Good series rarely face a good ending...

[SirPeale]

There was a show in the 90's I liked a lot but it sort of just disappeared all of a sudden. Can't remember the name but one of the characters was a dead girl ghost protecting her little brother and an anti-Christ figure named Sheriff Buck trying to turn him to the dark side. It was a really good show.

American Gothic.  Also one of my favorites.  I should watch it again, haven't seen it since it aired.

[Ed_McCarron]

Chuck norris is afraid of noone...except Jack Bauer

Nope.  Pretty sure he's afraid of Mr Rogers, too.
http://www.ultimateshowdown.org/

If I remember correctly (can't watch it right now), it wasn't Mr. Rogers that killed Chuck, rather a group comprising of Gandalf the grey and gandalf the white and monty python and the holy grail's black night, bennito mussolini and the blue meanie, cowboy curtis, jambi the genie, darth vader, robocop, terminator, lopan, superman, every single power ranger, bill s preston, theodore logan, spock, the rock, doc oc and hulk hogan.
I think I've missed someone though.
Love that flash. Pure Genius.

Yup.  I stand corrected.  Had to watch it again.

[WunderCade]

Ignoring the misguided racism, I'd like to point out that we never even see who the president is in the first season, all we see are the people in the presidential primary election.  If a black man running in the presidential primaries is too much for you to handle, then you probably should stay away from the upcoming primaries in the real world.

"Racism??" - That's a cheap shot.

 Anyways, Barak doesn't stand a chance of winning, he's just a media darling right now - a novelty. No big deal, novelties eventually lose interest, especially since his middle name is "Hussein."

[NightGod]

You flat out state that your reason for not watching a show was because you thought having a black man as POTUS was outside the realm of possibilty for you to accept and you don't think it's racism?

I'd seriously like to know what you definition of the word is...

[jbox]

This isn't in P&R people. You're supposed to ignore trolling here.

[ChadTower]

I don't seem to remember Palmer being President in Season 1 anyway.  It was someone else, a white guy, IIRC.  Palmer was a Senator then, wasn't he?

[shardian]

Ignoring the misguided racism, I'd like to point out that we never even see who the president is in the first season, all we see are the people in the presidential primary election.  If a black man running in the presidential primaries is too much for you to handle, then you probably should stay away from the upcoming primaries in the real world.

"Racism??" - That's a cheap shot.

 Anyways, Barak doesn't stand a chance of winning, he's just a media darling right now - a novelty. No big deal, novelties eventually lose interest, especially since his middle name is "Hussein."

It's official, you are definitely a racist. Palmer is a guy I wish would be our President in real life, I don't care if he is white, black, yellow or green. Also, the guy who plays Palmer is great.

And as for Barak, I agree his name is a big turn off for racists and the uneducated populace, but the fact is the guy is gaining major steam and is even out-fundraising Hilary Clinton. I'm no democrat, but I admit that his canidacy is getting more possible every day. If it falls apart once the real voters start voting, then fine. The FACT right now is the guy is a serious contender for the nomination.

[shardian]

I don't seem to remember Palmer being President in Season 1 anyway.  It was someone else, a white guy, IIRC.  Palmer was a Senator then, wasn't he?

Yeah, he was a senator trying to get the democratic nomination in season 1.

[SirPeale]

Palmer was just *running* in S1.

I don't find the idea of a black man as president as unrealistic as his freaking brother being elected to the same position just a few years later.

And as said...keep it civil.  Nasty stuff goes to P & R.

[ChadTower]

So, I guess the most obvious part of Wunder's comment is that the reason he stopped watching 24 "a few episodes after it debuted" is based on something that wasn't even present in the show. 

[shardian]

I don't find the idea of a black man as president as unrealistic as his freaking brother being elected to the same position just a few years later.

Hey, thanks for that.

[SirPeale]

Not because he's black, but because he's a brother.

Boy, does that not sound right.

I know father and sons have been president (perfect example is the current president).  I just didn't find it realistic.

Could it happen?  Of course it could.  Probable?  *shrug*

[shardian]

Not because he's black, but because he's a brother.

Boy, does that not sound right.

I know father and sons have been president (perfect example is the current president).  I just didn't find it realistic.

Could it happen?  Of course it could.  Probable?  *shrug*

I meant thanks for telling me what happens a few seasons down the road.

[ChadTower]

sharidan is complaining about the spoiler, not the idea.

I seem to remember in the first page of this thread someone suggesting we not post spoilers and no one cared then.  So eff it now.

I could see Wayne getting elected mostly because the first Palmer was really good and then the guy who followed him being such a lowlife.  Maybe the public hoping they could get the first Palmer back in a way but Wayne clearly wasn't his brother.

[SirPeale]

Oh.  Whoops!  Sorry, mate!

[shardian]

Can someone please post hell this thread? I can't resist reading it!!!!

[WunderCade]

So, I guess the most obvious part of Wunder's comment is that the reason he stopped watching 24 "a few episodes after it debuted" is based on something that wasn't even present in the show. 

Proof that, as I said....I stopped watching after a couple of episodes, but later I did see some sort of preview where the guy was referred to as Mr. President....so I guess I jumbled it by assumption. Since I disclaimed already that I didn't watch the show, I give myself a pass. Apparently this forum is plagued with people qwik on the draw with their race card.

Getting back to the topic and context of my remarks (and since this isn't P&R)....thanks for getting me the title of that show, American Gothic. I thought that was a good show. Did it have a finale?

[Hawk Daddy]

What about ABC's INVASION, it just got canceled when it was getting good.  And on top of that there was that chick named Alexia Deazie, or something like that, that was super hot.

Hawk

[AtomSmasher]

Studio 60 had a good ending, although I think they knew this was their only season, so they tied up most of the loose ends in the finale.

I'm surprised no ones mentioned Arrested Development, it had a great finale.

Anyone else watch Wonderfalls?  No?  Not too surprising since it only aired a couple episodes, but it did have a great finale which could only be seen on the dvd.  The exec producers also did the shows Dead Like Me and Firefly, so I think they decided to be prepared for a quick cancellation by completing the story arc in the first season.

Apparently this forum is plagued with people qwik on the draw with their race card.

You said you stopped watching the show because one of the characters was black....nothing racist there   

[SirPeale]

Apparently this forum is plagued with people qwik on the draw with their race card.

You said you stopped watching the show because one of the characters was black....nothing racist there   

No.  He said:

As far as 24, I stopped watching after the first four or five episodes after it debuted. I just thought the concept of a black POTUS was a bit Hollywood Liberal-ish for me. Didn't really seem a likely scenario so i lost interest quickly.

Big difference between "OMG he's BLACK?  I'm not gonna watch that!" and what he said.

Please don't rock the boat.  I'm saying this gently.

[AtomSmasher]

No.  He said:

As far as 24, I stopped watching after the first four or five episodes after it debuted. I just thought the concept of a black POTUS was a bit Hollywood Liberal-ish for me. Didn't really seem a likely scenario so i lost interest quickly.

Big difference between "OMG he's BLACK?  I'm not gonna watch that!" and what he said.

Please don't rock the boat.  I'm saying this gently.

Except he wasn't POTUS, he stopped watching because a black man was running in the presidential primaries.  But since your asking nicely, this is the last I will talk about this.

[WunderCade]

You said you stopped watching the show because one of the characters was black....nothing racist there   

I actually implied through what I said that  I stopped watching because of the Hollywood Liberal tendency for the producers to interject their political agendas through the plot lines of their series. We saw the same thing with "The West Wing" where they, not surprising chose to have the Democrat Sanchez win in the finale. It's the same thing where they had the black guy in "24" as the virtuous Democrat. It's that sort of liberal pandering that makes me roll my eyes, not the fact that he was black per se. I mean, it would've been refreshing to have a black Colin Powell type character win the Presidency as a Republican an save our nation from terrorists...but alas, the Hollywood liberals would never put forth such a notion. Some of these programs have become propaganda venues for the Democratic Party/

Boston Legal is yet another good example of what I am talking about. Denny Crane is the psychopathic Republican wacko and Alan Shore is the virtous level headed liberal trying to help Denny with his non-existent humanitanity.

 

[ChadTower]

Don't forget to factor in the hypersensitivity to the concept of him being President... so sensitive that he didn't notice the guy wasn't even President, after having supposedly watched 4-5 hours of the show.  He gave up on it because a black man might be President.

[WunderCade]

Don't forget to factor in the hypersensitivity to the concept of him being President... so sensitive that he didn't notice the guy wasn't even President, after having supposedly watched 4-5 hours of the show.  He gave up on it because a black man might be President.

That's ludicrous. I've already explained myself on this if you care to read a post or two back.

[ChadTower]

Would be a plausible explanation if David Palmer were an overt liberal democrat.  His social policies were barely even mentioned on the show, and wouldn't matter anyway, seeing as how he was only a Senator.  Your short circuit assumptions about the character and the show are not borne out by the character or the story.

[shardian]

Please don't rock the boat.  I'm saying this gently.

Looks like you're gonna have to order some cavity searches Peale. 

[WunderCade]

Would be a plausible explanation if David Palmer were an overt liberal democrat.  His social policies were barely even mentioned on the show, and wouldn't matter anyway, seeing as how he was only a Senator.  Your short circuit assumptions about the character and the show are not borne out by the character or the story.

Well, if he did become President at some....my notion still stands. I think he did because like I said....somewhere along the line I saw a preview where Sutherland referred to him as "Mr. President". So nit-picking when he "was a Senator" misses the point I think.

[WunderCade]

Please don't rock the boat.  I'm saying this gently.

Looks like you're gonna have to order some cavity searches Peale. 

Just trying to set the record straight after AtomSmasher's accusation. But we're being very civil about it. No harm, No foul. 

[ChadTower]

Well, if he did become President at some....my notion still stands. I think he did because like I said....somewhere along the line I saw a preview where Sutherland referred to him as "Mr. President". So nit-picking when he "was a Senator" misses the point I think.

It's not nit-picking at all.  A preview where Sutherland called him "Mr President" would have been something like two actual years after you said you stopped watching because you thought he was President.  So just the slight chance that he might be President is your stated reason for not watching anymore.

You could just as easily have said "I stopped watching for no reason" and not gotten any crap.   Next time do that.

BTW, had you kept watching, you also would have seen something else happen to the man more in keeping with what you appear to believe.

[WunderCade]

BTW, had you kept watching, you also would have seen something else happen to the man more in keeping with what you appear to believe.

Low blow buddy. I may be a partisan, but I would never wish anyone to get assassinated. 

[shardian]

Well, if he did become President at some....my notion still stands. I think he did because like I said....somewhere along the line I saw a preview where Sutherland referred to him as "Mr. President". So nit-picking when he "was a Senator" misses the point I think.

It's not nit-picking at all.  A preview where Sutherland called him "Mr President" would have been something like two actual years after you said you stopped watching because you thought he was President.  So just the slight chance that he might be President is your stated reason for not watching anymore.

You could just as easily have said "I stopped watching for no reason" and not gotten any crap.   Next time do that.

BTW, had you kept watching, you also would have seen something else happen to the man more in keeping with what you appear to believe.

Yeah, it was kind of creepy because when we were watching the first season once the plot unfolded, it was announced that Obama was getting secret service protection for "unspecified reasons".

[shardian]

BTW, had you kept watching, you also would have seen something else happen to the man more in keeping with what you appear to believe.

Low blow buddy. I may be a partisan, but

So you'd be cool with a black republican candidate?

[jbox]

"Space: Above & Beyond" and "Futurama" both got canned too early, at least they managed to bring Futurama back. "Arrested Development" is another example (along with SG-1 & B5) of where the writers at least got to tie up a whole bunch of stuff nicely when they thought they wouldn't get another chance. 

Tobias, you can't *do* that.
Why not, they're my shares!
No, I mean you can't spoon me like that.
 

[AtomSmasher]

"Space: Above & Beyond" and "Futurama" both got canned too early, at least they managed to bring Futurama back. "Arrested Development" is another example (along with SG-1 & B5) of where the writers at least got to tie up a whole bunch of stuff nicely when they thought they wouldn't get another chance. 

Tobias, you can't *do* that.
Why not, they're my shares!
No, I mean you can't spoon me like that.
 

Heh, I guess someone did mention arrested development.  I should of looked harder for someone referencing it since it was too good of a show for someone not to of mentioned it.

[NightGod]

You said you stopped watching the show because one of the characters was black....nothing racist there   

I actually implied through what I said that  I stopped watching because of the Hollywood Liberal tendency for the producers to interject their political agendas through the plot lines of their series. We saw the same thing with "The West Wing" where they, not surprising chose to have the Democrat Sanchez win in the finale. It's the same thing where they had the black guy in "24" as the virtuous Democrat. It's that sort of liberal pandering that makes me roll my eyes, not the fact that he was black per se. I mean, it would've been refreshing to have a black Colin Powell type character win the Presidency as a Republican an save our nation from terrorists...but alas, the Hollywood liberals would never put forth such a notion. Some of these programs have become propaganda venues for the Democratic Party/

Boston Legal is yet another good example of what I am talking about. Denny Crane is the psychopathic Republican wacko and Alan Shore is the virtous level headed liberal trying to help Denny with his non-existent humanitanity.

 

You missed a good show for a reason that never bore fruit then, for the record-Palmer never became some Hollywood-esk liberal during the show, the way he was portrayed throughout the show, he likely would have gotten along as well with Alan Shore as he would have with Denny. Really, he was a lot closer to your Colin Powell ideal than anything else, something you missed out on by giving up on the show entirely too quickly-he didn't even become a central character until later seasons, he was little more than a bit part during season one-most of the CTU staff had far more screen time than he did. For most fans of the show, David Palmer is a beloved character, and that's because of his strength during the various crisis portrayed on the show, his political leanings were never really mentioned, that I can remember.

[Texasmame]

Ah, Quantum Leap was a pretty good show.

I never did get all the hub-bub over 24.  I guess I just don't buy Alex Lifeson as a leading man.  

I did rent season 1 of The Sopranos.  Stopped watching after about 3 episodes, tho.  Just didn't do it for me.

Watched about a season and a half of Oz on DVD.  Just lost interest.

Not very big on T.V., I guess.   It's mostly crap. 

Oh, and liberals suck.   

[SirPeale]

24 season 1 was awesome.  Then season 2 came and blew it away.  After that it wasn't as good.

[AtomSmasher]

Daybreak is another show I thought ended well (assuming you watched the episodes that they webcast, rather than stopping when they were no longer broadcast on TV). A series that had a definite ending in mind from day one-though they left just enough ambiguity that it could possibly have returned, but I'm personally glad it didn't-I'm actually sort of happy that the ratings were bad enough that it wasn't given a second season, I think it would have felt too forced. If you haven't seen it, find the DVD when it gets released, you won't regret it.

I just finished watching the first season of Daybreak (the entire season is still available to watch on abc's website) and it did have a good ending.  It's sad that good shows like that get cancelled before they're given a real chance, but your right, I don't think they could of made a second season work half as well as the first one.  It took me a minute to figure out who the guy in the very last shot of the finale was, but it was the perfect way to end it, tied up one loose end I thought they forgot about.  (I think I was obscure enough that it doesn't need to be tagged as a spoiler).

[WunderCade]

As far as 24, I stopped watching after the first four or five episodes after it debuted. I just thought the concept of a black POTUS was a bit Hollywood Liberal-ish for me. Didn't really seem a likely scenario so i lost interest quickly.

I take umbrage at someone thinking this quote is racist. It seemed merely practical and reasonable at the time. Actually, it smeared liberals more than anything else. Something I wholeheartedly admit to doing routinely.

Sue me.

[CCM]

As far as 24, I stopped watching after the first four or five episodes after it debuted. I just thought the concept of a black POTUS was a bit Hollywood Liberal-ish for me. Didn't really seem a likely scenario so i lost interest quickly.

I take umbrage at someone thinking this quote is racist. It seemed merely practical and reasonable at the time. Actually, it smeared liberals more than anything else. Something I wholeheartedly admit to doing routinely.

Sue me.

This has been eating at you for 8 months and you finally decided you had to reply??