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Author Topic: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?  (Read 12155 times)

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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2007, 11:16:39 am »
I should add, before anyone else wants to have a go at me inappropriately (this includes saint)

I have nothing but respect for saint and his rules.

Despite what some have implied, I have not provided any links to anyone selling things.  Someone else did. and that was removed (appropriately).  But I have not broken any "forum rules" here at all.

But that doesn't change that this is a public forum.  In fact, that is WHY saint has his rules, and WHY he applies them.

Now please, stop hitting me.

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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2007, 11:22:45 am »
im not gonna hit you, youre hitting yourself by being pedantic, but if saint says something, its inherently appropriate as its his site. :cheers:
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2007, 11:24:16 am »
go jump mate
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2007, 11:25:29 am »
I should add, before anyone else wants to have a go at me inappropriately (this includes saint)

I have nothing but respect for saint and his rules.

But that doesn't change that this is a public forum.  In fact, that is WHY saint has his rules.

Now please, stop hitting me.

To stop me, or anyone else, talking about issues like this on a public forum would at best be limiting free speech (I think there is something in the US constitution about that), or at worst pandering to the interests of those that sell such multi-game machines (eg ebay and the companies that make/sell them).

I may be nieve, but I don't think that Saint is like that.

Why are you ignoring the fact that this is not a public forum? Like FrizzleFried mentions this is a private forum, not a public. People need to realize that, technically, nearly every forum and BBS you find are operated on private servers, not public run servers. Forums running on those servers are private. Someone owns the forum. Just because the owners allow public access, that does not automatically make them public forums. You're confusing the context of private and public.

Public access does not equate to public freedom.

It's interesting when people squawk about freedom of speech and public forums and all that related jazz.

Here's a few things of interest.

Restriction of freedom of speech only applies to the government and the ability of people to have freedom of speech in that context. In other words, the U.S. government cannot suppress my ability to freely publish a newspaper about almost any topic I choose. The government also cannot suppress my ability to distribute this publishing on public property. Public property, as defined in this context, is generally property owned by the government. Sidewalks, parks, and the property of some government buildings are good examples. However, there is nothing preventing me from kicking some asshat who might come into my home or business shouting antisemitic comments. This is exactly the same protection that Saint and his private forum enjoy.

Come to think of it, if you're going to be citing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, at least know what they say.

From the Bill of Rights:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Notice that nowhere does it state that Saint specifically has to allow us freedom of speech, only Congress.

Lastly, you attempted to apply the laws of your country to a privately owned and operated website that may or may not be in the U.S. How ridiculous would it look if I, who might live in isles, find that Saint broke the laws of my country and try to force Saint to comply? For example, on all of the forums I own or run there is usually a cardinal rule that I do not allow advertisements attempting to sell products or services. One day, someone attempted to sell products on one of the forums. Long story short, I ended up banning his ass. I got an email from him stating that he was an Indian native and that it was against federal law to suppress his ability to advertise on my website. I blew him off. Then I got an email from a lawyer ::) stating the same. I wrote back an insulting email. It eventually escalated to my admin and the server owner. We all blew him and his "lawyer" off. This guy tripped up on a lot of details on the law he was trying to cite and how it was applied. Didn't help that the idiot and his "lawyer" both had the same originating IP in the emails.


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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2007, 11:29:36 am »
go jump mate
whatever dude, youre walking down tranqhair and pbj's road at the moment, see where it takes you. :dunno
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2007, 11:40:20 am »
You know, let me explain for the slow-witted.

It is a fact that this is a private forum.

It is a fact that it is publicly available.

It is a fact that Saint is God on this forum.

It is a fact that saint has a published policy regarding what can and can't be mentioned(eg certain links)

It is a fact that I am entitled to my opinion and point of view, and noone (not saint or anyone) can take that away from me.

Does anyone not understand?


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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2007, 11:48:56 am »
You know, let me explain for the slow-witted.

It is a fact that this is a private forum.

It is a fact that it is publicly available.

It is a fact that Saint is God on this forum.

It is a fact that saint has a published policy regarding what can and can't be mentioned(eg certain links)

It is a fact that I am entitled to my opinion and point of view, and noone (not saint or anyone) can take that away from me.

Does anyone not understand?




i almost totally agree, he cant take away your views, but he could stop you from making them here should he wish.
do you understand now.
I should add, before anyone else wants to have a go at me inappropriately (this includes saint)

I have nothing but respect for saint and his rules.



thats not really coming across in your posts though
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2007, 11:56:22 am »
I should add, before anyone else wants to have a go at me inappropriately (this includes saint)

I have nothing but respect for saint and his rules.

I'm not sure why you think I had a go at you inappropriately? I didn't think I had said much of anything at all here? For the record I don't have an issue with anyone in this thread.
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2007, 12:00:51 pm »
With respect to you polaris, you are just a latecomer to this thread.

Cheffojeffo explained it better than I ever could about what I meant by 'double standards', and I am in his debt. And I was about to apologise for apparently being unclear originally (so yeah, sorry to anyone that misunderstood me --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type--).

I have never intentionally disrespected saint, and I think he understands that.  Like I said, there was some confusion and misunderstanding going on.  I think Cheffo initially thought I meant something different.

As I said in my first post, the issues involved are grey and confusing.

Anyway, sorry again and can we move on now?



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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2007, 12:03:28 pm »
I think Cheffo initially thought I meant something different.

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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #50 on: October 12, 2007, 12:16:57 pm »
Saint, let me take this chance to say thanks for you efforts managing a pretty tough forum ;)

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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #51 on: October 12, 2007, 12:18:24 pm »
Heh. Thank you. (I have kids, nothing here scares me)
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #52 on: October 12, 2007, 02:38:00 pm »
Heh. Thank you. (I have kids, nothing here scares me)

Not even P&R?
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #53 on: October 12, 2007, 02:42:53 pm »
I vote that a wiki entry be created hitting the highlights of the subject matter here. Then any time the topic pops up, a mod can just lock the thread and supply a link to the WIKI page.

All these threads tend to do is put everyone in a pissy mood.

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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #54 on: October 12, 2007, 02:45:39 pm »

Can't we just link them to a lemonparty instead?  Seems like a better deterrent.

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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
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Re: Is selling MAME (commercially) illegal?
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2007, 08:09:27 pm »
Look at what gremlimsolutions.co.uk has on their website.  Yep its Mame in its various formats.

I can do what gremlin does, create a cab, put some controls and display, with a PC and sell it on ebay.

Link Mame to my website and include robby roto or whatever is in the PD.

But to sell the machine with Mame already inside is illegal.

Mame is not mine to sell so I cannot.

Simple as that.

But I'm sure I can get a license to sell Mame from the Mamedevs, and give to proceeds to them.
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