Slik Stik - Any Word

[CheffoJeffo]

To be fair, I think that Xtian may be reaping what he sowed with respect to personal attacks.

Although it seems that nobody twigged on the tongue-in-cheek 'AYOAC' joke, Xtian has done more than his fair share of being belligerent and picking fights with people here (not me that I can recall) and some folks have long memories (this stuff goes back to the OLD BYOAC forums).

Just saying that it's not as one-sided as it may appear.

[Mameroom]

Again, I agree 100%.  He may be reaping reaping what he sewed   Yes, he deserves every bit of "flame" in here....

...if it continues, it will be business as usual for Chris, but people may not get their panels.

My point...Chris will succeed at his new business regardless of what happens in here.  The question is whether or not people in here will get their panels in the process.  The continuing flamewar will ensure that they do not.

I don't want to see that happen.

[Popcorrin]

I am really annoyed by the way Scott at Mameroom is coming across here.

Basically you are telling everybody to shut up if they know what's good for them.
 For the most part, everybody here has been very detailed on their criticism of SlikStik and very few personal attacks have been made.    And the criticism is more than warranted. 

But you are telling everybody that if the criticism continues they might not get their panels, even the people that haven't criticized. 
To me that actually warrants more criticism, and I think it is very bad tactic on your part to come in here and say that.  You do business with him, has he told you personally that if the criticism continues he is not going to honor his word? 

If I had done business with someone and I got jerked around the way some have here I would be sure to let everyone know.  Even if it ruined the slim chances of things working out.  I would hate to see more people fall victim.

If noone had criticized in the first place, I don't think anyone at all would have gotten their panels.  Slikstik probably would have went on business as usual while the customer took it in the you know where.  For once it's nice to see some results due to some customers getting together and taking action.


Also I hate the way LLC's are used by people to avoid having to pay their debts.  I think it can be criminal.  There are too many ways in this country for people without scruples to get away with crimes and still be protected by the law.  It's ridiculous.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

The question is whether or not people in here will get their panels in the process.  The continuing flamewar will ensure that they do not.

You're saying that people aren't going to get their panels if this guys logs onto this forum and reads comments that are somehow negative in nature to him and his reputation? Here's an idea - maybe this guy should take a frigging break from the Internet for a couple months and get people the panels they ordered and effing paid for made. I'm stunned that anyone has the audacity to stick up for this ---tallywhacker---, much less tell people whose money he's stolen to STFU and maybe - maybe! - you'll get what you ordered. If, you know, you're not damaging what's left of his reputation on a bulletin board. Because in that case you're not getting your stuff due to laziness and incompetence, but spite.

This has been going on for how many weeks and months after they stopped taking orders? He could be finishing two panels a day -- at least -- and be done with this by now, but apparently it cuts into the time he spends doing vanity searches for himself on the Internet and then cross-referencing those horrible BYOAC posters with his football-field-long list of orders he can't be bothered to ship. I imagine smoke blowing out his ears right now as he flips his keyboard and attempts to see if "I.C. Jonsey" gave him thousands of dollars at some point, because man, that a-hole Jones will never get anything shipped to him now (which  wouldn't separate me from the hundreds of other people he's screwed, I guess I would just get extra-nothing, natch). 

My point...Chris will succeed at his new business regardless of what happens in here.

Hahaha, what? He'll succeed at his new business? Like the stellar job he did with SlikStick? How do you do any worse a job without your product killing people? How is he improving his new business plan? He mastered the "create something and take money" part, sure.  I suppose to really streamline the process he could eliminate the "create something" bit, and just whip up something that those stupid arcade fans will buy through Photoshop.

That would leave him more time to create a Santa Clausesque list of who is naughty and who is nice. The ones who are nice to him can, like, fail to get their stuff sooner. He should offer free shipping on the stuff he's not going to send out to really separate himself from the other vendors.


The hell are you sticking up for this clown, anyway?

[polaris]

can someone clarify this for me.

you order a panel from slikstik.
they have difficulties and you dont get your panel, but they are still trading.
some guy leaves the company and decides to make good out of his own pocket on his ex employers backorders.
does that mean you can still try and get a refund from slikstik.
some random guy sending you something through the post should have no impact on the contract between the individual buyer and slikstik.

or is at all just BS,  i cant decide

[Havok]

can someone clarify this for me.
some guy leaves the company and decides to make good out of his own pocket on his ex employers backorders.

It seems fairly clear to me - officially he was an employee, but guess who is most likely legally liable... that's right, the same guy. Ex employee? Yeah... Right.... I think that's why he is being so "generous" right now and finally doing what he should have done before - deliver on something he collected money for. It appears to me that the guy finally wised up and woke up one day - crap! I'm going to court if I don't deliver what I promised to most of these people!

[Comp1demon]

WOW, What a thread...

Im not super active here anymore - sincce my cabnet is about finished (software is all thats left) and I only check out other peoples stuff and then show it off to my wife so I can beg her to let me build another one...

Scott from Mameroom - WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!?  - Dude I bought my cabinet from you - Talked to you on the phone, through email - ect... ect.. You have been one of the best people that helped me with my cabinet.... You even sent me free wood pieces when my drill went haywire (maybe that was me with the drill) anyways.....  Dude You business its TOPS - I don't know where you stand Financially - or whatever - not do I or others care. (obviously its none of our business).  While I respect your opinion about a subject and topic - and I think you have everyright to voice them - not everyone is going to agree with you (right or wrong) and that is going to hurt your business..... While I think that Posting as Owner of MAMEROOM make you look more creditable and gives your opinion more weight with those who understand the position you are taking, explaining, defending...ect... Those who don't like it are going to associate this issue, problem - with you and it MIGHT hurt you.  I think you would have been better off posting your opinions/rants as just another user...  Don't lay your business reputation on the line.  IT's kind of hippocritical... You explain the purpose of the LLC and the difference in Personal from Business (LLC).  You tell people to stop knocking Chris personally but to rant about slickstik as a company - yet you the OWNER OF MAMAEROOM are Personally coming out and voicing your opinions as SCOTT - not as MAMEROOM - but hide behind it.  It's kind of the same thing as the posters here are doing.  They are taking pop shots at Chris and not Slikstik - You are taking shots at the Posters as Scott not as MAMEROOM, yet you use it to let people know who you are. 

Im no one special - but I am Kris and These are my opinions on the matter, I don't have a Moniker, LLC or anything else to make me more than just Kris.  And while my opinions might not matter as I am still very much a NEWB when it comes to Arcade Cabs I do know something about business, Forums and communitys.

You say this Forum don't even account for 15% of overall sales for Slikstik.  Well I spent $1400+ for my Slikstick last year - 15% of that is $210.  Thats quite a bit of cash.  Take 15% of the amount of memebers here who even spend $1.00 at slikstick and thats alot of cash - they would have been in trouble with cash alot earlier if not for communitys like this.

Forums are a double edge sword.  They are communitys of people with similar interest all tring to help each other, but everyone still has a right and wrong way of doing something, how and where or who to buy from.  Communitys like this can extend into the reputation of a business well beyond just the forum itself.  Word of mouth is very popular, as well as those who are here and also run their own sites and hobbiest communitys that have simmilar interst or that  cross paths with BYOAC.  That 15% is probibly more like 25%.  SLikstik exisist because of communitys like BYOAC.

It is also hard being a vendor and being on a forum or community like this.  You take more heat than just a standard user for an issue or annoyance that a user might have.  It can hurt you more in your pocket than in repuatation if you mess up.  Where if someone like Zakk or Drewcarry tell someone something that don't work out for them - while it may hurt their reputation on the board for a little bit - it will blow over, where if a vendor is wrong - the users make sure the community never forgets and causes members to think twice.

I did not read this whole tread, I don't really have any clue what going on with skikstik and chris or anyone else associated with that business, I have an Idea from the past few pages - after I made my post and few pages before.  From what I get - weather its a Guy on his own from Slikstik or slikstik as a company - things are not good.  People are mad, people are getting screwed, waiting long periods of time (nothing new there) and are getting or having issues with products.  Thats business......  When you are someone like Chris - who is a face of the LLC, people will attack him and not the LLC - he is(was) the LLC basicly and while on papaer and according to law are seperate entities, they are the same.  If I dissagree with Microsoft - I have the right to blame Bill Gates, if i have a problem with apple, I have the right to attack Steve Jobs, if my mameroom arcade cabinet pieces come broken or missing, I have the right to blame you, If my slikstik is messsed up i have the right to blame chris or whoever - You get the idea.  Some companies don't have Faces and thats a good thing - When a SOny product breaks - people blame Sony, when AOL sucks people blame time warner - not every company has a famous or single face associated with it - but in nitche areas of the hobby like this - people are as front and center as the name of the company they advertise.

I respect all your (Scott) opinions and I think you are right in some areas and not so in others - just as you probibly don't agree with some, all or anything I am saying here.  I think it would have been better to just HELP THIS GUY OUT WITH HIS PROBLEM, talk about slikstik experiences and let the thread die or evolve past this....

My slikstik experince sucked too.... I didn't attack anyone personally - just said I spent alot of cash, got the wrong thing and waited forever and got no customer serive.. Thats my experience - I did nothing wrong.

Dude (not scott) I will say it again, your control pannel is nice - Fix the corner if you can - the people here are tops - everyone here is good at this hobby and they all know what they are talking about. 

Slikstik - I hope they don't go away - Even though they are slow, sometimes stupid and expensive - they provide a service that is really helpful to newb or lazy hobbiest, and their products are really top notch. I got the wrong layout and I settles for it - I could have gone one and got it fixed - but one year later - I am happy with it.  Next time (and scott I will be coming back to you) once I convince my wife to let me, I will attempt my own CP (though i think I will still have the Blank made for me - im not good at woodcraft).

Back to Scott from Mameroom.....  maybe you should consider tring to replace slikstik (instead of buying them).  Your cabinets rock and i don't know if your control panel blanks are from you or outsourced (from slikstik) - but im sure you have the capability to do them (just as good if not better) - after buying a cabinet from you (UACII)- and getting the support you gave me - I would buy a control panel blank or even a fullly working panel from you anytime - Im sure it would come out better than slikstik and be alot faster.

PS: I live down the block from Dreamauthentics - I'm gonna try to take a tour of there and let you all know how it works there.
PPS: hey Scott you never added my cabinet to you rgallery - I submitted months ago!

[Sir Auros]

I wish Scott'd tell us the name of Christian's new company so we can get the word out now. Seriously, defending a guy who lies to his customers about the status of their orders for months, and deep problems with this community for years? Doesn't make me think much of you as a vendor, either.

I've never been a SlikStik customer, because of that and I built my own arcade controls.

[Mameroom]

I only want to see people get their merchandise.

[Orclord]

As we all do....

When you say 15% of business comes from the BYOAC forums and inferring that is really not a lot, don't forget there are many lurkers (Like me) who do not post much here but have a hand in other forums and sites....

So 15% from BYOAC+ the knockon effect is I think gonna be quite a bit more.....

As for the personnal attacks on Christian all I will say is, If you choose to be the "Public" face of the company and put yourself in the firing line, then expect to get shot at.....

I worked as an engineer for a gas company.....I was the person who was the public face....Now if the job I done was OK said company would get a good name and as you well know word of mouth is king....


However if the customer had a bad expeience with said company say the billing side and I show up, Me being the public face caught their full blown anger to the extent of having a knife pulled on me once and a shotgun shoved in my face......

So if you are the public face of a company that constantly pisses people off you are gonna get it in the neck and you should expect it.....*Especially* when you have *personally* told people a bunch of fairy tales

As for not fulfilling the orders of the people who have slagged him off....Sheesh...How old is he ?

I will continue to advise people not to touch SlikStik with a barge pole.....

This is a small community and shite sticks......Look at Foley.....*Spits*

[Mameroom]

I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount.  My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.

I also am not hiding behind my company's reputation.  Although this is me (Scott)  voicing my opinions, and often mention my company Mameroom...it really is one and the same.  I know all to well that this forum will attach my company to me and this thread the instant things start to go sour.  That being said, what does everyone think my motive is?  Why would I put my company name on the line to post in here?

One could say that I am risking my reputation (company rep) to stick up for Chris...one could also say that I am putting myself at risk trying to keep the peace so customers still get what they paid for...

Both are true.  I have several customers from this board/thread that have contacted me because they cannot get a refund from their cc company and have not heard anything from SlikStik.  I am sticking my own neck out here to say that there is a chance for them.  It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people.  And I think that is selfish....those people are the ones that have NO RIGHT to take the soap box.  Those people are the ones that need something to gripe about, regardless of what it is.  I think it is wrong.

There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am refering to the members that aren't even SS customers) need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive?  You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...

It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit.  I tried, but it's not worth it to me to see my company shed in a negative light when trying to get them their products.  I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.

[Tiger-Heli]

I think Comp1Demon has the best comments in this thread recently.

It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people.

There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am refering to the members that aren't even SS customers) need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive?  You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...

Well - I guess the above would be me - never purchased anything from SS and chiming in.

First off - what we post here will not ruin it for the people waiting on panels.  If Chris makes right and gets SS back in shape and honors his obligations or does so with his own new company that's fine.  If he doesn't do so - it won't be b/c of a few comments on these boards.  (Now if you mean that by posting here he might lose new orders which means he won't have funding to complete the existing orders, that could be, but he shouldn't have gotten into that business model to start with.)

I see your point, but don't really want to argue it further here.

As for my motives - I have been around long enough to see some of the personal attacks on other vendors by SS and the people complaining about not receiving products, shoddy wormanship, etc.  (Going back to an initial review of a panel with wires disconnected/damage in shipping, when the only real competitors were HotRod, X-Arcade (I think they were already around), SlickStick and a company that is gone called Stick-It).  I, like you, hope that Xtian makes right and turns his ship around and starts delivering on his promises - but unlike you, I'm not holding my breath.  And I am adding my post in the thread, b/c newbs will read this and think:
Customer A got ripped off
Customer B got their product
Customer C did not get their product but wants to give SS a second chance
Poster X and Y says SS has had plenty of chances and has not changed their ways yet.
Poster Z is a vendor and says he thinks SS will turn this around.

And I am just adding my voice to the Poster X and Y comments to give them more weight (I don't think adding a poll - give them a 2nd chance/ don't give them a 2nd chance is a good solution).

...so I will stop posting on this matter for awhile as It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit.  I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.

I realize you may want to respond to my comments, but I think the above is your best course of action.
As I understand it, you are both a supplier and a competitor of SlickStik's.

He will continue to receive business from Mameroom (and others as I don't want to call them out if they don't want the attention that I have now focused on my company).

We can create Slikstik style panels, our current style panels, and we will even begin manufacturing completely custom panels.

If Xtian is successful with his new company, you will hopefully still be a supplier to him but will have new competition for your own products, but everyone will be better, and while I am highly skeptical, this is what I would like to see happen as well.  If Xtian is unsuccessful in his new business (which I would guess, but that's beside the point), you will have lost one of your customers but will be able to garner new customers from people who would have previously purchased from Xtian.  However - if his current SS and/or new business ends badly - you will undoubtedly lose a fair amount of sales from customers that remember your support of SS/Xtian and unfairly want to "tar you with the same brush".

Just my 2-cents, FWIW!!!!

[Orclord]

I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount.  My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.

I hope he does and becomes successful...

But he will have to work bloody hard to shake the Slikstik Albatros that's around his neck....

One cockup and bam...Back to square one with a lot of "I told you so's" along the way....

It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit.  I tried, but it's not worth it to me to see my company shed in a negative light when trying to get them their products.  I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.

Ever tried to break up a fight in real life ?

No matter how Noble your intentions you always end up getting dragged into it and a few punches come your way...

I have never ordered anything from SlikStik...But being as I advise people..If I failed to mention what is going on and they ordered from them and crap happened.....They are going to say "why didn't you warn me" and shite is gonna come my way.....

I have never personally slated Christian only SlikStik.....All I was saying if Christian puts himself in this position then he has got to expect some personal attacks, even though they really do not solve anything..

Anyway back to lurking....

[Xam]

I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount.  My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.

I also am not hiding behind my company's reputation.  Although this is me (Scott)  voicing my opinions, and often mention my company Mameroom...it really is one and the same.  I know all to well that this forum will attach my company to me and this thread the instant things start to go sour.  That being said, what does everyone think my motive is?  Why would I put my company name on the line to post in here?

One could say that I am risking my reputation (company rep) to stick up for Chris...one could also say that I am putting myself at risk trying to keep the peace so customers still get what they paid for...

Both are true.  I have several customers from this board/thread that have contacted me because they cannot get a refund from their cc company and have not heard anything from SlikStik.  I am sticking my own neck out here to say that there is a chance for them.  It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people.  And I think that is selfish....those people are the ones that have NO RIGHT to take the soap box.  Those people are the ones that need something to gripe about, regardless of what it is.  I think it is wrong.

There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am refering to the members that aren't even SS customers) need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive?  You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...

It's apparant that me getting in the middle here just has no merit.  I tried, but it's not worth it to me to see my company shed in a negative light when trying to get them their products.  I really just wanted to do what I could to see everyone get something out of this mess.

Scott,

This community may only account for 15% of SS business...but the members here know many people outside the forums...How many sales did SS lose because people on this board told their friends to avoid SS? I currently have 3 people wanting me to build cabinets for them and though I have not personally dealt with SS or Christian, I will not buy parts from SS or any company Christian is associated with. Look through the forums, you can read all about Christian's exploits. I will only say that Christian needs to take a class in customer relations if he expects to succeed. You cannot constantly PO customers in a niche market such as this and expect to succeed.

I wish him the best. I hope he does make good on his promise. I know the people here will only believe it when it happens.

Just my 2 cents...

Xam

[MaximRecoil]

I did not mean to make light of the 15% coming from this forum...that is a significant amount.  My point is that 15% is not enough to keep someone from starting a new business...thus, he will suceed in starting a new business regardless of what happens in here.

I didn't realize you were a prophet. Could I trouble you for some lottery numbers?

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

Language, rules, rules, rules... *sigh* Post modified. If you think I've mangled it feel free to fix it without the sexual references.

Both are true.  I have several customers from this board/thread that have contacted me because they cannot get a refund from their cc company and have not heard anything from SlikStik.  I am sticking my own neck out here to say that there is a chance for them.  It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people.  And I think that is selfish....

So let's sum up.

Posting that Christian Stango from SlikStick is a thief, as well as condescending human garbage - bad.
Expressing that opinion when he has stolen from the arcade community - bad.
Expressing that opinion when he has condescended to his actual customers - bad.

Taking thousands of dollars from people and providing nothing in return - understandable.
Shipping things out only when the state attorney gets involved - defensible.
Being a petulant chunk of trash that is going to stop sending out orders (even though he wasn't sending anything out to begin with) because he's getting called out on his fourth grader's mentality of how business works - no problem here.

He deserves every bit of abuse he receives, and more. I will do everything possible to spread the word that this company, and whatever new venture he decides to put forth in order to screw over the community, is run by a no-character thief.

Those people are the ones that have NO RIGHT to take the soap box. 

Agreed! And the gal in New Jersey taking everyone's info to go after this clownshoe has NO RIGHT to do this because she personally didn't attempt to buy anything from SlikStick! This is complete BS!

Furthermore, the cops and judges and prosecutors have NO RIGHT to bring people arrested for murder before 12 people who weren't even there and probably selected at random through a computer. It should be up to the murdered guy himself to get involved and get active. And even then, the murdered guy should shut up, because otherwise things might go really bad for him!

What are you, fricking five years old? People were calm when they were actually getting their stuff. As soon as they weren't, everyone started to casually wonder what was up. Nobody's been given more time and patience than Slikstick.

Those people are the ones that need something to gripe about, regardless of what it is.  I think it is wrong.

I think it's wrong to steal from people, lie to them and then pretend like you were totally going to send stuff out and make right, except for those nasty internet trolls. I know the law is the last resort for suckers, but I'm pretty sure mail fraud is a crime and browsacking thieves on the Internet through forum posts isn't.

There is a chance for everyone to get what they paid for...

Hahahah! Yeah! There is a great chance! If only we'd all shut up! He did such a great job moving product before he got called out, after all. Edit by saint, sexual reference removed

and because a few loose cannons (Yes, I am referring to the members that aren't even SS customers)

For the record, this will ultimately include everyone, because no sane person would ever order from him again.

need to be heard over and over and over and over and over and over...what exactly is YOUR motive? 

To stop people from losing thousands of dollars when they are trying to get involved in their hobby, which is supposed to be relaxing and fun. There is my motivation. I've seen guys get crapped upon time and time again because they like old arcade games and it makes me sick to death. Those worthless a-holes from the King of Kong stick a camera in front of Mark Alpiger - a nice guy by anyone's standards - and then try to make him look like a freak by releasing a cut-up hatchet job on him. Ho, ho, ho, retro gamers sure are a bunch of dumb rubes. I'm a little sick of seeing one guy after another attempt to shove his junk in our collective faces, and as far as I am concerned the least I can do is call out the pieces of crap trying to take advantage of everyone. 

You are screwing these people just as much as SS, whether you know it or not...and YES, I do have information and a reason for telling people to "relax" for a little while...but we all know that's not going to happen...

Of course not. Maybe for your next business venture you can get in tight with Ken Lay, Matt Millen and the Axeman of New Orleans. I'm hoping for a train wreck so massive it takes out the moon. Don't disappoint!

You're not a bad guy. Can't you see Stango is using you? I would never boycott your stuff or tell anyone else to, because you at least have a human soul and are trying to do the right thing. Cut this guy loose, he's just trying to slather his snake oil and taint all over you.

[surf]

I purchased a Classic Unit from SlikStik, albet it was 4 years ago...  It arrived sooner than expected, came with free pinball buttons and they even sent me a free trackball light after the panel arrived because they were having a sale and I bought before then...

When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards, but I was given a personal cell number, and they helped me get it right...

The quality of these panels are unmatched (knock on wood) I haven't had a single problem in 4 years!

I hope that Slikstik can work out it's problems, because they really do (did) produce a high quality product!

Just my two cents on how the company USED to be, and hopefully will be again...

[quarterback]

I am not a customer of SlikStik, nor will I ever be, but I really can't believe these posts from Mameroom/Scott somehow transferring responsibility from Christian/Slikstik to people here on BYOAC.  These statements and accusations are completely stunning to me.  I can't believe that anybody would have the gall to come bere and make repeated statements not just implying but literally stating as fact that people getting ripped off by a company have only vocal BYOAC members to blame.

if you are not a customer, then you are hurting everyone else's chances. 

the only thing people of this forum are doing, is limiting the chance for Chris to make good on what he offered, and really screwing people that Chris is trying to make good with.

people will lose if it keeps going in this direction...Unfortuantely for the people attacking Chris personally...it won't be Chris that looses.

By slamming Chris, you will be depriving many of what it is that everyone is seeking in here. 

There is one and only ONE thing left that can happen as a result of a continued tirade...people will lose

...if it continues, it will be business as usual for Chris, but people may not get their panels.

The question is whether or not people in here will get their panels in the process.  The continuing flamewar will ensure that they do not.

It's the MANY members here that either RECEIVED their merchandise, or NEVER purchased anything from SlikStik chiming in or leading a tirade that will ruin it for these people. 

You are screwing these people just as much as SS

Christian will either do the right thing, or he won't.   If he chooses to NOT do the right thing and to somehow claim that it's this thread's fault is ridiculous.  And for you to come in here and repeatedly blame vocal members of this community for somebody ELSE'S fraudulent behavior is extremely disturbing.

It's inevitable that there are going to be some purchasers who don't get complete customer satisfaction and, frankly, it makes me sick to my stomach that you would blame posters in this thread for that.

[Tiger-Heli]

When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards...
The quality of these panels are unmatched ...

The two statements above don't jive with me?   

[Mameroom]

Wait a minute...I think people are misinterpreting my posts.  I in no way "Blame" anyone here.  They RIGHTFULLY posted their grievences. 

I want to be clear on this.  I AM IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM telling people they are wrong in posting about their experience with slikstik...either directly or indirectly.  I merely wanted to convey that it's the people that never even purchased anything from SS that read what others are going through and talk trash about something they don't have the personal experience to back what they are saying.

If it sounded like I was trying to put a few fires out (walk on a some eggshells for awhile for the greater good) so people can at least get their stuff, then yes...I'm guilty.

If I didn't care about customers getting their stuff...I wouldn't be here, obviously risking my name to do so.  Mameroom has nothing to do with any of this and won't be affected one way or the other if Chris decides to fullfill orders out of his own pocket or not...again, I'm only doing what I personally feel will make this situation right for the people still waiting for their products. 

I know the idea of letting things be for awhile is hard to fathom...but it almost appears like some people in here really don't want customers to get their panels from Chris, just so they can prove their points about Chris...THAT is what I think is wrong....but again, it's not worth stepping in the middle of this, just thought I'd try to find a resolve.

[Hoopz]

When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards...
The quality of these panels are unmatched ...

The two statements above don't jive with me?   

I read it that the physical construction of the panel itself was good.   

[CheffoJeffo]

but it almost appears like some people in here really don't want customers to get their panels from Chris, just so they can prove their points about Chris...THAT is what I think is wrong.

I think that is exactly the part that people have a problem with -- you *are* saying that people who post here, but who haven't be burned by SlikStik, are going to cost the others their stuff, so you apparently *are* blaming (and ascribing nefarious motives to) folks like me who have been very vocal because, somehow, our opinions are going to cause Christian to not make things right.

I tried to take this out of the thread last night because I really don't understand the "you guys [who haven't been burned] should stop saying [nasty] stuff, even if it is true, or Christian won't make nice" aspect of this and wanted to understand instead of continuing to bash the ball around in this thread.

After all, if Christian is actually going to let my expression of my personal opinions stand between him and making things right with people who are completely unrelated to me, then are those opinions really that far off the mark ?

 

[EDIT]: To correct my questionable characterization of Scott's position.

[Ice Cream Jonsey]

After all, if Christian is actually going to let my expression of my personal opinions stand between him and making things right with people who are completely unrelated to me, then are those opinions really that far off the mark ?

I just like the visual that he is apparently dragging himself out of bed at two in the afternoon, firing up a browser, coming over to this thread and then jotting down hashmarks in a "Don't Work Today" column versus "Actually Build Stuff" column. Then telling poor Scott, after adding up both columns, that there will be no control panels built today.

A buddy of mine used to be a substitute teacher and he wouldn't know if he was working in a given day until five in the morning, when the auto-ringer would dial and he could then pick up and register himself to take a class for a teacher that called in sick. I guess it's sort of the same way with SlikStick. They were probably crapping their pants when M37R01D came out in support for a few posts in a row, scrambling to find trackballs and microswitches, only to shove what they were working on off the table and into the circular file when a few other guys posted and went the other way with some justified negativity.

[Sir Auros]

I think this thread has probably run its course, but it shouldn't be swept under the rug so a new one starts up whenever Christian's new company starts to not fulfill orders. Lock and sticky, maybe?

[M37R01D]

Wait a minute...I think people are misinterpreting my posts.  I in no way "Blame" anyone here.  They RIGHTFULLY posted their grievences. 

I want to be clear on this.  I AM IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM telling people they are wrong in posting about their experience with slikstik...either directly or indirectly.  I merely wanted to convey that it's the people that never even purchased anything from SS that read what others are going through and talk trash about something they don't have the personal experience to back what they are saying.

If it sounded like I was trying to put a few fires out (walk on a some eggshells for awhile for the greater good) so people can at least get their stuff, then yes...I'm guilty.

If I didn't care about customers getting their stuff...I wouldn't be here, obviously risking my name to do so.  Mameroom has nothing to do with any of this and won't be affected one way or the other if Chris decides to fullfill orders out of his own pocket or not...again, I'm only doing what I personally feel will make this situation right for the people still waiting for their products. 

I know the idea of letting things be for awhile is hard to fathom...but it almost appears like some people in here really don't want customers to get their panels from Chris, just so they can prove their points about Chris...THAT is what I think is wrong....but again, it's not worth stepping in the middle of this, just thought I'd try to find a resolve.

Scott no matter how you put it, these people wont understand. If you voice your opinion or give strait facts, they dont care. As you said, they just want to be right, and cant accept the fact that they could be wrong.

As Scott said, to make it worse, Chris is doing things out of his own pocket right now, DOES HE HAVE TO? NO, NOT AT ALL. Could he say you know what, f*ck these ppl. He sure can!!! After reading all this crap, he deff has sucked up a lot more then any of you ppl can, to continue pushing out SS orders (NOT CHRIS ORDERS).

The only people who have complained the past week are people who are not waiting on an order. Seems like everyone waiting on something has been in contact with him and is getting on the right track. Some people here still cant accept that.

And to the people that got your panels, got any feedback? All you have said is you got it, well, what do you think, whats your reaction?

[Havok]

Chris is doing things out of his own pocket right now, DOES HE HAVE TO? NO, NOT AT ALL.

Ummm, the money went into his pocket, now it should come out.

Could he say you know what, f*ck these ppl. He sure can!!!

Sure, he can - but the attorney general might have something to say about that...

After reading all this crap, he deff has sucked up a lot more then any of you ppl can, to continue pushing out SS orders (NOT CHRIS ORDERS).

Ermmm... Chris = Slikstik, I think you're missing the point. Yes, LLC, but still, Chris = Slikstik.

The only people who have complained the past week are people who are not waiting on an order. Seems like everyone waiting on something has been in contact with him and is getting on the right track. Some people here still cant accept that.

I hope that he does make good on all his back orders. Hopefully he is also fixing those Ebay auctions where Slikstik took payment and never sent the product either.

And to the people that got your panels, got any feedback? All you have said is you got it, well, what do you think, whats your reaction?

Definitely - let's hear what you got!

[M37R01D]

I'm sure the ebay auctions were disputed, and paypal refunded them, so I wouldnt even worry about that LOL

[Havok]

I'm sure the ebay auctions were disputed, and paypal refunded them, so I wouldnt even worry about that LOL

You sure about that?

From Paypal: All claims must be filed within 45 days of the transaction or the claim will be denied

Here's one:
prchsed 7/23 still no item. no rspnse frm email or phn the lst 3 wks. DON'T BUY - that was left on Oct 16th. Notice how he says the last 3 weeks. Looks like a case of the usual smooth talking excuses to get outside the claim window. Subtraction tells me the guy is SOL per paypal policy. LOL (by Christian)...

[Comp1demon]

Amazing......

CUSTOMERS WAITING are anxious and annoyed and snapping at everyone.

PAST CUSTOMERS are just cursing Christian/SS as always.

SCOTT FOR MAMEROOM has gotten alot of people in an uproar over his comments and is tring to dig himself out of his grave.

OTHER BOARD MEMEBERS are picking on CUSTOMERS WAITING ON A SS and VIce Versa.

ZAKK is tring to tell everyone to STFU. - He has the right idea - as ususal.

WOW - It amazes me how much contoversy Christian can cause on a message board. - and he is not even posting, probibly just reading.
We are all out of control here.....

I know we all want to slam SS, Chrisian, Whatever/Whoever.

We all have bi polar opinions about customers waiting on a SS - Some tell these people that they are living in a dream, others are giving them reassurance. It's like a reality show - some want these people to get Fu*Ked over others want to seem them get what they paid for or cash back.

This whole flame war and rant and raves (including my own) is all caused by a fact that everyone at BYOC knows - SlikStick - makes a good product - but Slikstik as a company(llc) or christian (as the face of the company) has and always has had bad customer service, delays, and he himself has gone on tirades here at BYOAC.

I think EVERYONE - including myself, should just back off.......  IF you are a Customer waiting - keep us informed on what is going on.  If you got your CP, tell us how it is (craftsmanship, does it work?, you get the idea).  IF your a customer that is tring to get cash back - let us know how it is working out.  IF your a Customer stuck in lymbo and have no idea whats going on - keep us informed here and there on what you are tring to do to get out of Lymbo. Who you called, who you spoke to, whats going on with your order - ect, ect....

I think everyone here has said about enough about Slikstik and Christian - its just the same stuff being said over and over....

I think we have had enough of Camp A with one position about SS and Camp B having another position.  We know what the Two sides/opinions are - no need to keep posting them.

I feel like im in a bad movie here...... Everoyne is jumping down everyone elses throat...

UGH 6am - whats next ...... I'll be back later today...

Night/morning all

Lets play nice if we can.....

[Tiger-Heli]

When I recieved the panel, the Ipac was hooked up backwards...
The quality of these panels are unmatched ...

The two statements above don't jive with me?   

I read it that the physical construction of the panel itself was good.   

Yes - I got that ...

The point I was making was that for what SS charges and for as long as it is taking people to get these panels, I wouldn't expect to have to re-wire the I-Pac when it finally arrives.

Not sure if this is the correct thread for this - probably not - but ...

I wouldn't speak out if SS wasn't charging so much or if it were an isolated incident.

I read a review thread from probably 5-8 years ago where a panel arrived with a corner damaged in shipment (poor packaging), and one of the wires had come loose.  The wire coming loose I could understand, but you would expect a review item to be packaged to make the shipment safely.

The review praised the product, but gave the impression that it was made in someone's garage from the packaging - which given later info might not be that inaccurate.

I'm not saying all their products had these problems.

Their were personal issues between Xtian and another member of the Emulation community - not a BYOAC member (which I won't disclose here).

There are the posts in any of RandyT's product annoncements with "Where's Xtian crapping on this thread?" (b/c you just knew it was coming ...)

There is a panel earlier in this thread with the overlay lifting up in one of the corners.

Again - I hope everyone gets what they ordered and the quality is better than expected, but I think we've all seen the pattern here many times over ...

[Hoopz]

M37R01D, let us know when you get the package from SS.  I think most people believe you and want you to get it.  They also have heard many times from people that someone at SS told them something was shipping on a given day, only to find that it never shipped.

I think the expectation is that you are being told, again, that it is going to ship soon and that pacifies you.

The only time I ordered from SS was a couple of years ago and that was only the illuminated joys not a CP.  My experience was atypical though as I received the joys pretty quickly.

TH:  I concur.  Having to re-wire something that just arrived isn't a good thing.  I'm still trying to figure out how the I-Pac was backwards.... It was physically facing the wrong direction?  P1 was wired to P2?  It was socially inept?   

[CheffoJeffo]

* CheffoJeffo genuinely wants everybody to get their stuff

[Tiger-Heli]

TH:  I concur.  Having to re-wire something that just arrived isn't a good thing.  I'm still trying to figure out how the I-Pac was backwards.... It was physically facing the wrong direction?  P1 was wired to P2?  It was socially inept?   

I was guessing he meant it was wired incorrectly.

One thing I could think of was they may have used a Mini-Pac board and reversed the IDE cable harness.  That would be an easy mistake to make, although still ...

(And from personal experience, I have removed terminals from the P1 B1 switch on my CP (using a prototype GGG KeyWiz) and had to re-insert the wire into the P1B1 terminal on the board before the switch would work again, even though it worked before I disconnected the button and I didn't mess with that terminal.)  My point being that these simple panels aren't always as simple as they appear.

And I may as well re-iterate - I also genuinely hopes everyone gets their stuff and that it exceeds all their expectations - I've just seen too many people burned too many times to expect that.

[Mameroom]

As for mameroom....saying that people better shut the 'eff up or he'll just run off with money he's already received....are you speaking FOR him, or are you saying that's what YOU would do in his position?  I'm interested in your honest answer to that.  I mean, it's one or the other...correct?

...Talk about a loaded question!  I mean come on,  people are "griping" about punctuation in here, which supports a comment I made earler.

...and you want me to go on record regarding my thoughts about a business matter?  Please don't think I'm being rude...but "No Comment".

...my words can be misinterpreted, twisted around, and even thrown right back in my face...but my presence here (in this thread) is for one reason and ONE REASON only...to help people get their panels.  I have nothing else to gain either personally or for my business.



 

[shardian]

Scott,
I fully understand your intentions for getting involved to the level you have, and it is really cool of you. I also don't have a problem with you telling people to STFU, to be honest.

The one thing that bugs me is that you have been forced into being the mouthpiece of Christian. If he wants to "make good" with the community, and start a new company then he needs to get his lazy ass over here and say that himself. By you delivering his messages and such you become the focal point, or at least part of it, of any new delay, mistake, etc.

From appearances, it really does look like you are being used.

While alot of the comments made by 3rd parties are off-topic, stupid, and inflammatory for no reason (I'm probably guilty on more than one count) - some of us "non-invested parites" are only here for the same reason you are. We don't want to see folks get taken and don't want newer folks to give even more money to a bad company. You have to remember, every time slik stik is mentioned in this thread, it will become a search hit for people who might STILL be looking into buying from slikstik (their store is still active I might add). We have people that have come on here and say they haven't received product for months, but it is okay because a guy told them he would get on it, even though that number is now disconnected. These people are asking for input, and they are resoundingly told by non-invested folk to RUN to their banks and file a claim.

And just one quick comment, since you talk with Christian on a regular basis, and he is on a redemptive crusade of honesty and justice, has he by any chance told you exactly how many of these outstanding orders there are? A simple question, and a simple answer since he apparently knows who they are and what they ordered. Just curious.

[meismr]

Also the name of his 'new' company would be appreciated

[zaphod]

I wonder, too, why the SlikStik site is still up, accepting orders of any kind.  A close friend of mine mentioned in passing the other evening that he was looking to buy some joy handles from SS.  (He purchased a CP from them a few years back- 5-1/2 months and many mistakes which I ended up helping him correct.)  He had no idea SS was having issues so the problem was avoided.  How many other orders like these are being sent to SS that they have no intention of honoring?

Threads like these are necessary for those people who take the time to do a simple google search before ordering.  Not everyone does that, so I again question why their website is still up, beyond the obvious answer of obtaining free money from unwary consumers.

[CheffoJeffo]

You know what, shardian makes a good point and since I don't think that a knock-down-drag-out-full-on-thread would be productive, perhaps Christian or someone from SlikStik could create, and immediately lock, a thread indicating what is actually going on (or maybe saint could post it somewhere else).

Everybody has heard a lot of different things ... in this thread alone (and ignoring the skeptics like me):

- Christian was only an employee of SlikStik
- Christian is no longer with SlikStik
- Christian is fulfilling SlikStik orders out of his own pocket
- SlikStik is sending orders out
- Orders have been fulfilled by MAMERoom, but appear to have been shipped from SlikStik
- SlikStik is still around
- SlikStik is still running auctions
- SlikStik is still accepting orders for parts on their website

As it stands, we have some uninvested old-timers who have "seen this  before" saying the same old stuff, with some invested new folks saying stuff and an invested (to some degree, degree not known) vendor saying stuff.

Everything else aside, some degree of clarification would go a loooong way in this case.

I don't think that hearing about Christian's new venture is all that important.

[JonathanEngr]

Look guys, M37R01D just wants his panel and is being hopeful that it's going to happen.  There's a lot of history here, and let's face fact--it ain't all good.

I, for one, am waiting.  I, too, was promised a panel to be delivered to me in the coming week, so I'll wait and see if it's delivered.  We can all sit and argue that it will and/or won't be delivered, and it gets us nowhere.  It's disappointing for me to see people attacking those who simply want to believe they are getting their product.

I hope that M37R01D won't get banned.  I feel that it's unnecessary, and many of his confrontations on here were the result of personal attacks and/or insults. (Correcting someone's punctuation and/or spelling is, IMHO, the lowest of the low attacks, and is totally irrelevant to the issues here)   Keep in mind that he (like me) already feels like he's 99% on his way to being "idiot of the year" for being (supposedly) taken.  Anyone in this position is going to be quite a bit defensive.

As for Mameroom and the other guys posting here in SS/Christian's defense, they have a right to their opinion, and perhaps there are things they know that we don't.  I have no doubt that Christian is trying to make amends by paying those who supply him goods as well as getting panels to those who have screamed the loudest.  To be fair, this is what any of us would do in the same situation.  I also think he's at least a sharp enough guy to know that it can't simply end there... if he wants to turn this thing around, he'll have to keep the ball rolling and make amends with everyone that SS has offended... not just a chosen few.   

As for me, I'm sitting on the fence and have been since he promised to deliver my panel to me recently.  I've waited for 7 months, so I can wait a few more weeks and hold back my judgement until then.  Without a doubt this will solidify me one way or the other.  If my panel doesn't arrive, then I'll know what the focus of my free time will be until I get satisfaction in one way or another.  If, however, my panel is delivered and he continues to try to make amends with others, then I'll stop interfering with his attempts to do so, and I'll also throw in the truth--how he handled this situation, the condition of my panel, etc.  Hopefully this will help him. 

Anyway, all I ask of everyone is to try and be patient with those of us who are personally and financially involved in this fiasco.  It's not easy.  We want to believe one thing, yet there's an overwhelming history pointing in the other direction.  We know that.  Believe me--we know it.  But for now, give us a chance to see if we can get our panels. 

[meismr]

I was right there with you until the end CheffoJeffo...  I was seriously considering buying from SS.  I have never built a cab and the process is daunting.  I just didn't have the cash for it.  It looks though that if I did I *might* get my CP, but I could also be talking to the NJ AG.  Christian has been the mouthpiece of this company (both for good and bad) and if he starts up a company I think it would behoove us all to know what that company is.  If say Mameroom messes up one order and it's delayed by a month, no biggy, all the other customers make up for that one deficiency.  If Christians new company misses one order than I would think it's Slick Stick V 2.0.  Just my noob 2 cents.