Slik Stik - Any Word

[FrizzleFried]

I find the irony of this gem to be quite hilarious...



(from the same thread)

[Fozzy The Bear]

How is it that you are more angry at me than you are at Xtian ?

It's not like *I* took your money and then lied to you -- I've been totally honest and my services come free of charge! 

Where the heck is Fozzy ?

ROFLMAO.... 

I've been away! and trying to sort my job out...... 

It's easy. He's more angry at you, because he knows he's wrong yet again, but doesn't want to admit it. If his box does ever arrive then you can bet it either won't work or something will not be as ordered. Damned good luck to him.

As for Sick Slick Stango, I think you said it all. We've heard this so many times before that nobody except a complete moron would believe a word of it. After four years of listening to people who have been lied to and ignored and sent defective items which have not been replaced, or had to wait eight or nine months before anything turns up, or not had the goods that they paid for at all, there is no way I'm going to believe any of this BS from him.

Just exactly how is Mr Stango sending these out when he claimed to no longer have anything to do with the company??? It's just more BS.

At the end of the day, yeah! he may send this one out.... But only because it's high profile enough to con a few more people into parting with even more money for goods that will never see the light of day. In six months time there'll be another thread with almost exactly the same stories over and over again.

Lets just hope that the Legal Eagles at Nutley Town Council do hammer him enough to put a stop to this chaos and the they come down hard on the alledged Fraudulent Trading, Wire Fraud, Credit Card Fraud, Sale Of Goods Not As Described Or Ordered, Failure To Supply Goods, Trading Without A Business Licence  etc etc etc etc.....

Give Christian Stango a break!!!    NEVER! Until he returns ALL the money he's taken without supplying the goods,  and I do mean ALL the money. NEVER! Untill he's supplied all the goods as ordered that he hasn't returned the money for.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[shardian]

Hmm, I warned that it was awful convenient that Christian showed like a knight in shining armor just as the Nutley and DA thing started to really come together. Then all the sudden the lady is shocked because only 8 people actually followed thru. Yes, very convenient.
 

[CheffoJeffo]

Exactly.    Freaking.    Right.   

But maybe we should give Xtian a break ... 

[M37R01D]

I'm angry cuase I'm wrong? about what? LOL you guys are to funny. I'm not angry at anyone, yea some of your guys attacks toward me are kinda childish, but hey thats on you.
Either way, I'll let you guys fight over it, and I'll just report back on this thread when my panel is in, other then that, have fun with with yur sh!t talkin thread.

[CheffoJeffo]

Thanks for making the exact point that needs to be made (and the "attacks" on you are the result of you not actually having any vision beyond yourself and seeing what has been happening for YEARS).

This is pretty much the precise pattern that has been followed every time one of these threads pop up.

1 - Slikstik screws people over
2 - People post about it here
3 - The old timers say the same things that we always say
4 - A number of new folks* post in defense of SlikStik and bag on the old timers
5 - Slikstik makes good with some of the new folks*
6 - Thread dies
7 - Repeat every 4-8 weeks

You may ask why i have asterisked the term 'new folks' -- three reasons:

First - they are for the most part new and don't know about this ongoing issue.
Second - they almost never hang around long enough to see it happen again.
Third - they are the ones who eventually get their stuff, so they can post about it and brag on what a good guy Xtian is.

Moral of the story ... post in defense of SlikStik and report on their progress until you get your stuff -- the old folks may bag on you for the obvious reason (i.e. this happens all the freaking time and more people get screwed as a result), but you'll probably get your stuff (more or less). Then the rest of us can repeat in a few weeks' time.

If I may add one piece of advice ... if you do post, don't run around accusing the old folks of lying and spreading misinformation. That way you won't have to endure as much hardship as poor M3RG37R01D.

[Fozzy The Bear]

If I may add one piece of advice ... if you do post, don't run around accusing the old folks of lying and spreading misinformation. That way you won't have to endure as much hardship as poor M3RG37R01D.

ROFL Mergatroid  Kind of suits him.....

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[CheffoJeffo]

He didn't get the When Harry Met Sally joke, so there is no way that he is going to get Mergatroid ... 

[M37R01D]

 

[CheffoJeffo]

No argument here ... 

[pmc]

This reminds me of another thread in a forum far far away (actually http://www.nsxprime.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98489) where someone tried to cover up "mistakes" by deleting them and then denying the fact. Read for your own pleasure if you haven't done so.

This is well worth the time to browse through. I burned my lunch hour on it today and nearly split a gut laughing.

-pmc

[magiic]

Box just got here, havent opened it yet. I will post pics of whatever is inside when I open it. Stay tuned!

[CheffoJeffo]

Fingers crossed for you ...

[FrizzleFried]

but after talking with them by phone things went much better, and my order is actually getting done and being shipped out soon

-M37R01D on  November 02, 2007 (over 2 months ago)

Edit: Also thier was misinformation, as they were going out of business, going bankrupt, ect. ect.

-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (misinformation eh?  )

I'm sure he is aware of the rep this is creating for him through the community.
When I call him in a few days once my overlay ships to him, I will mention it to him.

-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (Have you made that call?)

I may have to change my opinion,
Last I spoke with Christain was 11/15 (same day "mikeyman" spoke with him) in which he said my panel would ship 11/16 (same day mikeyman went to pick his up), which it did not ship,
Then again on 11/30, which he said it would go out. Again it didn't go out, and I've had no word since.

-M37ROID on December 17, 2007 (I was beginning to think it finally begun to sink in...)

Thats what I'm tryin to figure out, according to SS, my panel was "DONE" and was jus awaiting shipping.

-M37R01D on December 18, 2007 (again,  another lie you believed...if it were TRULY just waiting shipping,  why in the hell hasn't it shipped yet....still...on January 4th, 2008?)

got some news
Christian emailed me, saying he was taking over, and pullin things out his own pocket if he has to, he told me he would pick my panel up 1-2 days after x-mas and have it right out

-M37R01D on December 21, 2007 (Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---...you still believe the guy?  Lets see...1-2 days after x-mas would put it at December 27th at the latest.  It's January 4th, 2008.  WHERE'S IT AT?)

Well just an update, I talked to Chris, after he was MAI for a bit.
He said he is back in action and getting these panels out, without SS.
My panel, is jus awaiting an I-pac4, (Ultimarc is closed for about another week) but hopefully we can find another befor then.
I also resent him my color combination for the buttons, and he confirmed they were in stock, so now awaiting an Ipac4

-M37R01D on January 3rd, 2008

HOLY MOTHER MARY OF GOD?!   Um,  the guy has OUTRIGHT LIED TO YOUR FACE (your controller is waiting for tb, waiting for CPO, waiting to be shipped, blah blah blah blah blah) and he has yet pulled ONE MORE line from his bag of tricks "waiting for an ipac" and you,  without question,  BELIEVE THE GUY?!?

You are kidding me right?  You are either the most trusting (ie: gullible) S.O.B. on the face of the planet or you're the dumbest.  Which is it bro? 

You're blind faith in a guy who has bent you over multiple times and LIED DIRECTLY TO YOU is only to be witnessed to be believed.  ARE YOU CHRISTIANS SON or something feeling bad for pop?   I mean I can't believe this.

Dude...I have some beachfront property in northern Idaho for sale...right on the Indian ocean.  CHEAP!  PM me if you're interested.

BOTTOM LINE:  Even if the CP showed up tomorrow,  I am horrified that  you aren't full bore PISSED at SS and how they have repeatedly LIED to you...

If I were in the same situation and they offered my CP FREE OF CHARGE,  I'd STILL have nothing but bad to say about the experience.

But I guess we are of a different...something because I am at AWE at your attitudes toward SS and towards those critical of SS.

EDITED FOR CLARITY.

[Zakk]

Box just got here, havent opened it yet. I will post pics of whatever is inside when I open it. Stay tuned!

Open it!  What, did Christiaan tell you he would show up and open it for you?  Seriously, he ain't coming, and we're all hoping you got what you paid for. 

[shardian]

but after talking with them by phone things went much better, and my order is actually getting done and being shipped out soon

-M37R01D on  November 02, 2007 (over 2 months ago)

Edit: Also thier was misinformation, as they were going out of business, going bankrupt, ect. ect.

-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (misinformation eh?  )

I'm sure he is aware of the rep this is creating for him through the community.
When I call him in a few days once my overlay ships to him, I will mention it to him.

-M37R01D on November 02, 2007 (Have you made that call?)

I may have to change my opinion,
Last I spoke with Christain was 11/15 (same day "mikeyman" spoke with him) in which he said my panel would ship 11/16 (same day mikeyman went to pick his up), which it did not ship,
Then again on 11/30, which he said it would go out. Again it didn't go out, and I've had no word since.

-M37ROID on December 17, 2007 (I was beginning to think it finally begun to sink in...)

Thats what I'm tryin to figure out, according to SS, my panel was "DONE" and was jus awaiting shipping.

-M37R01D on December 18, 2007 (again,  another lie you believed...if it were TRULY just waiting shipping,  why in the hell hasn't it shipped yet....still...on January 4th, 2008?)

got some news
Christian emailed me, saying he was taking over, and pullin things out his own pocket if he has to, he told me he would pick my panel up 1-2 days after x-mas and have it right out

-M37R01D on December 21, 2007 (Holy ---Cleveland steamer---...you still believe the guy?  Lets see...1-2 days after x-mas would put it at December 27th at the latest.  It's January 4th, 2008.  WHERE'S IT AT?)

Well just an update, I talked to Chris, after he was MAI for a bit.
He said he is back in action and getting these panels out, without SS.
My panel, is jus awaiting an I-pac4, (Ultimarc is closed for about another week) but hopefully we can find another befor then.
I also resent him my color combination for the buttons, and he confirmed they were in stock, so now awaiting an Ipac4

-M37R01D on January 3rd, 2008

HOLY MOTHER MARY OF GOD?!   Um,  the guy has OUTRIGHT LIED TO YOUR FACE (your controller is waiting for tb, waiting for CPO, waiting to be shipped, blah blah blah blah blah) and he has yet pulled ONE MORE line from his bag of tricks "waiting for an ipac" and you,  without question,  BELIEVE THE GUY?!?

You are kidding me right?  You are either the most trusting (ie: gullible) S.O.B. on the face of the planet or you're the dumbest.  Which is it bro? 

You're blind faith in a guy who has bent you over multiple times and LIED DIRECTLY TO YOU is only to be witnessed to be believed.  ARE YOU CHRISTIANS SON or something feeling bad for pop?   I mean I can't believe this.

Dude...I have some beachfront property in northern Idaho for sale...right on the Indian ocean.  CHEAP!  PM me if you're interested.

BOTTOM LINE:  Even if the CP showed up tomorrow,  I am horrified that  you aren't full bore PISSED at SS and how they have repeatedly LIED to you...

If I were in the same situation and they offered my CP FREE OF CHARGE,  I'd STILL have nothing but bad to say about the experience.

But I guess we are of a different...something because I am at AWE at your attitudes toward SS and towards those critical of SS.

EDITED FOR CLARITY.

Wow, good detective work.

No wonder slikstik went out of business - the way they build control panels, disassemble them, add all the controls, take them back out, wire it up, then strip all that out, put on an overlay, then strip it off to put back on later. They really need to learn how to do things once.

[magiic]

Here is some pics...

http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid

[M37R01D]

Here is some pics...

http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid

That has to be the coolest stack of phone books I've ever seen

[RandyT]

Here is some pics...

http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid

Is the upper right corner broken / peeling up or is it an optical illusion?

[FrizzleFried]

Here is some pics...

http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid

Is the upper right corner broken / peeling up or is it an optical illusion?

I was gunna say the same thing,  but its apparent on two photos?

[FrizzleFried]

Here is some pics...

http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid

That has to be the coolest stack of phone books I've ever seen

I'd still like to know where your anger is?  You've been screwed over for months for crying out loud...MONTHS!

[magiic]

that is the only problem I have noticed. The top right corner is peeling

[knave]

that is the only problem I have noticed. The top right corner is peeling

I hear that's a problem that can occur with panels that have been sitting around for a long time... 

[Fozzy The Bear]

Here is some pics...
http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid

WOW!!  A SickSlick Box!! Sent out by Christian Stango, who claimed to have nothing to do with the company any more!......  That's got to be rare. I'd put that in a museum, it's got to be worth a fortune given how few of them exist. I'm stunned by it. It's even got the classic badly fitted peeling overlay that other people have reported.

I wonder if the return address is the same one that he had when he did have something to do with the company...... 

I also wonder if MameMarquees should actually be supplying him with SickSlick overlays, given that he no longer has anything to do with it.... 

Here's the reality.... Just an employee, no longer with the company, YEAH RIGHT!! and my name's Whip Doodle Thribble Kerplunk Kerplunk Phutang The Third     

Christian Stango backed by Daddys Money has been behind SickSlick from day one and still is. It was just another attempt to get out of his responsibilities. Which is precisely why he's still the one sending stuff out when he actually bothers to.... Never know! Might reel in a few more suckers.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Havok]

Here is some pics...

http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t56/blackmagiic/arcade/?albumview=grid

That has to be the coolest stack of phone books I've ever seen

Before you act all smug, let's see if it works...

 

[magiic]

works fine, used it for several hours this afternoon. Everything auto detected under vista and worked great

[Comp1demon]

I was you last year at Xmas.

Slickstik Sucks balls (company i mean)- over priced and you don't get what you pay for.

I am happy with my control panel but not in love with it (like i should be)- They did it wrong and after waiting 4 months or whatever it was - I wasn't returning it.

They know that big orders like that will not get returned.

You stick is nice..... Good luck with your arcade building and your Slickstick.

[Mameroom]

I have been following this thread from the start of the Mameroom/SlikStik negotiations.  First,  those that are slamming SlikStik and/or Christian personally...are you SlikStik customers?  The reason I ask is because if you are, you very well could hurt your chances on ever getting your panel...if you are not a customer, then you are hurting everyone else's chances.  Let me explain...

Considering that this is primarily a DIY forum, the majority of members may already be biased when it comes to vendors hanging around this board.  Unfortuantely, this issue at hand is a business one.  The fact of the matter is...whether Chris is or was just an employee (which is my understanding) or a partner, or even the owner of SlikStik LLC...It is an LLC which protects him personally...unless you wrote a check out to "Christian S" directly.  I know this, because I have several LLCs set up by my attorney and business consultant for this very reason.  Letting the Attorney General handle this situation really is the best approach...Slamming Chris personally is not.

There is a reason why companies with good reputations are still doing business with Chris outside of SlikStik.  It is very unfortunate, but the issues with SlikStik are not uncommon with any other business in financial trouble.  My parents personally lost over $6000 when they ordered carpet from Carpet Barn just before they filed for bankrupcy.  I know you don't want to hear it, but it is just business, and unfortunately, it's the little guy that always gets hurt.  When a company folds or is in financial trouble, the order in which matters get resolved or paid is:

1) The governement
2) Banks or lending institutions
3) Creditors
4) Vendors
5) Customers

Many times there is nothing left by the time it reaches the customer.   And from what I've learned during Mameroom's negotiations...the best course of action I would recommend is to let Chris try to make good on what he has offered...although he does not have to (from a business perspective).

While it may bring comfort to some that some lady from the chamber of commerce and the attorney general are involved...Ultimately they will most likely be awarded a judgement against SlikStik and the payout will be as outlined before (government, banks, etc...).

With that being said, I do know that Chris is personally trying to get everyone's orders out.  He is doing it out of his own poket....Mameroom has no involvement whatsoever in what he is attempting to do.  Whether it is so he can come out of this on top of this ordeal when he starts his own company...or for other reasons.   This forum accounts for less than 15% of all sales generated for SlikStik (I learned this whan trying to acquire the company)....So attempting to tarnish or derail any future company formed by Chris will ultimately be a futile waste of time.  Back to my opening comment, the only thing people of this forum are doing, is limiting the chance for Chris to make good on what he offered, and really screwing people that Chris is trying to make good with.

Let the man make good on what he promised, for the people that have money invested!  I've already heard of SEVERAL customers receiving their panels (on this board!).  If this is a personal matter against Chris, then don't fool yourself or anyone else on this board...you don't really care whether people get their products or not...you just want to do what you can to destroy Chris...whatever you do, I'm reminding you that it won't work (at least not on this board alone).

I do realize that I am sticking my own head on the chopping block by making this post..but as a vendor, what is happening in here is wrong.  Customers ARE receiving their products.  Granted, a lot longer than what was expected...but what is happening in here is that people will lose if it keeps going in this direction...Unfortuantely for the people attacking Chris personally...it won't be Chris that looses.

[CheffoJeffo]

I thank Scott for posting as he does present a balanced alternative from what some others (myself included) have been saying.

The aspect of Xtian's status with SlikStik is of critical importance because the shielding of the LLC is by no means absolute, particularly with respect to (mis)representations made by individuals within the LLC, potentially fraudulent activities and actions that would bblur the line between LLC and individuals (say, the lack of corporate records, using personal funds, etc.).

I actually have been a customer of SlikStik and have never had a problem (and I keep having to say this). OTOH, I am a member of this community and this has been an ongoing problem with SlikStik. Somebody has to have some responsibility to warn newbs (e.g. 'If only I had read this thread before') . It's not like this issue just cropped up within the last two months -- the constant recurrence of these threads is evidence of that.

I truly hope that SlikStik/Xtian make good with everybody, but we have heard that story before and haven't had much reason to place stock in what Xtian says. People should act with that in mind and not be blind to the fact the problem is not a new occurence.

 

[Mameroom]

I would like to echo what CheffoJeffo has said...as that was my intent to say, but got a little sidetracked.

The point that I really wanted to make was...warn people (newbs), post your grievences about SlikStik, personal experiences, etc...but then leave it.  I know it's easier said than done...but since their is a chance to get your merchandise, why rock the boat...anyone still standing on the soapbox either has nothing to do with SlikStik during the recent affairs or has nothing to risk.

...there is nothing in the Law that says Chris personally owes you (I've reviewed the circumstances as a business owner myself), But he is trying to do the right thing.  So why not let him (is my point).

[M37R01D]

Considering that this is primarily a DIY forum, the majority of members may already be biased when it comes to vendors hanging around this board. 

There is a reason why companies with good reputations are still doing business with Chris outside of SlikStik. 

the best course of action I would recommend is to let Chris try to make good on what he has offered...although he does not have to (from a business perspective).

With that being said, I do know that Chris is personally trying to get everyone's orders out.  He is doing it out of his own poket.......So attempting to tarnish or derail any future company formed by Chris will ultimately be a futile waste of time.  Back to my opening comment, the only thing people of this forum are doing, is limiting the chance for Chris to make good on what he offered, and really screwing people that Chris is trying to make good with.
If this is a personal matter against Chris, then don't fool yourself or anyone else on this board...you don't really care whether people get their products or not...you just want to do what you can to destroy Chris...whatever you do, I'm reminding you that it won't work (at least not on this board alone).

Unfortuantely for the people attacking Chris personally...it won't be Chris that looses.

...there is nothing in the Law that says Chris personally owes you (I've reviewed the circumstances as a business owner myself), But he is trying to do the right thing.  So why not let him (is my point).

Very well said, good thing people like you here otherwise they jump on your --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- like they did to me.

[CheffoJeffo]

Very well said, good thing people like you here otherwise they jump on your --I'm attempting to get by the auto-censor and should be beaten after I re-read the rules-- like they did to me.

But he didn't call anybody a liar. 

FWIW, I disagree with Scott, partly because this just keeps happening (and everytime there is somebody that says give Xtian a break),partly because I think Scott is being naive in his assessment of the legal aspect and partly because I doubt that there is much that posts like mine could do to other than keep new folks from sending SlikStik money until they work things out (which is just common sense).

Really, it isn't as if Xtian has recently enjoyed a stellar reputation here on AYOAC(tm). 

[Mameroom]

CheffoJeffo, I completely understand everyone's delema here...and in no way think that everyone should agree with what I have said or recommended.

It truely is a double-edge sword.  By slamming Chris, you will be depriving many of what it is that everyone is seeking in here.  By not slamming Chris, you feel that you are turning a blind eye to what has happened.

Regarding legal matters...those who know me personally on this board, know that I work in a very large and prestigous internation law firm.  I am not a lawyer, but It is by the advise of several of my coworkers who are (and business consultant) that I break up my company into several smaller LLCs and keep seperate books and accounts for all for the protection that an LLC offers...if any one of them goes bust or has a liability, the others (the rest of my business) stays alive and untouched by any of the other business.  As far as being personally liable, provided that any member of an LLC or corporation does not accept money in their name or use any personal accounts for any of the finances, or does anything illegal...there really is no chance that they will be financially liable...as we will soon see as the NJ AG is involved.  Keep what I said in mind, as I'm confident that it will unfold just as I said,...it is afterall, a business matter.  Regarding everyone's hope that there was some kind of fraud or illegal activities...I have no comment and that truly would be the ONLY hope to attach Chris to this mess personally...in which case, customers would likely still not receive what they ordered or paid for.

Again, although it may make you feel better for the moment, the personal vendettas against Chris really will get everyone NOWHERE.  And I'm afraid people will not get their panels.  Should Chris get off the hook untarnished?  No, and I think the entire month long (and then some) tirade on this forum have served their purpose.  We've heard every reason why someone should not purchase from SlikStik (with good reason).  Every "Good" post about Chris or of a previous SS order being fulfilled...we still hear the same broken record and someone stepping up and saying "ya, but..."

There is one and only ONE thing left that can happen as a result of a continued tirade...people will lose and Chris will still come out of this more on top than anyone else.  Again, keep in mind that this board accounts for only 15% (or less) of all orders he will receive.

While, Mameroom has enjoyed the publicity of this thread, I think that everyone deserves the right to make ammends for something.  In fact, I personally think that this is going to be an excellent opportunity for Chris to promote a new business.  I'm sure you are going to hear nothing but good posts (from actual customers) from here on out.  As more and more panels show up to their owners...pretty soon, this thread and everything that once happened will only be a memory and a stepping stone to something even better.

Any posts regarding..."Remember when..." will have no power to the intended punch.  This whole situation will be just a "bump in the road" as far as Chris or his new business is concerned.

As far as personal tirades against Chris, who ultimately is going to suffer?  I think it would be naive to think it will be him.

He will continue to receive business from Mameroom (and others as I don't want to call them out if they don't want the attention that I have now focused on my company).

I have never met Chris personally (don't even know what he looks like), but as a business owner observing what he is doing (getting panels out from his own pocket)..I feel compelled to step up and applaud him...and to those who are actually getting what they set out to do.

...again, let's hope that everyone gets what they seek.

[Zakk]

Wow, almost -exactly- the same kind of tirade that Christiaan used to spew out when people said things he didn't like.  That's very interesting.

[Mameroom]

It's all to easy to get involved in "flame" wars in here...I'm not defending anyone...just my own observations.

I do want to restate something that I've said...

People still standing on the soapbox, obviously are not customers or don't have anything to loose and have no interest whether people get their products or not.

Again, pretty soon, people will have nothing to talk about in here...if Chris does make good on his promise.

Come to think of it...this all could have been a brilliant publicity stunt to break away from SlikStik and go out on his own...if that's the case...it's brilliant ! (from a business perspective)

...just want to see people get their panels.

[CheffoJeffo]

I dunno if it is -exactly- the same.

FWIW, I was a senior employee at a company that went under and definitely feel some empathy for folks in that position. The numbers from that disaster were much bigger than we're talking about with SlikStik. I personally took a massive financial loss and we had to work very hard to eliminate losses for employees and customers. My former boss (sole owner of the company) took a lot of heat in the industry about that and suffered a bad reputation for years. However, in the same way that Scott believes in Xtian, someone believed in him and he managed to recover. I'm proud to call him my business partner.

I have complete and total respect for Scott's position.

In my mind, however, this is a somewhat different situation since the problem has been ongoing and didn't simply begin with the onset of the publicly obvious financial problems. Couple that with Xtian's public tirades about the problem, and you can see why folks are skeptical of Xtian and his motives.

I don't think that people HOPE that there has been fraud, but it does seem to be that there have been misrepresentations along the way. There may well be another side to this, but it definitely doesn't look good that the same excuses have been used for years and some of them have apparently been refuted by the suppliers in question.

I also don't think that the 'record' is broken, it's just than SlikStik/Xtian hasn't yet been fixed.

When that happens, then the objections will die down. I think that we'd all like to see that happen.

[arcadefever]

And so is she ... 

 

 

[scottp]

Magic, I sent you an email about the overlay corner.  That is NOT "typical" as Fozzy wrote above.   

Scott
www.mamemarquees.com

[Mameroom]

Yes,  I agree 100%.  And that is what I would like to see.  My initial point was to let that happen and not to try to derail it by personal attacks.  No praise, no applause, no brownie points...just see where it leads...as there really is nothing to lose.

[Damoclese]

I'm afraid I have to agree with Scott.  I think some are taking this waaaay too personally, and I'm speaking as a guy who currently is out $1400 worth of product from SlikStik.  There is stating your point of dissatisfaction, and then there is being vicious, and I'm afraid many of these posts have just become vicious and have therefore lost some of their credibility.  Seriously, many of the posts on here sound as though the poster would stab Christian in the throat if they passed him on the street.  You know what folks, its just money.  You'll probably be able to make more.   Do I think a warning needs to be sent out to those in the community? Absolutely.  Am I doing all I can to try and get my money or panel? Absolutely.  If I can't get either my money or panel, do I want to see them punished? Absolutely.  As you can see from my prior posts I have filed with the Attorneys General in Kansas and New Jersey, have filed with Ms. Nicollete and am considering small claims relief (although I know this will be fruitless).  Honestly, some of the posts almost make me feel sorry for Christian.

Anyway, that is my $0.02, knowing full well it ain't worth that much. 

/flamesuit on