Slik Stik - Any Word

[saint]

This thread is getting a time out... It'll be postable again tomorrow. Without asking anyone to change their minds on anything, please take a breather on the subject.

[saint]

OK - if you can read this then you can post in this thread again. Read this first please.

This kind of thread really puts me at a loss. I want BYOAC to be a friendly place -- arcade stuff is a fun hobby by and large after all! I'm not totally naive though, and I know people are going to butt heads from time to time. In that light all I ask is that people do so courteously, without profanity, without direct personal attacks (if you must, take it to PM), and generally without dragging the forum as a whole down... I don't expect to really achieve that all the time either, but it'd be nice if it was generally true, and as a whole I think it is.

So... threads like this leave me at a loss. Despite my habit of editing out things when they get nasty, I really really really hate censorship. Regardless of which side you're on this is an important issue in the community. On one hand you have a vendor's livelihood at stake, on the other you have people who've lost money from their pockets. I think it's important both sides are heard in a situation like this, and my and BYOAC's official stance is to be neutral.

But this thread keeps getting nastier and nastier and is spilling out to other areas as well. While this discussion is important to the parties directly involved and to potential future customers, as the forum owner I wince at the pain it's causing the site in general. First I put the thread in timeout and then I put the whole forum in timeout, so I could go to bed without worrying about what was happening. Meh - that's not fair to everyone else on the forum.

And so I'm getting on one knee -- there -- and begging, please, pretty please, tone it down on all sides? My doctor says I have high blood pressure.

(oh, and keep it to one thread please)

Thanks!

--- saint

[FrizzleFried]

I think I speak for the vast majority of us when I say we don't want to see you in pain Saint...at least not without you video taping it for us to point and laugh at later down the road...

...and for that reason,  I will try...TRY...to keep my arguments civil.

[JackTucky]

SAINT LOVES BYOAC!

[Sir Auros]

I'm essentially done being an active participant in this thread. I'll probably keep reading, and I might steal FrizzleFried's sigpic.

saint, I hope you didn't find me as rude as I sometimes am and that I didn't annoy you. 

[TPB]

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[dirt]

I understand...but be sure to purchase all of your controls from somewhere other than Happ...and make sure the vendor you use, doesn't use Happ controls.  They too (just like us) resell Christians products.  So a boycott of this type may be more ingrained than you think.  I won't call out the SEVERAL other big vendors as they may wish to remain anonymous at this point. 

I'm sure that once Christians new business is up and running, that we will no longer offer The Classic, Co2, or Quad Ultimate controllers.

i stopped using happs years ago. in case you didn't know all they are is a middleman anyway. just about everything they sell can be bought from their suppliers cheaper. but my point wasn't to boycott every company that works with christian. i just don't want to put any money in HIS pocket. i wouldn't have any problem buying other things from you as long as it wasn't anything that was made by christian or put money in his pocket. i just cant run my business and expect a good reputation by dealing with a known scam artist. i don't want anyone to think i will pull up stakes and screw people out of their money as he has. my dad once told me "you are judged by the people you associate with". dont get me wrong i am not by any means telling you how you should run your business. its yours to run the way you want. i am just explaining how i want to run mine. my earlier offer was sincere, if you part ways with christian please let me know. i could use a good cp maker for my machines.

[quarterback]

People..regarding Scott Glazer/Mameroom Designs LLC...what is so hard to grasp?

-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"?  Does it matter?  Will it get you your money back?  Will it get you your product?

Are you kidding me??? Of course it matters.  It's about responsibility.  It's about what's right and wrong.  And, as far as it concerns you, it's about the fact that you actually came here and chose to blame BYOAC members for Christian's actions.

That's the only reason I posted in this thread at all.   You did it the first time and I cringed.  You did it in a second post and I was shocked.  You did it in a third post, and my jaw dropped.  You did it in a fourth post, and I felt I had to say something about it.  Over and over you repeatedly blamed people in this thread for being the reason that customers were not going to get what they paid for.

You cast blame on people who were completely innocent and even to this very moment you REFUSE to place any blame on Christian, the guy who conned his way into this situation is somehow innocent in your mind, but people in this thread are guilty.  That's just stunning to me.   

And then you ask "Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"? "  Are you serious?   In your mind only "economics" is to blame?    If you were to lose all your money because a poor person stole it from your bank account, would you only blame "economics" then?  Or are things different when it's YOUR money and not somebody elses?

People are so out for blood that they'll settle for Mameroom, since they can't get to SS or Christian...it really is pathetic. 

Give me a break.   It's clear why people are upset with you and if you don't get it it's only because you're trying to dismiss their criticisms.

People are upset with you/Mameroom because you are choosing to deal with someone who they believe to be a crook.  Additionally, you are not only acting as his supportive mouthpiece but you are also refusing to place any responsibility on him as the person who was actually the CAUSE of this trainwreck.   You are supporting the activities of a person who they feel has done a huge disservice to other arcade hobbiests.  THAT is why people are upset with you, your words and your actions.   How tough is that to understand?

Everyone seems to think that I'm standing up for him...

Because you are.  Because you repeatedly blame others in this thread for something they have no control over (i.e. people getting what they paid for)  But yet you refuse to place any blame on Christian who has COMPLETE control over whether people get what they paid for.

If that's not "standing up for Christian", then I don't know what is.   

and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen.

The fact that Christian decided not to do the right thing is 100% his decision.  The fact that he chose to blame Fozzy for it doesn't make it so.  Fozzy didn't hold a gun to his head.  Fozzy didn't make him do anything.  Coming up with an excuse for doing the wrong thing doesn't suddenly make it right.

If you want to be a "hero", you have to act like one, not just make excuses for why you decided to NOT act like one.




That's it.  I finally got the answer to who you think is to blame for all of this, so now that I've cleared up why people are upset and why I think responsibility is important, I'm done here.

[Kremmit]

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[protokatie]

I don't personally know anything about slickstick or any other panel makers, so I wont comment on them: but here is something to consider.

If you are going to make a MAME or JAMMA cabinet, why not MAKE the control panel? I have a small budget for the whole project, and want to make it as much my own project as possible. I have asked for help with woodwork/construction design from a local finishing carpenter/friend (who would still charge me 30 an hour to do the work, as he has 40 year experience and could do it well) but I think I will go my own route and actually make all the stuff myself (including mistakes). Making MY cabinet should be MY job, otherwise it is just piecing things others made together.. (OK OK, I will be buying an IPAC and buttons and such, but you get my jist)

Beyond that, I do hope that the people who ordered slikstick panels get them soon.

This was just my humble opinion about making ones own cabinet.

[Mega24]

This will be my last post since nobody cares to actually listen to what is said. Consider this...when you are in business, it often happens that companyA is unable to pay companyB for a product or service. CompanyB then decides to either extend further credit to companyA (depending on circumstances) in the hopes that by carrying the company through a difficult time they will keep the cow alive long enough to once again be able to get milk from it...OR they decide to cut companyA off and either seek relief through the courts or write off the loss. Sometimes, a business will make arrangements with a debtor to pay a reduced amount for a while until the business gets "back on its feet". There are a million scenarios that are not black & white YOU OWE ME NOW YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.

Now that is talking about BUSINESSES. When it comes to consumers, things can get a little more personal (as evidenced here). In this case, some people paid for a product from SLIKSTIK LLC and either didn't receive the product, received an inferior product, or received their product after an extended period of time. This has been made abundantly clear. Christian has offered to make good on these deals, and has been apparently doing so, but that is besides the point since noone really cares about this except for those who purchased the panels.

The question now is where do we go from here? I personally believe that the SlikStik layouts and designs are the best I have seen and Christian is obviously very talented. I would like to see him continue doing what he is doing (ie building and designing control panels for arcade machines). To that end, I will support him in what he is trying to do...take over operations at SlikStik and try and build a business that can support him and his family now and in the future.

The funny thing is that he was only asking that you stop constantly dumping on him while he is struggling to fix this situation. It's like you are all piling on this guy and will not stop.

Stop and think...What will be gained by this? Why didn't you all just give the guy a chance to make good on his promises...keep a little good will in your heart...right now some of you keep pouring poison over wounds without ceasing...like you live for this.

All I am asking is that you consider all I have said.

[FrizzleFried]

Mega24, 

I honestly think that you are a kind hearted soul.  Trusting.  TOO trusting.

123       Main / Main Forum / Re:SlikStik News & Announcements       on: October 31, 2002, 09:52:07 AM
Quote from: Dink on October 30, 2002, 11:27:07 AM
Is it still taking over 2 months to get a SlikStik delivered?

Dink,

    The shipping times have vastly approved for all units, they never took 2 months to ship, there was a small window within the past 8 months that we were plagued by manufactures not having enough parts to supply us with that in fact some units shipping times were delayed due to this.

In any instance we have no rectified that situation by stocking a huge parts inventory to assure SlikStik customers the fastest shipping time possible.

Thank You
 
Christian
SlikStik Customer Support
http://www.slikstik.com
The Worlds Best Arcade Controllers

Do you see that date?  That was over 5 years ago.  Do you see the overall THEME of this post?  Sound familiar?  This isn't the first time folks around here have dealt with Christian.

As for shipping times, yes there have been some delays, 95% due to Happ Controls not being able to supply us with the parts we order. For instance, right now there is a trackball delay that we and Incredible Technologies are waiting for from them, as they have stated they received a faulty trackball roller from their supplier and they are backordered over 1000 trackballs. You can surely call or email them to verify this on your own.

-November 6th, 2002

...just dig a little and you will see that Christian, Jerry & SS have given every excuse under the sun as to why their product is constantly late including even "The cost of stainless steel as gone up 85% and we are attempting to get new supplier" (in regards to control cabs with stainless sticks).

 

[protokatie]

Quote:
This will be my last post since nobody cares to actually listen to what is said.

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Maybe the reason why noone replies to me on this forum is because, like you, I have no avatar...

hmm. Nah, its just because I am new, and my questions about arcade controls are all green...

As a "greenie" I actually almost decided to NOT make a cab after reading the crap on this particular thread... I thought this was going to be a fun endevour, but apparently it isnt as easy as that... And to think I though design, layout, and actually cutting wood would be the annoyances I would have to face...

I dont know if it is good or bad I came across this thread, but damn: It changed my view of the whole thing. Atleast I know that I will be going through Ultimarc for the stuff I need to do it for controls and Ill just be going through local friends and doing as much I can myself for the actual cab making...


Why is it that something that should be fun can become so damn annoying like this?

[FrizzleFried]

Why is it that something that should be fun can become so damn annoying like this?

HINT: Most of us "idiots" have already had the fun of building our cabs...

PS: Don't let us get you down... 95% of the community out there are great.

[protokatie]

PS: Don't let us get you down... 95% of the community out there are great.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I do realise that that is true. Ill be making my first order from ultimarc after the magsticks come in, and then will officially start my journey (or I may get some Esticks, since they have the front mounting plate and as I said I am green at all of this). Its just that I had hoped this would be a better experience on the forums, but I do understand about people warning others of bad deals...

* protokatie is naive sometimes, and wishes that niche groups were perfect, when that wish is never possible... I will of course follow my dreams of making a cabinet that makes you drool with envy!!! (that promise is earmarked for sometime after you have died a natural death and I am about 120 years old  )

[M37R01D]

FWIW, my panel arrived today. WoW I'm amazed. It looks better then I thought it would. After installing a few extra's to the panel I slapped it in, loaded up the software, and tested it out. So far everything is working great. Just have to finish configuring a few controls but other then that it rocks.
Here are a few shots as promised








As asked befor, After receiving this panel, if I had to, and could deal with Chris (not SS) I would order another from him. Its sad to see them stopped being produced as it is a true piece of art.

BTW new marquee is in the process of being designed

[Comp1demon]

WOW JUST WOW.......

Read every post from beginning to end - this plays out like a soap opera.

Each character is well designed (Christian - Slikstik, Scott - Mameroom, Customers - 2 or 3 main ones, The Forum Trolls (i mean this nicely) that are hated by main Character 1 - we know who they are - and last but not least the GUEST STARS - mamemarquees, Happs, ect...)

I think I could adopt this thread into a screenplay, seriously.....

Anyways.........

We all know that Slikstik has a bad reputation.  We know the workers there suck and we know that it is out of business (supposedly)
I think the website needs to come down.
I think anyone with an outstanding order should be on slikstiks ass.

Christian is acting like a baby....  DUDE GROW UP - sticks and stone break my bone and my business but names can never hurt me.  There are about 35 individual users here.  10 are past or present customers.  3-5 are people like mameroom, mamemarquees, happs.   The rest are opinionated people.  Even if 100 annon users read this thread, whats only about 120 people that probably wont deal with slikstik - out of those 120 (according to Scott) 15% are BYOAC CUSTOMERS - So what did slikstik loose? maybe 20 orders? - oh wait slikstik is out of business - they lost nothing.......

I'm sure Christian will start a new arcade business - I'm sure his reputation will take him far.  Though there is probably a chance he will give his new LLC a new FACE - and he will be the man behind the curtan - so even xtian haters might do business with him.

As for Scott a Mameroom - He has rambled quite a bit and been on both sides of the fence - even though i don't think he realizes he put him self there.  And while some people blame Scott, curse at him, boycott him - whatever - he has a great business and MAMEROOM is 100% top notch.  There really isn't an alternative to MAMEROOM unless you want a fully designed cabnet from someone like dreamauthentics or someone like that - or if you BYO.  Even with all the damage I think Scott did to HIS reputation here at BYOAC - and i disagree with allot of what he had to say, actually more than allot off what he had to say - I would deal with him ANY TIME OF THE WEEK.  MAMEROOM is topps.  Scott as a EMPLOYEE of mameroom is TOPPS.  Yes I understand that what you do in your personal life can effect your business life.  I know you are not supposed to go out drinking with your company logo shirt on - but allot of us DO IT.  Also of us use who we work for, or what business we run to enhance our perspective from others.  It can come back to bite you in the ass, but even if Scott lost 100 customers - I'm sure he gained 200 more, just from search hits and word of mouth.  AM i mad he still does business with xtian - nope NONE OF MY BUSINESS.  Does it suck that he does? Yes it does - but that's my opinion and who am i to judge - (i know it sounds hypocricial - and probably is).


Bottom line....

Christian needs to grow up, grow a pair and learn how to be responsible and DO THE RIGHT THING.  Remember ENRON?

Scott - disappear from this thread, I'll say it again you do yourself no favors here in THIS THREAD.  Are people giving you a hard time? Yea they are but you kind of invite it.

SCREWED OVER CUSTOMERS - call Xtian and see what you can work out.  If he was just an "employee" and cares to take personal responsibility and fill a order, good for him - if he don't - then it sounds like he is in a position to do so, harsh reality or not - yes he might be thief, untied legally from SS - whatever the case my be - if you decide to make people happy from the disaster of a chapter 7 business that SS became - then more power to you - but don;t pick and choose, it's like the teacher used to say in school "if your gonna chew gum - bring enough for the whole class"  - if there are 20 customers without panels and you fill just 1 of them then you should fill them all - regardless of what people say about you. 

Finally - to all you out there with SS control panels, I have one too, they are great products.  Treat them well, cause if they break or need to be replaced - you will have to deal with Xtian again or find a sup par alternative, or DO THE WORK YOURSELF - which is what BYOAC is all about.

Nite

[MTwitty]

The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?

I almost replied to this with the message below:

"Let's see...the people Christian, and Christian alone, knowingly decided to rip off?"

I stopped myself...until I read this:

If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service.  Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.

Don't kid yourself. You've permanently lost my business and that of anyone I have any influence over as a direct result of your self-confessed greed, lack of ethics and your condescending attitude. You won't believe this, I'm sure, but there are people out there for whom these things actually do matter more than profit. I refuse to deal with unscrupulous people (or their LLC proxies), period. Customer service and quality be damned! Not only am I not going to do business with you, I wouldn't even have you as a customer.

Nobody claiming to be honest would condone the actions Chris is committing in full view of everyone here.

For the record, I would tend to trust the motives of people like Fozzy and CheffoJeffo who have no dog in this fight over the motives of someone who finally came out and admitted he's trying to influence the outcome to make money, no matter the cost to others. I admit to being totally baffled as to what your motive for defending Christian so strongly was. Now I know.

I'm happy for those who received their orders, and I feel very sorry for those that Christian ripped off.

This has gotten all too ugly. I'm going to sit the rest of this debacle out.

Good luck, all.

[CheffoJeffo]

If I am rubbing people the wrong way by saying that pissing chris off will not get other's their panels...then I'm I truely am sorry, but...Given that FACT, that certain people in here could care less about whether or not other received their panels...and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen.  Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire.  Selfish.

Scott, it is stuff like this that is what makes me mad at you. While using Xtian as a supplier annoys me, it is a business decision and doesn't make me angry.

And I'm not mad at Xtian -- he is what he is and it is what he always has been. He did a little bit more than I expected him to in getting some panels out, but his behaviour, particularly the kiss-off note, has been 100% consistent with his past actions.

Back to you ... I am SOOOOO ticked off at you at your holier-than-thou attempts to vilify "people here" (you can't even bring yourself to name us) by mischaracterizing our motives and then calling it FACT (just 'coz you post it and use capitals doesn't make it so). 

You even use the phrase "not fulfill his promise" in referring to Xtian.

How the hell is it my fault that Xtian wouldn't fulfill a PROMISE ?

OK, I predicted it, but that doesn't exactly make me Nostradamus.

[Mameroom]

Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that?  Why does there need to be more.

I am a vendor...should I not use another vendor because he was involved in a company that filed chapter 7?  It really sucks that poeple got screwed out of their money.  I tried to do whatever I could to help.

Is everyone really outraged by me saying something along the lines of "Chris doesn't want to hear this crap about him...if he does, he won't get anyone's panels out if he has to do so out of his own pocket"?

...being the mouthpiece for Christian...I was looking out fall all of you customers who in involved in this mess...who here do you think has won?  It certainly isn't them.  By any account it looks like Chris just saved himself about 20K (by what was mentioned in here).

While ALL I ever intented to say was.
1) Give Chris the opportunity to make good on his promise
2) Back off unitl after everyone got their panels.

You know what.  I'll prove my point about BLAME. 

Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS.  ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....

...wow, a bold (but factually accurate) statement...what do you do?

All of the people in here that don't have a vested interest...why should you shut up?  You're not going to walk and egg shells for anyone...It would be too big of a hit to either personal pride (or ego), to not say anything.  You would rather see customers get screwed than be silenced....and you are telling ME (scott/mameroom) that I am somehow at fault here...I thinks that may be called some kind of transference (I'm not a shrink).

I am just as vocal as anyone...as long as I don't personally attack anyone...I'm not overly concerned about my business.  It will stand or fall on it's own merit...not because I made some posts in an arcade forum trying to help people.

Some people are trying to kill the messenger...if you didn't like the message, I'm sorry...I was just doing what I could to help.

[missioncontrol]

so why is Chris having a 3rd party deliver his message anyways? Is he not going to make an appearance and tell everyone else they are SOL because he can't handle the heat that he caused himself by NOT sending out whar his customers paid for?

[Mameroom]

good questions...HE DIDN'T SEND ME to tell this forum the news...It was a warning I took upon myself to deliver.

I (unlike many in here) actually do care if customers got their panels.

[Mameroom]

I don't really see the comparison between SlikStik and Mameroom.  There has never been in the history of my company, a customer that didn't get what they paid for and been 100% satisfied.  If something arrived not right, we made it right.  If they were just unhappy for some reason...we offered a refund.   Yes, there may have been a delay or two from backordered items....

...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company?  I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?

...again, this is probably an incredible waste of my time...but yet I find it hard to stay away (why is that)?

[MTwitty]

Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS.  ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....

Since I guess I'm included in "PEOPLE OF BYOAC", and have been granted such amazing powers of choice, I choose to use them for good. I choose, "Christian gives all his customers the products they paid for."

Do I get to be a hero now, too?

For god's sake, Scott, just let it drop. There's no way in hell you're ever going to pin the blame for Christian's actions on anyone but Christian. And frankly, only an absolute fool would buy your ridiculous attempts to try. Your only chance to absolve Christian of responsibility would be to take the blame yourself.

[missioncontrol]

I don't really see the comparison between SlikStik and Mameroom.  There has never been in the history of my company, a customer that didn't get what they paid for and been 100% satisfied.  If something arrived not right, we made it right.  If they were just unhappy for some reason...we offered a refund.   Yes, there may have been a delay or two from backordered items....

...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company?  I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?

...again, this is probably an incredible waste of my time...but yet I find it hard to stay away (why is that)?

by becoming the voice of Christian in this thread and saying how he can't be touched because Slikstik is an LLC and that will legally protect him from his wrong doings you pretty much have tarnished your own LLC.

[CheffoJeffo]

Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that?  Why does there need to be more.

Because you made it more and very strongly implied that I, and people like me, were the ones responsible for people not getting their panels. You called us selfish and blamed us for a rip off perpetrated by others, whom you don't want to seem to hold accountable.

When talking about Xtian's role, you have said "it's business" and "it's economics".

But as for people not getting their panels, you say "it's you BYOAC guys" or, I guess now, "it's Fozzy".

While ALL I ever intented to say was.
1) Give Chris the opportunity to make good on his promise
2) Back off unitl after everyone got their panels.

See my prior comments about people who convinced others to wait and avoid chargebacks/legal proceedings ...

Scott Glazer from Mameroom publicly states:
"PEOPLE OF BYOAC...YOU, AND YOU ALONE HAVE A CHOICE ON HOW THIS ENDS.  ALL CUSTOMERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR PRODUCTS...IF AND ONLY IF YOU REMAIN SILENT AGAINST CHRIS"....

...wow, a bold (but factually accurate) statement...what do you do?

Isn't that what you did ? Didn't I say that if Christian actually reneged because of my opinion then my opinion wasn't far from the mark ?

All of the people in here that don't have a vested interest...why should you shut up?  You're not going to walk and egg shells for anyone...It would be too big of a hit to either personal pride (or ego), to not say anything.  You would rather see customers get screwed than be silenced....

You see, there you go again ... characterizing my actions. Here's a tip -- for you this is a business, for me it is a community and I care about that community. The behaviour that we saw from Christian is completely and entirely consistent with what we have been seeing these past 5 years. I, and others, suggested that behaviour would not change (e.g. he would make good on some stuff and then bail). You, and others, said that we should look past this and you tried to shift the blame to people who were only telling the truth based on what has happened before (and happened again).

and you are telling ME (scott/mameroom) that I am somehow at fault here...I thinks that may be called some kind of transference (I'm not a shrink).

Actually, no, I blame SlikStik/Christian for people not getting their panels ... as should you.

I blame you for exactly what you did -- blaming us.

[CheffoJeffo]

...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company?  I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?

Uh, no ... (is this thing on ? can everybody hear me ?) ... to my mind, the biggest negative thing that I can say about your company is that you chose to blame innocent BYOACers for Christian/SlikStik's failures.

You chose a business partner who had, by your own admission, done the same things over and over again to the detriment of the community over the community and then BLAMED the community for that business partner's failure to keep his promise.

Any expectation that the community would support you is almost as mind-boggling as Christian's expectation to be seen as a hero.

[leapinlew]

The reason I wouldn't buy from Slikstik is how Christian acted on these forums. His actions as a business owner towards his clients and future customers were awful. I still cannot understand why Mameroom would come into a Slikstik thread where unhappy customers are voicing their concern and condone Christians actions. I will never be a mameroom customer - which is a shame because I've been eyeing your bartop/jukebox units.

Everyone was saying Christian was going to walk away from this situation including you. The difference is you feel he walked away because of all the negative comments and the rest of us know he walked away because this is the kind of person he is.

All he is doing is delivering a few highly publicized control panels to try to get everyone to quiet down and let this blow over.

[MTwitty]

I don't really see the comparison between SlikStik and Mameroom.  There has never been in the history of my company, a customer that didn't get what they paid for and been 100% satisfied.  If something arrived not right, we made it right.  If they were just unhappy for some reason...we offered a refund.   Yes, there may have been a delay or two from backordered items....

...but is that really the only negative thing you can say about my company?  I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?

It's not just that you order parts from someone who appears to be involved in an an ongoing fraud. It's your attitude toward people who find his conduct reprehensible. It's your continuing attempts to pin some form of blame for his inconsistent and seemingly fraudulent actions on people who could not possibly have anything to do with his actions. It's that you don't seem to be able to comprehend that anyone even should have a problem with your attitude or what you're saying.

I really don't even know how to explain this to you since you seem to have absolutely no problem with anything Christian has done. I, and many others here, apparently do have a problem with his actions. I don't know how to interpret your relationship with and defense of him other than your condoning his actions and business practices (you are in effect in business with him). If I then conduct business with you, regardless of your reputation or the quality of your products, I am condoning yours. And I don't condone people doing business with alleged crooks.

As was asked before (I think by CheffoJeffo or Fozzie), why are you upset with and blaming innocent people in this forum and just fine with Christian and Slikstik?

...again, this is probably an incredible waste of my time...but yet I find it hard to stay away (why is that)?

Ditto, but I find it tough to turn away also.

[FrizzleFried]

good questions...HE DIDN'T SEND ME to tell this forum the news...It was a warning I took upon myself to deliver.

I (unlike many in here) actually do care if customers got their panels.

More blaming the FORUM and not your SUPPLIER.  You have absolutely no clue man...none.

[FrizzleFried]

I order parts through a manufacturer that upset of few people on BYOAC?

No,  you are in bed (as evidenced by a good portion of your website) with a manufacturer who allegedly defrauded multiple people from this forum (and I imagine) many others.  It's not just hearsay either,  you saw with your own eyes,  heard with your own ears,  this manufacturer is doing this to YOUR CUSTOMER POOL... then you defend him/them,  and still are willing to take money from them knowing full well that a portion of that money is tainted.

HONEST PEOPLE don't take money from people who earned it dishonestly.

EXAMPLE:  Say I sell stereo equipment.  Say a guy walks in and TELLS ME,  hey bro,  I just stole this $1000 off a lady down the street and I want to buy a bad-ass car stereo system.  I'd throw the dude out on  his ass and call the police.  It seems that you'd take his money,  and when the police showed up you'd defend him as a nice guy and it somehow must have been SOCIETY who caused him to steal $$ from that lady.

Do you realize just how damn WRONG that sounds bro?

[Scottk]

Well,
I know I should stay out of this, but hey, what the heck.

I can offer something good to say about Slik Stik.

I bought a blank CO2 from them last spring.
Ordered it on a Monday, received it on that Thursday.

It beat all my buttons/joysticks from Ultimarc's in shipping by 1 day,
but to be fair, Ultimarc comes DHL from overseas. =)

In fact, I also ordered the UAII from mameroom at the same time, and that also shipped fast and clean.

I know this is BYOAC, but I don't have the woodworking skills needed to build
the CP or cabinet, and to be quite frank, the CO2 is put together a hell of a lot better than anything I could do.

I am a coder, not a carpenter.

My experience from all 3 vendors listed above were 100% A+.

I do think its too bad that all this stuff is happening now.
Oh well.

Scott

[CheffoJeffo]

I know I should stay out of this, but hey, what the heck.

Far from it, all experiences are relevant and welcomed.

 

[missioncontrol]

Well,
I bought a blank CO2 from them last spring.
Ordered it on a Monday, received it on that Thursday.

Scott

Glad things worked well for you. Had this always been the case, then this thread wouldn't be here....

[TPB]

Edit by saint - Pretty please?

[Arcades R Fun]

I feel that it's time to make a few comments.
As you all have seen I'm not a big poster on these forums. It's not that I do not want to get involved, it's just that there's so many knowledgable people giving great answers to problems that I usually just sit back , read and learn.

It's well documented that Slikstik was one of the first companies to offer panels to the BYOAC/world several years a go. Yes, they made a great product and it looks like Christian is now doing so as well.

But, "First to Market" does not guarantee long term success.
Other panel makers have surfaced and are producing better quality and better looking panels at a lower price than SlikStik or Christian have ever produced.

This is not rocket science. The classic arcade game cabinet/panel shapes have been around for 20+ years and it's very straighforward to create a control panel or cabinet from scratch.

This hobby has evolved and in the process has passed SS/Christian by!

Kneivel, Timoe, Arcade In A Box, JJ's Arcade etc. all make great panels. There are also others too numerous to mention that produce great looking panels.    

Plus, I have to mention that many, many BYOAC members have shown their great DIY talents and have blown away anything SS/Christian has or will ever produce.  


Now with Groovy Game Gear producing so many cool things that you can fill a panel with, there's no reason to be forced to buy from SS/Christian ever again.

I understand many people were screwed over by Slikstik and I hope that people continue to fight for their money back and the "Word" continues to be put out about their bad business.

We can show our disdain for SS/Christian by supporting the vendors listed above who would be more than happy to make a panel for you, and probably at a lower price.  


Once this all settles down I hope you all consider MAMERoom on your vendor list as well.
I believe that you should not boycott Scott/MAMERoom for his words on this forum. His customer service track record over the past many years should be taken into consideration when judging him.

Ok, rant mode off (Hopping off the SoapBox)


Side Note:
Due to the demise of SS we experienced a flood of orders last November/December.
We were unable to handle the sudden increase in orders ( I have a regular day job).
Only now are we working on the last few panels the next 2 Weekends. Then we will finally be caught up.
I wanted to take the time to say publicly how sorry I am for taking longer than expected to build/ship your panel orders. I did my best.

Many of you wanted to have your orders in time for the holidays and I let you down.
I have learned from this experience and have taken steps so that this does not happen again.
Jack

[Fozzy The Bear]

Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that?  Why does there need to be more.

He can call me out as much as he likes..... It doesn't get away from the fact that he's the one who's taken multiple peoples money and STILL to date, failed to provide the goods. End of story!!

There's nothing else to be said about him except that true to form, exactly as predicted, he's failed yet again to provide the goods to people who handed him hard earned legitimate money.

He wants to call me out, then that's fine he can feel free to have the Cahones to do it in person on here. Not through some third party that's out to make a quick buck off the demise of his company.

Edit by saint - Pretty please? Edit by Fozzy- OOOPS! Yes Saint... Sorry shouldn't lower myself to his level like that..    anybody got any mashmallows to toast instead??

He's lied about his responsibilities, he's lied about his suppliers, he's lied about and to his customers. He's still not provided the goods he's taken money for. As I said.... He's committed what would appear to be wire fraud, he's committed what would appear to be common fraud, and because I stand up and call a spade a spade, after four or five years of watching him fork people over for what amounts to thousands of dollars. It must be my fault in the main and other long standing members on here's fault as well, that he's still not delivered the goods, and is still bucking his moral obligations.

All of that is fact and truth!! Which is precisely why he doesn't like it.

Nothing else to be said about him.... The hobby is better off without a slimeball like that.

Now.... lets take a little look at why he's really decided that it's my fault shall we.....

I had a run in with Stango about two years back in which he used exactly the words he's been using here when he said "who the hell are you.. You haven't even bought anything from SlickStik" This was while he was having a go at Randy Turner (Groovy Game Gear) and I was pulling him to pieces for publicly and completely unjustifiably attacking his competitor in a public forum. Unfortunately for him he lost that one, and looked a complete jerk. He's been trying to gun me down ever since, in some twisted sick psychotic and sociopathic vendeta the cretin has going on in his own twisted little head.

Looks from the current state of the thread like that's entirely backfired on him.  Exactly as predicted by at least five people on here, It's quite clear that he never intended anybody to actually get their missing goods, except of course for the high profile ones that are currently leading to a case with The Attorney General's office. It's just more lies, excuses and delay tactics.

Like I said, I'll give him a break the day he actually either provides ALL of the goods that he's taken money for and not provided. OR the day he returns ALL of the money he's taken without providing the goods. He wants to be seen as a Hero!! HA!!! What a joke that is.  Then do one of the above two things Stango! without bullshitting and carping about it.

Until then I'll continue to name and shame him, and all thieving scum like him, so that they have as little opportunity as possible to rip more people off, the way he has for at least the last FIVE YEARS!!!!

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)   

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I'm interested in (potentially) recommending Mameroom to some friends of mine (ie: as customers), and I have a question for Scott:

I'm concerned that, based on your support of the actions of this other gentlemen at SlikStik, is there any potential that you might get so upset by things posted on this forum that you may decide not to fulfill your customers orders?




mrC

[TPB]

[ Saint ... we're all thinking of your blood pressure.

But when people get scammed of their money, it's hard to find lullabies to sing about it.

Sometimes, discussion of the details, warts and all, is necessary. ]

A lot of people have run businesses, some incorporated and many not. I've run a business myself. If Christian ran Slickstick, then Christian = Slikstik. Play semantic games all you want, nothing will ever change that.

Christian will ship product to people Christian wants to ship product to.

Nothing could be more true.

Read it from the Meister himself :

[email from Christian]

Oh and BTW, you have been nothing but nice to me, and thats why you have your new unit on its way

For folks like Mike Ahearn, parting with your hard earned cash, and waiting for almost a year thereafter, will not be enough to sway Christian.

Nay, our "Hero" wants you to get down on your hands and knees, and GROVEL.

I placed my order in March of 2007 and never received my panel.  For those of you that have recently received your panels, did Christian contact you out of the blue and tell you he was going to get it out?  If he contacted you, what method did he use: telephone, letter, email?  If you contacted him, how was it that you made contact with him?  If you telephoned him, what number did you call?  If you emailed him, what address did you use?  My last contact with SlikStik was on October 2, 2007.  My story was posted much earlier in this thread.  I was calling almost everyday and emailing with no repsonse.

[TPB]

[ Effort being made to demonstrate maximum etiquette, whilst still addressing the crux of these matters. ]

Chris called out Fozzy...why not leave it at that?

Because Fozzy's a man of INTEGRITY, and while YOU might be happy for Christian to single him out, we're not.

We're a community who believes in ethics and fair play, and we stand as one with Fozzy.

It really sucks that poeple got screwed out of their money.

Screwed by your BUSINESS PARTNER, right ??

By any account it looks like Chris just saved himself about 20K

20K of WHOSE MONEY ??

If Christian can't be bothered making all of the panels for which SlikStik has pocketed people's cash, then here's a thought ...

How about getting out his chequebook and issuing some REFUNDS ??

Not much effort involved in that ... all it would require is a bit of moral fortitude.