Slik Stik - Any Word

[TPB]

The length to which this thread has needed to expose SlikStik's shonky business practices, is demonstrated by the popularity of this thread.

A new record shall soon be set :

BYOAC "Sticky" FAQ and bookmarks thread: 22,970 page views

Slik Stik - Any Word: 21,977 page views (and counting).   

[patrickl]

So how does one get in contact with Christian???!

I placed my order for a blank pannel back in Oct. and no word yet.  I have emailed and called with no response 

... get in touch with Mega24, he seems to have Christian's private number.

I think the only way to get in touch with him was to have your funds reversed through paypal or the CC company. Apparently if people did that he would suddenly respond. Seems like he was just leading people on so they would stick out the 45 or 90 day period and after that when recovering the money was no longer an option, Christian would stop answering and just didn't deliver anything. I wonder if that isn't something you can go to jail for.

[quarterback]

A new record shall soon be set :
BYOAC "Sticky" FAQ and bookmarks thread: 22,970 page views
Slik Stik - Any Word: 21,977 page views (and counting).    :notworthy:

FWIW, it's not even in the top ten.    #1 is:

"WOW New LightGUN Info !!! Woot!!! :)"   97978 views

[leapinlew]

The first slikstik thread got PH'd. I don't remember how many page views it had.

[TPB]

it's not even in the top ten.

OK, maybe not a record.

But still pretty impressive, given its popularity shall soon overtake the Official BYOAC, and Sticky, FAQ's and Bookmarks thread.

The first slikstik thread got PH'd. I don't remember how many page views it had.

Exactly,

If you combine the tally with all the prior SlikStik threads that have been "Sent to Hell", I'd be betting it WOULD be the #1 thread.

 

[Mameroom]

Then whose fault is it, Scott?    Whose fault is it that nobody else is getting their panels?   In post after post after post after post you made it 100% clear that if people didn't get their panels, it would be because of this thread.   If/then, if/then, if/then.   You don't have to be a CS major to understand these basic concepts. If "a" happens, then "b" will happen.     IF Fozzy posts, THEN nobody gets what they paid for.

Christian has made it clear that HE is blaming this thread.    You made it clear with post after post after post after post, yet you denied that you were blaming anybody here (YOUR words "I in no way "Blame" anyone here".   So tell us, after all your posts saying it would be the fault of people in this thread, and then denying that you were blaming anyone in this thread, now that it's come to pass (as so many predicted it would) and Christian directly blames Fozzy, whose fault is it that these paying customers don't get their product?

I have tried from the very beginning to let everyone know that I knew what was going to happen...it was a warning.  Not a warning from me, I don't care one way or the other (anymore)...but a warning based on the information that I learned from Chris.  ...see all the flack I took because of it, and noone benefitted.  Kinda frustrating.

to mameroom: i am sorry i had to make this decesion but i can not help support someone who scams people out of their money. if and when you stop using christians panels please let me know and i would be happy to do business with you.

I understand...but be sure to purchase all of your controls from somewhere other than Happ...and make sure the vendor you use, doesn't use Happ controls.  They too (just like us) resell Christians products.  So a boycott of this type may be more ingrained than you think.  I won't call out the SEVERAL other big vendors as they may wish to remain anonymous at this point. 

I'm sure that once Christians new business is up and running, that we will no longer offer The Classic, Co2, or Quad Ultimate controllers.

I think the point that Scott G. was making with the 15%/85% business comments is that Christian's main income does/will come from companies that don't care what anybody on BYOAC thinks.

Yes, exactly what I was trying to convey...sorry if it could be interpreted a different way.

This whole thing is a shame.

[TPB]

I think the only way to get in touch with him was to have your funds reversed through paypal or the CC company. Apparently if people did that he would suddenly respond. Seems like he was just leading people on so they would stick out the 45 or 90 day period and after that when recovering the money was no longer an option, Christian would stop answering and just didn't deliver anything. I wonder if that isn't something you can go to jail for.

Yes ... Christian's delaying tactics are legendary.

Some classic excuses, to name a few :

** Trackballs shortage at Happs.    

** Printing problem with overlays provided my Mamemarquees.    

** Dodgy batch of I-PAC's received from Ultimarc.    

** Holiday season rush period.    

[patrickl]

to mameroom: i am sorry i had to make this decesion but i can not help support someone who scams people out of their money. if and when you stop using christians panels please let me know and i would be happy to do business with you.

I understand...but be sure to purchase all of your controls from somewhere other than Happ...and make sure the vendor you use, doesn't use Happ controls.  They too (just like us) resell Christians products.  So a boycott of this type may be more ingrained than you think.  I won't call out the SEVERAL other big vendors as they may wish to remain anonymous at this point. 

Well I guess he won't be buying slik stik panels from Happ either no.

It's not so much a general boycot of a whole supplier, but to not buy the product from a tainted seller through another channel.

What surprises me is that no one from BYOAC simply takes over this business. Some people here make control panels that are better quality than what Slik Stik offers and I'm sure they could make a nice income based on those prices. I guess no one had realized this was such big business.

[FrizzleFried]

Other than the box,  what does Christian create?  He doesn't do the sticks.  He doesn't do the buttons.  He doesn't do the trackballs.  He doesn't do the encoder.  He doesn't do the artwork. 

So I ask again...other than the stupid wooden boxes,  what does Christian actually PRODUCE that Happ and other vendors want to sell?

If I remember correctly even his spinners are Ultimarc products.

EDIT: It seems that the only thing on HAPP's site that mentions SlikStik is the Tornado Spinner... I am not sure if that is the spinner that they did in conjunction with Ultimarc or not,  but it doesn't matter since the GGG spinner is a much better spinner anyway.

I do admit their spinner tops are nice.

[ArcadEd]

I'd take it on, but I pretty happy where I am at and the console stick market.

Maybe someday, just not anytime soon.  We'll see what happens with this whole mess.

[missioncontrol]

We need a BOYCOTT MAMEROOM <-- "Supporter of Christian and Slikstik's business tactics" signature for people to use over at BYOAC...

Let him see see the pressure the BYOAC community has, maybe then he'll out xtian's new company....

What other businesses do business with Christian and Slikstik?


can someone whip something up in PS?

[Mameroom]

Our original plan was to step up and take over new SS customers by making our own panels (which we did for a short while)...but the amount of work vs. the amount of profit wasn't justified at the time...so why not just distribute.  If mameroom didn't distribute, I'm sure there are plently of people that would have stepped up to do so.  "profit" is not a dirty word, as my father always said...

Granted, that my posting in here has turned a handfull away from my business, but I'm glad I did it...as I am an honest man and would not be honest with myself sitting back WATCHING others push Chris to his limits, knowing full well that people would get screwed in the process.  

..I guess that's my punishment and the price I pay, and I accept it (I Still think I did nothing wrong).

We need a BOYCOTT MAMEROOM <-- "Supporter of Christian and Slikstik's business tactics" signature for people to use over at BYOAC...

...Grab your torch and pitchfork!!!

Let him see see the pressure the BYOAC community has

Power to the people!

...I apoligize to the rest of the forum, but this guy's and idiot (sorry saint, but the truth shall ring free, and LOUD).

[missioncontrol]

Let him see see the pressure the BYOAC community has

Power to the people!

...I apoligize to the rest of the forum, but this guy's and idiot (sorry saint, but the truth shall ring free, and LOUD).

So Scott or shall I say Mameroom LLC... since Scott can claim "protection" by being merely an "employee" of mameroom...because you backed xtian through this whole thread and you didn't like my last comment you decided that I was an idiot... Very classy of you... No worries, you have ensured that I will never become a customer of yours no matter how far you decide to distance yourself from xtian or sliktik..

As far as I'm concerned you are no better than he is.....

[quarterback]

Then whose fault is it, Scott?    Whose fault is it that nobody else is getting their panels?   In post after post after post after post you made it 100% clear that if people didn't get their panels, it would be because of this thread.   If/then, if/then, if/then.   You don't have to be a CS major to understand these basic concepts. If "a" happens, then "b" will happen.     IF Fozzy posts, THEN nobody gets what they paid for.

Christian has made it clear that HE is blaming this thread.    You made it clear with post after post after post after post, yet you denied that you were blaming anybody here (YOUR words "I in no way "Blame" anyone here".   So tell us, after all your posts saying it would be the fault of people in this thread, and then denying that you were blaming anyone in this thread, now that it's come to pass (as so many predicted it would) and Christian directly blames Fozzy, whose fault is it that these paying customers don't get their product?

I have tried from the very beginning to let everyone know that I knew what was going to happen...it was a warning.  Not a warning from me, I don't care one way or the other (anymore)...but a warning based on the information that I learned from Chris.  ...see all the flack I took because of it, and noone benefitted.  Kinda frustrating.

The problem I have is that you are choosing to blame BYOAC members and are NOT blaming Christian.  THAT is an issue for me.  THAT speaks to your character.  THAT tells me more about you, the way you see this situation and how you think it should go than anything else.

You could have said: 
IF Christian wants to prove the naysayer's wrong, THEN he will fulfill the orders.

You could have said: 
IF you want to see that Christian is legitimate, THEN you will see it when he fulfills the orders.

You could have said: 
BECAUSE I know Christian is a good guy, he WILL fulfill the orders.

But instead, you chose to come here and blame the victims, implicitly letting Christian off the hook.  You chose to side with the guy who SOLD these items and then did not deliver.  You chose to speak AGAINST the innocent and FOR the perpetrator.

I said it before and I'll say it again.  Each person is responsible for their own actions.  Christian BLAMING a couple naysayers in a BYOAC thread for NOT fulfilling orders that HE himself was responsible for is RIDICULOUS.    You (Scott) backing him up on that twisted logic is equally ridiculous.   Any reasonable person understands that the way to prove your enemies wrong is TO PROVE THEM WRONG.   Instead, Christian decided to prove them right.  He chose to show the world that he was just as unreasonable as people were saying.  The fact that you supported him in this thread and you continue to support him financially through sales tells everybody more about you than you probably would have hoped.

You still refuse to say whose fault this is.  You stated earlier (despite the fact that I read all of your other posts and see you repeatedly blaming everybody BUT Christian) that you "in no way "Blame" anyone here".  Well, your prediction has come to pass.  Apparantly Christian is NOT going to fulfill the orders that he himself was responsible for generating and for leading on for months at a time.   Now that that has happened, I'd like to hear you clearly state who is responsible for that happening.    You've said it's nobody here at BYOAC.  You haven't said it's Christian's fault.  So whose fault is it?  Somebody is responsible for this happening.  Somebody is responsible for these people getting ripped off.   Who is it?

[FrizzleFried]

Scott,

At first I applauded you stepping up and helping those who got screwed by SS...

...what I think you fail to see is that as of late you seem to be promoting taking the blame off Christian and SS and putting it on US HERE IN THIS FORUM which is complete and utter rubbish. 

The fact that you still consider Chris someone you'd be willing to do ongoing business with is extremely telling.

As an "honest man", why in the hell would you associate yourself with a "dishonest man"?  As an "honest man",  why would you CONTINUE to defend the guy?   As an "honest man" why would  you even want to TOUCH this mess with a 10 foot pole?

You really rub some folks the wrong way by defending the fraudulent tactics of SS and by continuing to put Chris on a pedestal all the while berating those who are GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT!

Do you know SS's website is still up TAKING ORDERS?  Do you support that way of doing business?

At the beginning of this thread I really did think you were out to try to help out the community and perhaps make a couple bucks in the process (nothing wrong with that),  but as of late,  what is coming from you sounds like a Christian - SS spin machine and frankly it's a huge turn off.

Honestly,  I'd never purchase a panel from you anyway,  so you didn't lose a customer in me (I'd rather build my own)....but damn bro,  you are literally coming in here and pissing on  your customer base by defending SS the way you are.

Just my humble opinion.   Good luck bro.

[missioncontrol]

careful Frizzle,

Scott will call you an idiot too....

it appears he's turned to name calling to win his fight.....

[CheffoJeffo]

I have tried from the very beginning to let everyone know that I knew what was going to happen...it was a warning.  Not a warning from me, I don't care one way or the other (anymore)...but a warning based on the information that I learned from Chris.  ...see all the flack I took because of it, and noone benefitted.  Kinda frustrating.

I am truly saddened by this latest development.

MAMERoomScott HAS been very clear that people who continued to post opinions that did not shine favourably upon the HERO would be to blame for people not getting their panels, regardless of how much truth and fact was involved. As the guy who has perhaps been the most outspoken about not trusting SlikStikChristian/Xtian, I feel a little sick about this, even though Xtian/SlikStikChristian decided to single out Fozzy above all others.

I myself asked MAMERoomScott point blank in a PM why it would possibly be that Xtian would hold legitimate, paid customers hostage because he did not like what people like me were saying (even when it was true). I did not get a direct answer to that question, although I did get a response that indicated, clearly, that "he will NOT get people's panels out if he has to pay for them out of his own pocket if his name keeps getting thrown around".

Many of you have noted that I stopped posting regarding Xtian immediately thereafter, as requested.

Sadly, it seems that MaximRecoil was entirely correct in his assessment.

For those of you who are missing orders and whom have crossed the chargeback line, I would recommend taking specific note of the timelines and, in particular, those who told you to sit back and wait -- your banks/legal representatives will want that information (I am not a lawyer and am not involved in any legal claims in this matter, so this should not be construed as legal advice, rather as general advice regarding questions you may be asked in trying to recover your losses).

I am truly sorry that it has come to this and while some may suggest that I, or others like me, have been selfish and brought this misfortune down on everybody, that is simply not the case now, nor has it ever been.

 

[FrizzleFried]

I freely admit I am an idiot (call that a pre-emptive strike I guess).

That doesn't change the fact that MAMEROOM's website now features the entire SS lineup of control panels being actively sold while other prior SS customers are getting the shaft.  How "Honest" is that Scott?   Seriously.

Don't believe me?  Check out http://www.mameroom.com/webstore/productinfo_controllers.asp

They are even selling the overlays with SS logo on them, etc.

So Scott...you're an "honest man"....how can you,  now knowing that SS/Chris doesn't intend to get prior customers their panels,  do business with him and offer his product on your site?  Is that what an "honest man" would do?

[Zakk]

I had my lawyer do some digging.  I have discovered Christiaan's new business. 

[quarterback]

while some may suggest that I, or others like me, have been selfish and brought this misfortune down on everybody, that is simply not the case now, nor has it ever been.

I want to repeat what I've said over and over, which is that it's RIDICULOUS to blame folks like Cheffo and Fozzy for somebody else's decision to take advantage of customers.  Utterly ridiculous.

I also want to echo and extrapolate on something that was said previously by somebody else:   

• It was not UNTIL this thread that people started getting the products they paid for. 
• There is NO indication prior to this thread that Christian was going to make good on these orders.
• Despite efforts to make it seem like this thread was the CAUSE of the problem, there is evidence that it was actually a solution to some people's problems.
• I see NO evidence that this thread was the cause of anybody getting ripped off.  On the contrary, I see evidence that this thread actually GOT some people their product.

So KUDOS to those who posted the truth in this thread, and shame on the people who wish to silence them.

[Mameroom]

People..regarding Scott Glazer/Mameroom Designs LLC...what is so hard to grasp?

-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"?  Does it matter?  Will it get you your money back?  Will it get you your product?

The blame can be put on ECONOMICS (who really cares at this point).

People are so out for blood that they'll settle for Mameroom, since they can't get to SS or Christian...it really is pathetic. 

I do not "Back" christian.  I am taking "His" money.  What is so hard to understand? Everyone seems to think that I'm standing up for him...but because I understand the nature of economics and business and have not jumped on the "kill chris" bandwagon...people have nothing left but to associate me/mameroom with him...pathetic.

If I am rubbing people the wrong way by saying that pissing chris off will not get other's their panels...then I'm I truely am sorry, but...Given that FACT, that certain people in here could care less about whether or not other received their panels...and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen.  Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire.  Selfish.

As for a boycott of my business.  Every time someone posts in this thread, it keeps it at the top of the list which keeps getting indexed by the search engines.  I've had more visitors to my site in the past week than (well, probably ever).  I've made more sales from customer reading about our great products and personal service that really don't care that I distribute another companies products who had questionable tactics.

My presence here was to warn people to help others...now that has been ruined.  I will remain here to defend my Company and my actions...as it has been serving me well to do so.

As for if MY actions are honest....I'm a business man.  Just because some customers had bad experiences with Christian, should everyone that hasn't had problems just drop him?  I was honest with people.  I was honest in letting everyone know that there was a chance...but face it,  no one wanted to listen.

[CheffoJeffo]

-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"?  Does it matter?  Will it get you your money back?  Will it get you your product?

The blame can be put on ECONOMICS (who really cares at this point).

One answer is that I do, because somebody decided to blame me, and others like me, and question our motives in continuing to warn people.

[Zakk]

People..regarding Scott Glazer/Mameroom Designs LLC...what is so hard to grasp?
-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"?  Does it matter?  Will it get you your money back?  Will it get you your product?

The blame can be put on ECONOMICS (who really cares at this point).

WTF??  Ask the guys who are getting shafted "who cares".  Does it matter?  Well scotty, I guess it doesn't damn well matter to you, that's painfully obvious.  You know damn well you would do the same thing, and you have said as much.  I'll tell you what's pathetic...crooks like stango, and their henchmen like you.  People, REAL people got criminally ripped off, and you stand there and say "who cares who's fault it was!"   

I'll tell you what's pathetic, we're looking at it. 

[robbo]

I am new to this board and new to the MAME thing.  The last thing I want is to get involved in a flame war of opinions and ego's.  However I do want to share my experience with both Scott and Christian, so others can form their own opinions based upon facts.

First - Scott.  A friend and I ordered 2 cabinets from him.  Both were shipped immediately and conversations with Scott were very professional and excellent.  The cabinets arrived with a few damaged pieces (from the goons at UPS), Scott immediately and without question sent replacements.  (Sorry the UPS thing is opinion...but seems like half the stuff I get shipped to me from them is damaged by them)...Back to Scott....very nice, professional, repsonsive person.  I would do business with him anytime.

Christian - First let me say that I had zero knowledge of any issues with slik stik or Christian when I placed my order.  If I had read this board before ordering, I probably would have used another company.  
I phoned slik stik on Nov 14 and left a message that I wanted to order 2 control planels.  Christian called me back that evening.  He was very professional, and we talked for a while about what I wanted.  Christian was very clear with me, that it was very unlikely that I would get the panels before Xmas.  He made it a point to explain that I was looking at roughly 6 weeks and he estimated a ship date of early January.  I placed the order with him on Nov 15.  

On December 20th, I sent Christian an email to inquire about status, just to see if by some slim chance I would get the panels before Xmas.  Christian repsonded to my email the same day and once again was very professional and advised we were still on target for early January.

On December 28th a colleague of mine (who I talked into building his own system), asked what Control Panel I went with.  I told him Slik Stik, and he graciously sent me a link to this sight.  To say the least, I was shocked.  I phoned Christian and left a very simple message that I had a question about my order (I did not mention anything about this forum).  Christian called me back the same day, and we talked for a while, discussed this forum, and I expressed some concern.  He assured me we were on track for an early january ship date.  

On January 2, Christian phoned and emailed me the tracking number for 1 of the panels.  he explained that the second panel was waiting on one more part that was due in the next day.  On January 3 Christian emailed me the second tracking number.

Both panels have arrived, and cosmetically are flawless.  They are exactly what I ordered, and from the initial testing I have done..both appear 100% functional.

Would I order form Christian again, absolutely.  He was always professional, always ressponsive, and shipped exactly when he said he would.  

Like I mentioned in the beginning, I do not want to get into a fight with anyone.  I just wanted to share my experience and how I was treated as a customer.  

From reading this board, I did alot of worrying for nothing.  

[FrizzleFried]

I do not "Back" christian.  I am taking "His" money. 

NO!  You are taking the money of folks who paid for panels they didn't get!  And to do so is DISHONEST.  An HONEST man wouldn't do such a thing.

What is so hard to understand? Everyone seems to think that I'm standing up for him...but because I understand the nature of economics and business and have not jumped on the "kill chris" bandwagon...people have nothing left but to associate me/mameroom with him...pathetic.

No...we hoped that you,  being an HONEST MAN wouldn't associate with a dishonest man once it was clear that man was dishonest and wasn't planning on suddenly becoming honest.

If I am rubbing people the wrong way by saying that pissing chris off will not get other's their panels...then I'm I truely am sorry, but...Given that FACT, that certain people in here could care less about whether or not other received their panels...and the FACT that Chris publicly (even though through a 3rd party) stated that this was the EXACT reason for not doing was I knew would happen.  Let's say I blame them for DELIBERATELY pissing chris off enough to not fullfill his promise to get people's products out...but we ALL know that's what they wanted from the beginning to add fuel to THEIR fire.  Selfish.

And you are calling US PATHETIC?   

As for a boycott of my business.  Every time someone posts in this thread, it keeps it at the top of the list which keeps getting indexed by the search engines.  I've had more visitors to my site in the past week than (well, probably ever).  I've made more sales from customer reading about our great products and personal service that really don't care that I distribute another companies products who had questionable tactics.

So much for the "honest man" claim. 

My presence here was to warn people to help others...no that has been ruined.  I will remain here to defend my Company and my actions...as it has been serving me well to do so.

No...your presence here was to make a buck.  Your true colors are shining through.  Bravo!

As for if MY actions are honest....I'm a business man.

Then why LIE and say you're an "honest man"?  Why not just come out and be "HONEST" and say it's about the dough?


I know as an HONEST MAN myself,  I'd not want to associate with a DISHONEST company,  but I guess thats the "idiot" in me.   Thanks for clarifying exactly where yous stand (finally).  It's all about the greenbacks.

 

[patrickl]

-Why is everyone so interested in "where's the blame"?  Does it matter?  Will it get you your money back?  Will it get you your product?

That has do be the most ridiculous statement in this thread

People who steal (or are accomplices in theft) should go to jail. That's why they need to be blamed. At the very least other people need to be warned about the thief so he won't steal from people again.

[Vincent]

I'm new hear, thanks for the information. Forums like these are nice and valuable. I am sorry though about the people that didn't get their products.

Isn't what Slikstick are doing now seeing as their site is up and taking orders an offence. If they have folded as a company aren't they now trading insolvent? This at least over here in Australia is quite serious.

[TPB]

sitting back WATCHING others push Chris to his limits

Oh, that poor fellow, how we feel for him ...

What about the LIMITS that have plumbed for the past 12 months, by the people who've been SCREWED of their money ?? :

I placed my order in March of 2007 and never received my panel.  For those of you that have recently received your panels, did Christian contact you out of the blue and tell you he was going to get it out?  If he contacted you, what method did he use: telephone, letter, email?  If you contacted him, how was it that you made contact with him?  If you telephoned him, what number did you call?  If you emailed him, what address did you use?  My last contact with SlikStik was on October 2, 2007.  My story was posted much earlier in this thread.  I was calling almost everyday and emailing with no repsonse.

Scott, maybe you also have an opinion on this, given Christian is your best buddy :

...and why is SLIKSTIK.COM still up and accepting orders?

Scott, I don't agree with any boycotts against your business in general, but I can't see the SlikStik line of panels being a winner for your reputation.

Especially with your distasteful defence of Christian, and your justification of his scamming people money :

The fact of the matter is...whether Chris is or was just an employee (which is my understanding) or a partner, or even the owner of SlikStik LLC...It is an LLC which protects him personally...unless you wrote a check out to "Christian S" directly.  I know this, because I have several LLCs set up by my attorney and business consultant for this very reason.

Oh, so you believe it's OK for LLC's to scam people's money, do you ??

Geez ...

That just "fills you with confidence" in placing an order with Mameroom Designs LLC, for a SlikStik panel, manufactured by Christian ...

As for why someone should order from Mameroom even if they come from Christian...In the event that the panels we offer are not available from the original manufacturer, Mameroom will manufacture them ourselves, thus the ability to "guarantee" to get a panel out.  If not from him, from us.  

Given your distasteful defence of Christian's business practices that have left people "high and dry", people may start to question your ethics, and the value of YOUR OWN "guarantee".

You'd be best advised to scupper this misguided business venture with Christian, while you're still ahead.

[Mameroom]

The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?

[patrickl]

Just get lost with your extortion nonsense. You want people here to hush about a scammer becuase he's is claiming that otherwise he won't help the people he scammed.

[Sir Auros]

So Scott...you're an "honest man"....how can you,  now knowing that SS/Chris doesn't intend to get prior customers their panels,  do business with him and offer his product on your site?  Is that what an "honest man" would do?

Scott's clearly not the honest man he claims to be if he really thinks it's a-effing-ok to take peoples' money and not deliver the product because you're legally protected from having to deliver.

[Mameroom]

As for my ethics...MY customers mean 100% to me....let me repeat that....MY customers come first.  If you order through Mameroom...satisfaction is guaranteed.  Blowing my own horn, have you heard of a dissatisfied Mameroom customer?

If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service.  Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.

[FrizzleFried]

The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?

Sure wasn't SS or YOU... 

[Mameroom]

Sure wasn't SS or YOU...

My thoughts exatly...it was the people that didn't get their panels.

[FrizzleFried]

As for my ethics...MY customers mean 100% to me....let me repeat that....MY customers come first.  If you order through Mameroom...satisfaction is guaranteed.  Blowing my own horn, have you heard of a dissatisfied Mameroom customer?

If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service.  Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.

But its OK for you to take SS/Chis money knowing full well that HIS/THEIR customers got ---fouled up beyond all recognition---?  Nice.  You truly are a --cream-filled twinkie-- of the highest order.

[Mameroom]

Just get lost with your extortion nonsense. You want people here to hush about a scammer becuase he's is claiming that otherwise he won't help the people he scammed.

No, I wanted to warn people that Chris was getting close to backing out of what he said he would do...but everyone wants blood and mine appears to be what they are getting. 

[CheffoJeffo]

The problem with "free speech" is that it can sometimes hurt people, who does everyone think got hurt in this one?

Um the people who got hurt here, weren't hurt by free speech, they were hurt by somebody taking their money and not delivering their goods. And then again by somebody telling them to wait it out and not process chargebacks or pursue legal options.

If you want to continue with the "free speech denied you your panel" crap, then at least sack up and say who exactly you blame for people not getting their panels.

You have been dancing around it and have implicated innocent people in it, but you refuse to actually say it.

So, WHO is at fault here ?

[CheffoJeffo]

No, I wanted to warn people that Chris was getting close to backing out of what he said he would do

For posterity ...

[Mameroom]

Well, didn't other vendors publicly state (In here) that they TOO are doing business with Chris...because I'm in the crosshairs...I'm a --meecrob-bag---?

What about the people that posted that they ordered (after the SS problems) and got their products...they got a congrats!

I'm just a --meecrob-bag--- ....that's cool.

[Sir Auros]

If people don't want to buy mameroom products for reasons other than quality and customer service.  Don't kid yourself...we didn't have your business to begin with.

You certainly lost mine. I was thinking of upgrading my current panel with a modified quad from you (before you started dishing out your oh-so-wise advice), but knowing the source of your products? Don't think so.

Also, how stupid are you to blame US for a decision that was Christian's and Christian's alone? It was a really effing immature decision, at that.