New Product: Micro-Leaf™ Arcade Pushbutton Switches - GroovyGameGear

[Level42]

I understand that name product can be any. For example: Super Laser Switch But it lead in people to mistake because people think that switch use laser for action where really is plunger with lever
It looks as publicity.

I agree, but I didn't make-up the name....talk to Randy 

[destructor]

Take the switch out of your pushbutton and see if the button returns after you push it

Nope, just sits there at the bottom, in fact I can't even push it ...

Button returns otherwise but how fast? The same is with joysticks centering, remove switches from joystick and check how fast joystick back to center. Simple example is UltraStik.

Hm...I see this switch is mounted with some angle in button. It is not good because you will feel differrence when you press button in different points. On left side feel will be hard on right side it will be ... (?) If you play on games where you must shoot often, you newer press button in center, always on edge of button.

A regular microswitch button only contacts on one side; how is this any different?

Good point, you have right. Thing is that switch's plunger return not vertically but using some angle = slower return pushbutton to top position. It is nevermind for games where you shot one time for half hour. But what if you must shot 8-10 (or more if you can) times for second? Oherwise it must be tested.

[patrickl]

I guess I created a "micro leaf" joystick already for my PocketGalaga

I'd say you created a nail with two switches nailed next to it.  See how that works? 

Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch 

Adding the lever/leaf only increases the "throw" of the switch (which is exactly what you don't want) and I doubt it does anything with the clicking sound. It does reduce the pressure required for activating the switch, but that's it. So that's only one out of three of the leaf advantages over microswitch.

I'll bet it's still a nice product for some people, but I really don't care for the marketing speak with the obvious intention to mislead people.

[RandyT]

Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch 

leaf  (lf)
n. pl. leaves (lvz)
1. A usually green, flattened, lateral structure attached to a stem and functioning as a principal organ of photosynthesis and transpiration in most plants.
2. A leaflike organ or structure.
3.
a. Leaves considered as a group; foliage.
b. The state or time of having or showing leaves: trees in full leaf.
4. The leaves of a plant used or processed for a specific purpose: large supplies of tobacco leaf.
5. Any of the sheets of paper bound in a book, each side of which constitutes a page.
6.
a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.
b. Such leaves considered as a group: covered in gold leaf.
7. A hinged or removable section for a table top.
8. A hinged or otherwise movable section of a folding door, shutter, or gate.
9. One of several metal strips forming a leaf spring.
v. leafed, leaf·ing, leafs
v.intr.
1. To produce leaves; put forth foliage: trees just beginning to leaf.
2. To turn pages, as in searching or browsing: leafed through the catalog.
v.tr.
To turn through the pages of.

So what part of the above relates to the true and actual "leaf switch"?  And what part of it that does, does not relate to this product?

"Snap" switches are referred to as "Micro-switches", and the word "Micro" is first and foremost in the title.  The product does everything that has been claimed and no-one is being misled here (unless it is by the "usual suspects" with their painfully usual agendas) 

Adding the lever/leaf only increases the "throw" of the switch (which is exactly what you don't want) and I doubt it does anything with the clicking sound. It does reduce the pressure required for activating the switch, but that's it. So that's only one out of three of the leaf advantages over microswitch.

Nope.  Smaller switch, smaller throw.  Smaller throw, lighter click.  Some of you "seen and done everything" types might get a real eye-opener from dissecting one of these switches and seeing just how "leaf-like" they are inside.

RandyT

[destructor]

Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch 

leaf  (lf)
n. pl. leaves (lvz)
1. A usually green, flattened, lateral structure attached to a stem and functioning as a principal organ of photosynthesis and transpiration in most plants.
2. A leaflike organ or structure.
3.
a. Leaves considered as a group; foliage.
b. The state or time of having or showing leaves: trees in full leaf.
4. The leaves of a plant used or processed for a specific purpose: large supplies of tobacco leaf.
5. Any of the sheets of paper bound in a book, each side of which constitutes a page.
6.
a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.
b. Such leaves considered as a group: covered in gold leaf.
7. A hinged or removable section for a table top.
8. A hinged or otherwise movable section of a folding door, shutter, or gate.
9. One of several metal strips forming a leaf spring.
v. leafed, leaf·ing, leafs
v.intr.
1. To produce leaves; put forth foliage: trees just beginning to leaf.
2. To turn pages, as in searching or browsing: leafed through the catalog.
v.tr.
To turn through the pages of.

So what part of the above relates to the true and actual "leaf switch"?  And what part of it that does, does not relate to this product?

"Snap" switches are referred to as "Micro-switches", and the word "Micro" is first and foremost in the title.  The product does everything that has been claimed and no-one is being misled here (unless it is by the "usual suspects" with their painfully usual agendas) 

'Micro' is first and foremost in title? Look for this name: Leaf-switch.
RandyT, you create new name for something what is named from years by others manufacturers and mislead peoples. You think you found something new? No. This switch in whole World is named Subminiature Micro Switch and 'L' is added at end symbol what knows Lever not Leaf. Leaf is more thiny than Lever and every people in whole world knows what is leaf switch.
I don't know why you want to mislead people. For more money?
Why you use angle for mount this switch? It can be mounted without angle if you use switch without this lever (more space in point where is plunger, with lever there is additional plastick and switch must be mounted in angle).But you in purpose use switch with lever becuase you want to named it Leaf what is false, mislead peoples for spend money and contradictory with real name knows from other manufacturers. You product is simple 'subminiature micro switch' for pushbuttons. I don't see what word LEAF has for this switch. Leaf in arcade world knows very very thiny metal plate with bend peculiarity. You lever isn't with bend peculiarity because it must push plunger then it is stiff.

[Tiger-Heli]

Thing is that switch's plunger return not vertically but using some angle = slower return pushbutton to top position.

Which btw, is how the original leaf switch would have worked also - would it not?  The two leaves were hinged at a point some 2-3 inches from the contacts, so the leaf in theory would have a slower return to top - although a standard vertical pushbutton microswitch and plunger will also have a slower return to top position because the springs are less compressed = less upward force, so I'm not seeing your point.

Well - I suppose the springs in both the plunger and the vertical microswitch are still in compression even when the button is released, so you can argue that for the extent of the travel, the additional force of the spring is negligible ...

[Xiaou2]

"usual suspects"

 Hope you arnt referring to me.   Patrick is an ****.   You can see him
argue with me on the politics board constantly.


 While I was thinking of posting..  I figured it wasnt worth the hassle.  But
since Im here now..   Ill add my .02$

 The term 'Leaf'   is a bit unsettling...  because, its not a leaf in the classic
arcade sense one bit.   

 I believe a lot of people would prefer true leaf repros instead actually.
A slight modification, with a heavy duty bottom stop to prevent
excess travel - should make these excellent sellers.


 However,  that said,  I have a submicro.. and tested it by holding it by
hand in a happs button.   Mounted at an angle as you have it, does
decrease the actuation amount.   Also, because these micros have the
actuation button so close to the leverage point, it helps even more.

 Did it feel like a leaf?   nah... not even close.

 Click noise was reduced of course.

 Speed in actuation was better than a bigger micro tho.

  My concern is that these types of Micros were used in the Daytona USA
Shifters...  and they died fairly quickly.    Its possible that this brand
is more durable...  but hard to say.

 If Randy allows purchase of the mini-micros without the adapter
plates for a reduces price..  it would make it a little better.
As if one does die, no need for the extra plate.

 Its a decent solution to those who want a bit more performance,
are annoyed with loud clicks, and dont want to mess with leaf
adjustments.

 But for the true classic games player that is used to a real leafs feel,
they may be pretty disappointed.
 
 A real leaf has that sort of 'glide on air' feel to it -   Where as a micro has
a different resistance to it cause of the additional friction and pressures
needed to activate them.   It does slow the process down (your
max shots per sec) , as well as feels more tiring when used rapidly.

 Anyways, Im not badmouthing it.   Its has its place.

 Maybe  'Super Mini-Micro's'  would be a better product name tho.

 

[Timoe]

Well on the wico joystick leafswitch it has a small plastic actuator against the two metal leafs.  And on my bicycle at home, it has two rubber grips on the handle bars and when I spray hairspray on the insides of the grips they stay on the handle bars better.

Apples and oranges people.  Do you have the GGG micro leaf?  No?

Then ask (legitimate) questions about it if you are curious but dont try and give testimonials or reviews on something you've never actually seen.

Praise be to the innovators still inventing worthwhile products for machines that are basically not in production any longer.  Keep it up.  We'll keep buying.

 

[destructor]

standard vertical pushbutton microswitch and plunger will also have a slower return to top position because the springs are less compressed = less upward force, so I'm not seeing your point.

Spring inside pushbutton? Less compressed? Show me pushbutton with high compressed spring.

[Aurich]

You know, everytime this happens (this is hardly the first of these threads) it seems like Randy takes the trouble to make a new product, but then has a little too much fun writing names and marketing copy that end up distracting from the actual product. Which is all that counts at the end of the day, unless you enjoy talking about buttons more than using them. Which might be somewhat true here, granted.

I give Randy a ton of credit for working on this stuff, and don't knock his desire to see a little money from it. But the product descriptions just sound a little snake-oily with the overhyped feel, and I can't help but agree with people that using the word "leaf" is a little misleading, no matter what your dictionary says. My friendly suggestion: Tone down just a little bit, everyone knows who you are and what you do, there's no need to come across so strongly.

I have no dog in this fight, my cabinet is strictly Sanwa. 

[RandyT]

Destructor:

To be very honest, I neither seek nor require your permission to name my products as I see fit.  The switch has been specially selected for its very specific traits out of the hundreds of  models and manufacturers of switches that look like that.  It's spelled out clearly in the description what the switch is, namely a microswitch with some of the leaf-like traits that people are seeking.  I don't think I have created anything other than a clever design to allow individuals to use these more "leaf-like" switches in pushbuttons.  It's angled to allow space for lighting while still being positioned for the best performance of the switch.  If you don't like the angle, and don't have lighted buttons, I'll happily sell you a set of prototypes (that I prematurely started production on ) which don't have it.

Perhaps in your quest to purify English language product names you'd find some entertainment in harassing HAPP for their "Ultimate" Joysticks, which most find to be mediocre at best .... followed by the "Cold Heat™" soldering iron people.  When you are done with those, another 10 minutes in the trademark database should yield enough pointless endeavors to keep you busy for the rest of your life.

Xiaou2:

Yes, I will be offering replacement switches to Micro-Leaf™ owners.  It's wouldn't be right to make folks re-purchase the adapter parts if just a switch should go bad.

But the product descriptions just sound a little snake-oily

I don't post things that are untrue, as the "snake oil" term would infer, and I market my products no differently than anyone else.  I just take more heat for it   

RandyT

[Warborg]

There always has to be those few that complain no matter what you do...  If you toned down your marketing as was suggested, you'd have others saying you need to step it up so your noticed by vets and noobs alike.  I for one appreciate that a hobbiest is out there producing quality products for other enthusiasts!

[Tiger-Heli]

... and I market my products no differently than anyone else.  I just take more heat for it   

Not true - you write better ad copy than most - and take more heat for it. 

[vitaflo]

Wow, looks like it's time to change out all 14 switches in my cab.  I can't stand the "CLICK CLICK CLICK" of the Cherry switches.   Here's hoping you make some joystick switches too, I'd buy those as well.

And my god at all the cry babies in this thread.  Make something better or STFU.

[Chris]

RandyT, you create new name for something what is named from years by others manufacturers and mislead peoples. You think you found something new?

He's created a new name for an adapter and switch set that allows someone with microswitch pushbuttons to get some of the benefits of leaf switches without the negatives of leaf switches.  I understood exactly what he meant by the name.  If anyone is unclear as to exactly what it is, he includes pictures that show that it is a microswitch with a lever actuator mounted to an adapter that allows it to fit into an existing microswitch button.  Where is he misleading anyone?

[patrickl]

Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch 

a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.

Pfft sure. This metal part on a switch is called a lever. You know perfectly well why instead you choose to call it a "leaf". Especially in the arcade scene here were leaf has a very different connotation from microswitch this an obvious attempt to mislead people.

Adding the lever/leaf only increases the "throw" of the switch (which is exactly what you don't want) and I doubt it does anything with the clicking sound. It does reduce the pressure required for activating the switch, but that's it. So that's only one out of three of the leaf advantages over microswitch.

Nope.  Smaller switch, smaller throw. 

Pfft again. Smaller than what? The real leaf switches will have practically no activation distance. A microswitch without a lever has a smaller activation distance than one with a lever.

Some of you "seen and done everything" types might get a real eye-opener from dissecting one of these switches and seeing just how "leaf-like" they are inside.

It's still a microswitch with a lever and not a leaf switch. It has a very slight advantage (lighter activation) and a slight disadvantage (longer activation distance) over a regular microswitch.

[patrickl]

And my god at all the cry babies in this thread.  Make something better or STFU.

There is something better already and it's called a leaf switch.

[Kremmit]

Pfft sure. This metal part on a switch is called a lever. You know perfectly well why instead you choose to call it a "leaf". Especially in the arcade scene here were leaf has a very different connotation from microswitch this an obvious attempt to mislead people.

What kind of doofus could possibly have been misled by that, when there's a PICTURE RIGHT THERE showing the microswitch.  Micro-Leaf.  Micro, because it's a Microswitch.  Leaf, because it tries to emulate some of the characteristics of a leafswitch.  How can people be having trouble with that?  Is there really anybody here that's so dumb then can't tell what's for sale, and what it's supposed to do?  Anybody?  Come on, one of you guys admit you were totally unable to tell what was for sale.  Because if nobody was fooled, than this whole conversation is pretty dumb.

It's not an attempt to mis-lead.  Does anybody really picture Randy sitting at his desk, thinking:  "Now, what can I call this thing that'll fool my customers into buying it, only to disappoint them when they receive it and find out it's not what they though they were buying?  Because that's how I stay in business, disappointing my customers.  Been doing it for years." 

It's an attempt give the product a better name than "Quiet Low Pressure Sub-Miniature Micro-Switch with Lever Actuator and Lighting-Friendly Pushbutton Mounting Bracket".  When you go to the store, do you ask the clerk:  Where are the Flying Plastic Discs?", or:  "Where are the Frisbees?"

[Santoro]

Well, I was dumb enough to think it was a 'mini' leaf switch at first glance, so I think the name is slightly ambiguous.    But Randy really can call it whatever the heck he wants.  I ordered some anyway because I want quiet swithes.

I am stupefied at the big deal being made about this. 

[saint]

We're arcade loving geeks - most of us have nothing better to do on weekend nights

[Kremmit]

We're arcade loving geeks - most of us have nothing better to do on weekend nights

Now that one hurts. 

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I am stupefied at the big deal being made about this. 

Yeah. It's not like it's a broken Nintendo joystick.

[Xiaou2]

Patrick:


"A microswitch without a lever has a smaller activation distance than one with a lever."

 You dont understand the concepts Patrick.

 First off, the Mini Micros that Randy uses has the activator button very close to the
level pivot point.   This give an almost immidiate activation. 

 Also, a happ button has a long travel distance before it stops...  while a mini mirco
activation button has a much shorter travel.    Thus, If you put a mini micro (no lever)
directly under the button -  the button will smash very heavily into the switch and
eventually destroy it.    As the switch body is not meant to be impacted... and that
is what will happen - unless you changes the happ button so that it limited its
travel depth. 

 The micro lever allows near instant activation,  yet,  afterwards  - is free to
travel further.   This allows the happs button to travel the full distance down
without crashing into the micro.     Its a brilliant discovery actually.

 No, its not as good as a true leaf IMOP...  but it may be a step above
a typical micro.   

 It certainly activates faster than a larger micro - as Ive verified that personally.

[destructor]

Leaf, because it tries to emulate some of the characteristics of a leafswitch.

What chcaracteristics? Emulate Plunger? Show me plunger in leaf switch.

Wow, looks like it's time to change out all 14 switches in my cab.  I can't stand the "CLICK CLICK CLICK" of the Cherry switches.   Here's hoping you make some joystick switches too, I'd buy those as well.

Cherry has different types of microswitches, these with blue plunger have small click.
If you don't want any click go for japanese buttons and problem solved.

You say that name not mislead people. When I saw name of topic I say: Jisus new excellent leaf switches. I thought it until I read kowal's posts.

[Kremmit]

Leaf, because it tries to emulate some of the characteristics of a leafswitch.

What chcaracteristics? Emulate Plunger? Show me plunger in leaf switch.

Perhaps the word "some" isn't translating properly.

[Warborg]

We're arcade loving geeks - most of us have nothing better to do on weekend nights

Now this is blatently untrue!  I had some World of Warcraft to play, and then I was actually working on my cab instead of complaining about new parts for it... 

[patrickl]

What kind of doofus could possibly have been misled by that, when there's a PICTURE RIGHT THERE showing the microswitch.

Look at the initial replies. Several people there talking about real leaf switches.

It's not an attempt to mis-lead.  Does anybody really picture Randy sitting at his desk, thinking:  "Now, what can I call this thing that'll fool my customers into buying it, only to disappoint them when they receive it and find out it's not what they though they were buying?

Well I`d say he hopes the term leaf rubs off on his product and that the people who buy it are happy with the minimal improvement it gives over the normal micro switches.

[patrickl]

It certainly activates faster than a larger micro - as Ive verified that personally.

You have one laying around?

[Kremmit]

What kind of doofus could possibly have been misled by that, when there's a PICTURE RIGHT THERE showing the microswitch.

Look at the initial replies. Several people there talking about real leaf switches.

You should go look at the initial replies yourself.  I just re-read pages one and two, and I see people talking about real leafswitches alright, but I don't see anybody that thinks that these are real leafswitches. 

Well I`d say he hopes the term leaf rubs off on his product and that the people who buy it are happy with the minimal improvement it gives over the normal micro switches.

So, you:

a) admit these are an improvement over standard microswitches;
b) already know it's a "minimal" improvement, even though you haven't tried them?

[patrickl]

What kind of doofus could possibly have been misled by that, when there's a PICTURE RIGHT THERE showing the microswitch.

Look at the initial replies. Several people there talking about real leaf switches.

You should go look at the initial replies yourself.  I just re-read pages one and two, and I see people talking about real leafswitches alright, but I don't see anybody that thinks that these are real leafswitches. 

Some do.

Well I`d say he hopes the term leaf rubs off on his product and that the people who buy it are happy with the minimal improvement it gives over the normal micro switches.

So, you:

a) admit these are an improvement over standard microswitches;
b) already know it's a "minimal" improvement, even though you haven't tried them?

a) I never said otherwise. It has disadvantages and advantages. Overal it could be a minimal improvement for some.
b) Yes. It's not really different from what we have now. Besides, as shown before, I already have a "leaf joystick". So I'm obviously an expert in this cutting edge field of micro+leaf

[Xiaou2]

"You have one laying around?"

 As I posted, yes.

 I collect various electronic parts.   I also used to work in the arcades.   Anyways,
I have a mini micro.   My mini micro is slightly less efficient than Randy's cause the
activator point is not as close to the pivot point.   But, held in place by hand,
at the same angle as shown, I could easily see an improvement in actuation
distance over a standard microswitch.

 That said.. Im not sure I liked the feel of it. 


 Id still use real leafs in places of classic controls.    But might choose to add
these for fighters for example. 

[RandyT]

Pfft sure. This metal part on a switch is called a lever. You know perfectly well why instead you choose to call it a "leaf". Especially in the arcade scene here were leaf has a very different connotation from microswitch this an obvious attempt to mislead people.

Patrick.  I know there's a small language barrier with you (although not as much as others who are attempting to perpetuate this false notion) but you are starting to make yourself appear somewhat dim by constantly re-iterating this.

I inferred or outright stated that this was a microswitch several times in the description.  I will spell it out for you so it is clear...apologies for needing to quote myself.

"The only pushbutton switch to combine the best traits of both the classic leaf-style switch and the modern micro or "snap" switches."

I stated here that it combined the traits of the switches, not that it was a leaf-switch.  In fact, nowhere is it stated that these are leaf switches.  Don't you think that I would have made it quite clear that it was a leaf switch if it was indeed such a switch?

And a side note for those who haven't quite figured this out:  Microswitches with leaves, blades, levers, hinged metal plate actuators, ad nauseum, were created to fit into applications served earlier by leaf switches.  It's all about pre-travel, operating force, overtravel, and so on.  Simple microswitches can't approximate the action of a leaf-switch with just plunger actuation, so the blade arrangement was invented.  Internal to the switch used in the Micro-Leaf™, the parts are nearly identical, with the exception that pressure is not  placed on the contact point and the return component does not stress the arm holding the contacts, so misalignment does not occur.  It's also a more positive contact that is not prone to bounce.

The Micro-Leaf gets rid of the loud clicking

I didn't say "because it's a leaf switch, there is no clicking noise at all."  Don't you think I would have if this were the case?

Much like a leaf switch...

These 5 words draw a parallel, which specifically states that it is NOT the item it is being compared to.  It would be stupidly redundant to compare something against itself.

Actuation is fast and reset travel is tiny, making ultra-fast cycling a reality for the first time ever in a microswitch based arcade pushbutton.

If the others weren't enough, here I even stated quite clearly that the end result is a "microswitch based arcade pushbutton." ...Not leaf-switch based.

Pfft again. Smaller than what?

Smaller than conventional microswitches used in pushbuttons, obviously. 

A microswitch without a lever has a smaller activation distance than one with a lever........
.....
.....It has a very slight advantage (lighter activation) and a slight disadvantage (longer activation distance) over a regular microswitch.

Yes, and it also increases the resistance and the amount of feedback transferred.   A lighter activation is not a "slight advantage" and the throw is not longer.  You honestly couldn't be more wrong.

It is apparent that you are talking outside your area of expertise, which is exacerbated by the fact that you have no frame of reference with the product. 

RandyT

[Grasshopper]

Randy, this argument is ridiculous.

I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.

It's true that most people around here are experienced and will rapidly deduce from the pictures that you are in fact selling microswitches. However, someone new to the hobby might have heard somewhere that leaf switches offer a better feel without having actually seen a genuine leaf switch. Such a person could quite conceivably buy some of your switches based simply on the product's name, and then end up disappointed when he realises that he hasn't bought leaf switches after all.

Why not just change the name and move on? You don't even have to admit you're wrong. Just do it for the sake of good customer relations.

[Chris]

I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.

It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.

[Grasshopper]

I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.

It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.

Well there might be an element of that as well.

But whatever... It still doesn't alter the fact that Randy should just change the name. Problem solved.

[leapinlew]

I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.

It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.

 

I'm going to order them, and I suspect many other folks ordered them. How about we reserve judgment till after we get some reviews? I'm very excited about these buttons. I mean, whens the last time we had a functional change in buttons?

[Chris]

But whatever... It still doesn't alter the fact that Randy should just change the name. Problem solved.

To satisfy who?  The people who are complaining obviously aren't going to buy them no matter what they're called.  Unless you're suggesting that someone is going to say next year "Well, Randy's come out with this great new product but I won't buy it because last year he sold a microswitch with "leaf" in the name".

[kowal]

you have right to call this how you want

from today every has this right

Ponyboy sells japan - leaf
japan - because they are Japanese
leaf - because they act similarly to leafswich

they do not click
they are tender
they are soft
this is good equivalent leaf swich
obviously they are not  "leaf - switch" but today was it been possible was to name japan - leaf. he can call it how it wants

 I put to STC joystick microswiches on Hall effect. I will get electronic joystick!
I can name  him Ultra STC. he is cheaper from U360 and it also uses Hall effect.

[destructor]

Hehe, and begginers will buy these all leaf products and next throw to trash because ... where is leaf?

Where? You don't know? Leaf is in seller's money bag 

[Chris]

Except beginners who can't tell from the pictures that it's not a true leaf won't be able to tell any more in person.  But the switch will work well so they won't care.