely awesome. It makes my 19" NEC Multisync 90 look like a $99 special.

This monitor does not properly match up with a standard 19" molded plastic bezel, so don't bother ordering one for it (doesn't match the curve of the glass, and it is too small).

[crsdawg]

paige,
  i'm going to pick up one of these as well when i come up to get the checkmate cab.  great minds think alike right, heh heh. that's a good tip on the cable, we'll see if it works twice. i've got a question for ya. does it have all your horizontal and vertical adjustments? i recently bought a cheapo 21" monitor and i can't adjust the width. very odd and very frustrating.
  if anyone living in the springfield, MO area(or doesn't mind picking it up there), or on the way from spfld to st. louis, wants one of these. i can pick it up for you. i'm heading up there in about 2 weeks. as long as your on the way, it'll be a freebie.  i'm not sure how many i can haul, since i'll already have an UR cab in the back of my truck(ford explorer) and the one monitor i'm getting for myself, but i'll try.

[NAH]

I picked mine up on Tuesday... Its dominating my desk right now. There aren't any scratches, but if you look very closely there are about three tiny lines across the top, but then they're only there sometimes, and aren't noticeable(who looks at a 21" from 3"away?) I can't see any burn in it either.

The place is kinda tricky to find. There's a door and a truck bay... make sure you have the address. Yahoo maps lead me right there.

This monitor has all the adjustments a normal KDS monitor has... same menu too. The controls are the only goofy part. On the left side of the monitor there is a section where the controls are accessible. you have to have a pen or something to hit the buttons. They are hidden and look like the heat vent holes all around the case. But its no big deal... oh and down is up and up is down...go figure

When i picked mine up they didn't know the max resolutions, but they showed me all the controls adn we looked at a couple monitors to see which one was best. My resolution i'm running at right now is 1600x1200.

Also they threw in the power and vga cables without my asking.... bubble wrapped it and loaded it into my truck too! They were nice guys. $80.52 after tax...

[crsdawg]

well, that answers all my questions. thanks

[paigeoliver]

When i picked mine up they didn't know the max resolutions, but they showed me all the controls adn we looked at a couple monitors to see which one was best. My resolution i'm running at right now is 1600x1200.

They will go a lot higher than 1600x1200. I tested mine to insanely high resolutions. No danger of damaging it, if you "overdrive" it in either res or refresh rate it it will just display an "out of range" text.

[Birdtales]

This monitor has all the adjustments a normal KDS monitor has... same menu too. The controls are the only goofy part. On the left side of the monitor there is a section where the controls are accessible. you have to have a pen or something to hit the buttons. They are hidden and look like the heat vent holes all around the case. But its no big deal... oh and down is up and up is down...go figure

I took mine out of the case and mounted the control boards seperately. Works great right under my control panel.

[paigeoliver]

I think I am going to go buy two more of them while the buying is good. =)