Ok more info, im using an AGP AvrcadeVGA card, and using Directdraw rather than Direct 3D, (as this is the way your surpossed to setup mame to use the ArcadeVGA card). No hardware stretching or triplebuffe. Ill try and get some picks later but not sure if it will show that well in stills need to be moving to notice it i guess. Have also notice it in Undercover cops, when your character moves across the screen looks like the same effect. A good thing to compare it to is the Mode 7 effect that the Genesis/Megadrive try to do in the last few years of its production, manly in contra Hard Corps, the mid level boss on the 1st level kind of has the same effect on him, guess this will only be useful to people who have actuall played this game or had a MD or Genesis