Slik Stik - Any Word

[saint]

[ Effort being made to demonstrate maximum etiquette, whilst still addressing the crux of these matters. ]

(Thanks!)

[leapinlew]

We're a community who believes in ethics and fair play, and we stand as one with Fozzy.

 

* leapinlew stands up, and begins a slow clap

[CheffoJeffo]

We're a community who believes in ethics and fair play, and we stand as one with Fozzy.

* leapinlew stands up, and begins a slow clap

 

* CheffoJeffo gets to his feet

I think that the community (of "people in here") is speaking pretty clearly. Some may have attributed this to mob mentality, but I notice that this isn't a bunch of yahoos clamoring for Christian's death (as some would have us believe) -- it's a bunch of people standing up for each other.

 

[missioncontrol]

I just want everyone to get what they paid for.....

[ArcadEd]

I just wanted to follow up with what Jack wrote.  

I've been working with Scott for at least 2 years now.  When I was still working out of my house, he used to do all of my wood cutting for me.  I would send the cad files, with instructions, a few weeks later I had a box of wood to assemble.  

Recently I have purchased my own CNC router and I do most of my wood cutting myself.  However, I still turn to Scott in crunch time.  Like now, when I have close to 50 360 controllers to make, and my CNC died.  Rather than wait for the repair, I contacted Scott with my desperation.  The next day he had shipped out all of the wood cut (5 4'x8' sheets total).  He's a pleasure to work it, and I will continue to work with him.  

I've never had any direct dealing with Slik Stik, except the occasional spinner I used to buy before RandyT started making them.  It sickens me the way Christian and "Company" have handled this whole situation.  However, I don't know the facts.  I don't know for sure that he did actually own slik stik.  Though when you create an LLC, you are actually not listed as an owner, but a Member.  Just seems odd to go this route.  Drop his company, buy all the merchandise, then start a company again.  I don't understand the logic.  Why not just keep the inventory, and pull slikstik out of the pit?  Just something to think about, as I'm not sure we have the whole story.  Regardless, I don't plan to work with Christian at anytime in the future.

Maybe Scott made the wrong decision in helping/selling to Christian, I don't know the answer to that, only Scott does.

I think that is all I have to say.  I won't turn my back as I leave

I also wanted to note, that it took me about 20 minutes to copy and paste email addresses from my store database and email all of my customers about the current delay.  If Slik Stik would have just done this, honestly, I think they would still be around.

[CheffoJeffo]

While I am on my feet, I'd like to thank Ed and Jack for their postings. 

It's no secret that I am pissed off at Scott, and pissed off for a very specific reason based on his recent actions.

As I, and others, have alluded to, everybody has a history and while Christian's has not been good, Scott's has. And that should be worth something.

And, yes, I'm still pissed at him.

 

[Game-boi]

Guys- I've run a business or two, and not LLCs, but here's something to think about...

Why would one be an employee of a business (specifically LLC), quit the business and buy out the stock? Easy one. The business assumes all liability for the cost of said stock. The "members" have already absorbed the profit from sales that would use those materials. And, by quitting it, you walk away from the liability, keep the money, and then "buy back" the operating materials, and believe me that's a paper transaction if there ever was one. So all around, it is a money making venture.

[ArcadEd]

Guys- I've run a business or two, and not LLCs, but here's something to think about...

Why would one be an employee of a business (specifically LLC), quit the business and buy out the stock? Easy one. The business assumes all liability for the cost of said stock. The "members" have already absorbed the profit from sales that would use those materials. And, by quitting it, you walk away from the liability, keep the money, and then "buy back" the operating materials, and believe me that's a paper transaction if there ever was one. So all around, it is a money making venture.

Yeah, that's the only reason I can think of unless he actually wasn't a Member.  Those that have filed lawsuit against Slik Slik, wouldn't that information show who the members are?  Or is that information withheld since it is an LLC.

For the Record, I didn't create an LLC to not be liable for getting my products to people.  I went under the LLC to protect my family and myself incase someone decided to sue the company, they couldn't come after us personally.  Though I'm starting to understand how Christian (if he is a member) is minipulating the system.  Arcade-In-A-Box, LLC has actually never paid me a dime as of yet.  Still in the Red, maybe someday I can pay myself.  Or should I say, Arcade-In-A-Box can give me a salary. 

But closing the doors right now, just to keep everyone's money.  No thank you.
The way it should be handled is.  Shut down the website, take no new orders.  Get current orders done and out the door, shut the business down. 

[Zakk]

The way it should be handled is.  Shut down the website, take no new orders.  Get current orders done and out the door, shut the business down. 

But then he wouldn't have 20K of slikstik money and supplies to start a new business with.  Silly.   

[ArcadEd]

The way it should be handled is.  Shut down the website, take no new orders.  Get current orders done and out the door, shut the business down. 

But then he wouldn't have 20K of slikstik money and supplies to start a new business with.  Silly.   

Well yeah, I should said: "What should be done if you were an honest person" 

[Xam]

This will be my last post since nobody cares to actually listen to what is said. Consider this...when you are in business, it often happens that companyA is unable to pay companyB for a product or service. CompanyB then decides to either extend further credit to companyA (depending on circumstances) in the hopes that by carrying the company through a difficult time they will keep the cow alive long enough to once again be able to get milk from it...OR they decide to cut companyA off and either seek relief through the courts or write off the loss. Sometimes, a business will make arrangements with a debtor to pay a reduced amount for a while until the business gets "back on its feet". There are a million scenarios that are not black & white YOU OWE ME NOW YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.

Now that is talking about BUSINESSES. When it comes to consumers, things can get a little more personal (as evidenced here). In this case, some people paid for a product from SLIKSTIK LLC and either didn't receive the product, received an inferior product, or received their product after an extended period of time. This has been made abundantly clear. Christian has offered to make good on these deals, and has been apparently doing so, but that is besides the point since noone really cares about this except for those who purchased the panels.

The question now is where do we go from here? I personally believe that the SlikStik layouts and designs are the best I have seen and Christian is obviously very talented. I would like to see him continue doing what he is doing (ie building and designing control panels for arcade machines). To that end, I will support him in what he is trying to do...take over operations at SlikStik and try and build a business that can support him and his family now and in the future.

The funny thing is that he was only asking that you stop constantly dumping on him while he is struggling to fix this situation. It's like you are all piling on this guy and will not stop.

Stop and think...What will be gained by this? Why didn't you all just give the guy a chance to make good on his promises...keep a little good will in your heart...right now some of you keep pouring poison over wounds without ceasing...like you live for this.

All I am asking is that you consider all I have said.

Most of us have considered all that has been said. Some of us have not dumped on him (Christian) at all...facts have been stated that do not favor him...and there has been flaming. The questions that come to my mind are "What does people dumping on him have to do with his promise?" Two separate issues there...they should be handled separately. "Why is Christian spending time reading a forum when he could be making people their panels?" It seems as though enough people have been defaulted on, that he would be much too busy "making good" to read this or any other forum. The flaming words can hurt no doubt....but he is reaping what he has sown. Whether he was the owner or merely an employee of SS is irrelavent. He presented himself as a customer service rep for SS here...that is where he built his reputation. He actions towards customers here made my mind up not to purchase from SS long ago.

I wish him and all those associated with him well...but if he wants to survive, and wants people to stop "dumping on him" he should reevaluate his customer relation philosophy.

Xam

[TPB]

It appears we have some evidence here ...

When did SlikStik stop taking people's cash for orders ??  Heck, they're still taking the orders, right ??  They certainly didn't stop on May 10, 2007.

And for how long after that date, did Christian keep spinning the BS about the supposed delays caused by Happs, Mamemarquees, Ultimarc, etc. ??

All the while, falsely assuring those folks waiting on their panels, that they'd get them in due course ??


United States Patent and Trademark Office

Word Mark  SLIKSTIK
Goods and Services (ABANDONED) IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Player-operated electronic controllers for electronic video game machines and for playing video games on computers
Standard Characters Claimed 
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 78397504
Filing Date April 6, 2004
Current Filing Basis 1B
Original Filing Basis 1B
Published for Opposition June 14, 2005
Owner (APPLICANT) SlikStik LLC. LTD LIAB CO NEW JERSEY 227 Bloomfield Ave Nutley NEW JERSEY 07110
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Abandonment Date May 10, 2007


To view this data yourself :

(1) Go to this link :  http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=search&state=rbnn8r.1.1

(2) Enter this search term :  78397504[SN]

(3) Click the "Submit Query" button.

[FrizzleFried]

So SlikStik is an abandoned trademark? 

[TPB]

So SlikStik is an abandoned trademark?

And why would you abandon your trademark, if your business was a going concern ??

Christian knew SlikStik was a goner long ago.

The trademark was officially abandoned on May 10, 2007.  No doubt that wasn't an overnight decision, things must have been looking grim long before that.

Yet how long after that date, did Christian continue to spin the BS, in order to keep the order money rolling in ??

For Pete's sake, they're still accepting orders today !!

Money being happily accepted by an abandoned company, for products that Christian knew full well would never materialise ??

[dirt]

that little bit of info might be handy if someone was thinking of suing.

[Barry Barcrest]

As I, and others, have alluded to, everybody has a history and while Christian's has not been good, Scott's has. And that should be worth something.

You sure Scotts history has been good? I have been biting my tounge for ages and you know what i am going to say...

Virtual Music Jukebox

Wasn't that the same attitude to customers as Christian is displaying. Were they not selling soemthing that wasn't fit for purpose without any refunds leaving a trail of anrgy customers across the web. Then who cam in as the saviour? Scott. Did it improve? No. I don't think he is the glowing character people make him out to be. Hell when he announced his involvment in a possible Slikstik buyout i pointed out about the VMJ issues and he sent me a snotty mail about it.

[leapinlew]

OK... time to leave Slikstik-Christian some feedback.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1354

[Zakk]

I thought you guys were kidding, but yes, people can, and probably are, still able to order from slikstik.  W T F??  Seriously, who can figure out what authorities to report this to?  Far from being wrong by posting in here, we're not doing ENOUGH to warn innocents about stango's unprecedented corruption (and enough about stango NOT being slikstik...we're NOT buying it, okay??)

I suggest people post in whatever forums they frequent.  It's one thing to beat a dead horse, but if that horse is still secretly kicking people in the goodies....we need to do something.  Mameworld has a posting about it, let's make sure it's posted EVERYEHERE. 

Nothing at all wrong in that, we have verified that the company is BANKRUPT.  Yet the website takes paypal orders.  That goes beyond simple name calling to absolute, outright fraud.

[zaphod]

Even more curious about SS's website is that a week or so back, it was not accepting cabinet orders, only orders for joys and parts.  Just visited their site and it is showing that 100% of their product line is available. 
Something just isn't right here.

[FrizzleFried]

I was wondering about that too.  If Christian isn't SS,  and left SS,  then why are his designs back up for sale (within the last couple weeks) on the SS website?

[missioncontrol]

because Christian bought Slikstik from Christian and promoted himself from employee to employee and now feels he doesn't how the old Slikstik customers a thing because the internets were mean to him....

[FrizzleFried]

If the SS TM is abandoned...what would it take to snatch it up?  Oh how i'd love to do that.

[Fozzy The Bear]

OK....

       So lets get this straight....

1) No business licence to operate from those premises (Licence Revoked).
2) No longer a registered trade mark (Trademark Lapsed)
3) Still taking orders and payments directly on the SlickStik Web Site.
3) Still trading the companys manufactured products from that business address.
4) In partnership with MameRoom Designs to sell SlickStik Products still carrying SlickStik identification.
5) People reporting that panels shipped by MameRoom Designs are actually being shipped from the address of SlickStik in Nutley, which has no licence to trade.
6) Which as above are still being manufactured by Christian Stango at the address he's no business licence to trade from.

This needs to be reported to the good lady who is currently assembling the case against him at Nutley Town Council.  They should be able to issue a cease and desist notice and action it if it's ignored.

And he's still not providing the products that he's already been paid for or refunds for products he hasn't sent out. Classy Dudes both of them Christian and Scott.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Mameroom]

My intentions were always simply to help people get their orders.  If I stepped on a few toes in the process...I truley am sorry...that was not my intention.  As far as blame...everyone seems hell bent on where the blame falls.  I DO NOT know...people who didn't receive their products will read this forum and come to their own conclusions.  I know everyone wants to hear from me that I am blaming certain people or that the blame should fall on Chris....I will no longer be involved  I stated some truths and facts.  Again, if they upset people...I truley am sorry.  It's not worth my time to defend my actions in here...as I know that I had good intentions.

I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.

The fact of the matter is...I am running a business and I will do whatever is in it's best interest.

Good luck to everyone and I hope there is a happy ending for as many people as there can be.

[missioncontrol]

I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.

this is a step in the right direction...

My main question now is what is this new business name Chris will be using?

Changing his business name is most likely NOT going to change how he does business, it'll just give him a new name to scam people with....

[FrizzleFried]

I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.

The fact of the matter is...I am running a business and I will do whatever is in it's best interest.

Good luck to everyone and I hope there is a happy ending for as many people as there can be.

That's a positive step in the right direction.

[CheffoJeffo]

I know that I had good intentions.

So say we all.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

"Who's to blame? ECONOMICS!" is still the greatest line I have ever read in my entire life. It ought to earn this website a Webbie. In fact, they should just shut both the Internet and the human emotion of laughing down from here on out, because that's never going to be topped. I would rather live life as a smoke signal-making Vulcan than ever try to top that one.

[Fozzy The Bear]

I know that I had good intentions.

Even I will acknowledge that that may be the case. Your attitude to people here however has been atrocious. Your good intentions were clearly based on things you believed to be facts. But you obtained your facts from Christian Stango. Not noted for telling the truth about anything. 

I will be taking a break from these forums for awhile to clear my head and review whether Mameroom will continue to offer components manufactured by Chris or not.

Hallelujah!! the lightbulb finally comes on, even if it is still glowing a bit dim.

The fact of the matter is...I am running a business and I will do whatever is in it's best interest.

Well you've certainly not done your business any favours in this thread. Which very much surprised all of us, given your previous good record.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[vertygo]

One option might be to contact their hosting company and even domain registrar with a professional, calm, and fact filled letter/email/fax requesting that they consider removing slikstik as a client due to fraud and pending legal action. Most companies do not like to be associated with situations like these, especially when there is evidence they can verify themselves.

As Scott may be realizing.. 

I noticed their SSL license expires in 8 days, interesting..
http://whois.domaintools.com/slikstik.com

[XtraSmiley]

Holy smoke!  This thread has gone places....

Really guys, lets step back for a second and answer a question that seems to have gone by with no one paying attention.

Who's still waiting for an order from SS?  Since a few orders have been coming in, have all the BYOACers orders been filled or are there a bunch still outstanding?  As I recall like 20 pages back, someone said only a total of 8 complaints have even been filed with NJ against SS.  Is this problem as big as we think it is (no flames please, I realize if it is your money gone, the problem is HUGE!) or are there just a few people out there still needing items?

Just asking the question.  God knows I wasn't happy with the service I got for my $2400 with SS, but I did get my cabinet.

[SQrL]

Who's still waiting for an order from SS?  Since a few orders have been coming in, have all the BYOACers orders been filled or are there a bunch still outstanding?  As I recall like 20 pages back, someone said only a total of 8 complaints have even been filed with NJ against SS.  Is this problem as big as we think it is (no flames please, I realize if it is your money gone, the problem is HUGE!) or are there just a few people out there still needing items?

I ordered a blank 2player pannel with an overlay on Oct 4th 2007.  At this point I would love just a blank pannel (I could get my own overlay printed for it). 

========= GENERAL INFORMATION =========
Merchant : SLIKSTIK
Date/Time : 04-Oct-2007 01:44:47 PM
Transaction ID : 1577269459
========= ORDER INFORMATION =========
Invoice Number : 6228

[FrizzleFried]

http://www.instantlink.com/index-4.html

Mailing address look familiar?

[Game-boi]

I have an outstanding order, don't have time to share details now, am writing up an entire detail of account for my bank. Will post it here when I am done. In any case, it all makes sense, which is why I will be moving forward with pending legal action too. I have heard all the same lines from the person in question, and refuse to be taken.

[JonathanEngr]

My panel arrived today and I picked it up a few hours ago.  I don't want to say a lot at the moment--I've got numerous friends coming over (bachelor's weekend!), but I'll post sometime tomorrow with my whole overview of this situation.  I'm sure I'll be peeking into the forums from time-to-time between now and then.

[adamdei8]

I ordered a quad CP at the beginning of Sept.  I haven't herd anything since.  I guess I'm out $950

[CheffoJeffo]

My panel arrived today and I picked it up a few hours ago. 

Glad to hear you got it ... have fun playing!

[meismr]

Metroid...  That is one kick ass panel!  Seriously, lit ball tops, friggin great.  I hope you have a ton o fun with it.  I'm glad you got it (and it works of course).

[M37R01D]

Metroid...  That is one kick ass panel!  Seriously, lit ball tops, friggin great.  I hope you have a ton o fun with it.  I'm glad you got it (and it works of course).

Thanks
Yes so far so good, I had a little problem with wiring up the coin door, but I guess the switch was backwards, so I rewired it and BINGO working great

[pmanili]

One thing I still don't understand is why didn't those who never received their panels from SlikStik reverse the charges on their CC?  After almost three months of waiting, I just contacted my CC company and got my money back.  I'm just curious, it seems so easy.

After getting my money back, I just orderd from Scott at MAMEROOM and got my panel within weeks.  I then ordered a marquee and side art from MAMEMARQUEES--that order got to me in days.  So, I would definetally order from MAMEROOM and MAMEMARQUEES again, even if they get their items from Christian, I don't care, the orders from these two companies are coming and coming quicky. 

This was my first time I ordered from both of those companies, and have had nothing but good success from both of them.  I'd hate to see them no longer sell the SlikStik panels because of this thread--the panels are just plain awesome.

Anyway, I believe in giving good feedback when it is due, and that is why I wrote this.  I think both MAMEROOM and MAMEMARQUEES did an awesome job for me.  Even Christian made good on my order.

Good job guys.