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Author Topic: Heroes 2nd season (title updated - previously about season 1 finale)  (Read 4284 times)

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Me and the wife thought it was crappy. What a complete dissapointment after all the build-up of the entire season.The first 50 minutes was a waste of time and felt more like a mid-season episode than what was supposed to be a finale. The conclusion/resolution was a HUGE letdown, and the teaser for next season didn't exactly leave me "chompin at the bit" for next season. After seeing this, I wish this show was canceled instead of Jericho. At least that show went out on a high note.

So, now that I have let out my spoiler free rant, what does everyone else think?
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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2007, 12:25:12 am »
Now you know how 'LOST' fans feel!  ;D

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2007, 01:07:02 am »
It was much better than the first 2 Lost finales by a big margin. The problem with the Heroes finale is the episode that aired a few weeks ago, where they went to the future. That was maybe the best single tv show episode ever, it was like a movie. There was no way that the season finale could have ever come close to being that good. I felt tonight's episode was a good one and I'm satisfied that this story line actually had an ending. The final battle was a let down, but I'm not sure how crazy they could have gotten with a tv show budget. I expect big things next season.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2007, 08:23:34 am »
Now you know how 'LOST' fans feel!  ;D

Yeah, I'm one of those too...unfortunately. I just wish that Lost would wrap it up already

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2007, 09:32:14 am »
I feel for people who actually thought lost would be a good show.  It's common sense that it'd end up sucking because the core concept of the show is flawed.  To put it bluntly, gilligan's island is not a valid plot for a serious drama in 2007. 


I dunno what everyone is complaining about... the heroes ending was perfect.  I'm not sure what you guys expected, but this is NOT a action show and thus some big epic battle at the end was out of the question.  The show is smallville on steroids basically.... They made a wise decision by actually closing the season 1 storyline and not doing some lame cliff-hanger.  I remember surface, which was critically acclaimed had one of those big, epic cliff-hangers and it didn't return the next season.  It makes for some definate frustration and the way networks are cancelling shows for no apparent reason, nothing is ever certain.

With that being said, either I need to be a tv writer, or the show is a tad predictable.  I've predicted every single plot twist, who dies and who lives, ect....  That's not necessarily a bad thing though as I find how I would write the show to be more interesting than your typical tv pos.

I'm also not sure what all the big praise for the future episode is for.  Ming you it was well written, but it's an oooooooold sci-fi plot device, going back as far as early seasons of Star Trek: TNG.  Nothing ground breaking here, I'm suprised they didn't throw in a "mirror mirror" episode for good measure.  ;)

On the other hand, Jericho's ending was the one that was crap.  Hmm... let's see, after an entire season of none of the main characters dying (and remember this is post-apocalypse, so that's insainely un-realistic) the best ending they could come up with is to kill off a third-teir character that isn't crucial to the plot anyway.  Oh and the whole army thing.... they didn't even bother to come up with something new, they just recycled the plot device from half-way through the season.  Jericho had another season ahead of it, but that's about it. 

Heros could go on indefinately though.  The reason behind this is real simple.  The good thing about a show with super heros in it is even if the writers take a nap for a few episodes, super-powers are bad-ass and thus it's still interesting to watch.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2007, 09:51:58 am »
The future episode doesn't have to be something that's never been done before to be good. The art direction, lighting photography and drama were a cut above anything you normally see on network television. It was everything that all of the X-Men movies failed to be.

Lost had the potential to be the best show ever, but I don't think it ever really found it's way. If they would have dropped all of the lame mystery stuff and made it a show of survival, with the Losties vs the Others I think it would have been way more interesting. Heroes proved that you can have mystery and give answers without killing the show. It was easy to guess a lot of the plot twists because they pretty much told you what was going to happen from the word go.

I've been watching the first few seasons of Alias again and that show has a lot in common with Lost. Both started out awesome but ended up losing their way by the third season. Both ended up crushed under the weight of their own mythologies and web of mysteries. The writing on both shows become increasingly unbelievable as time goes on too.

Each week on Lost, the losties get dumber and more gullible, especially Sawyer, the con artist who's been conned by every single person on the show. Also, the fact that every single thing that the Losties do all fits into Ben's master plan is weak "Oh, Jack just shot Ben in the face! Now Ben has him just where he wants him". It's as unbelievable as the CIA handing over control of one of it's divisions to Arvin Sloan after bringing down SD-6.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2007, 12:11:36 pm »
I didn't walk away from Heroes with that feeling of good resolution. All of that buildup over the season culminated in a 2-minute scene.
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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2007, 12:31:24 pm »
I feel for people who actually thought lost would be a good show.  It's common sense that it'd end up sucking because the core concept of the show is flawed.  To put it bluntly, gilligan's island is not a valid plot for a serious drama in 2007. 

I haven't watched season 3 yet, so I don't know how the show ends up tail-spinning, but this is just a bizarre comment.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2007, 12:34:47 pm »
I dunno what everyone is complaining about... the heroes ending was perfect.  I'm not sure what you guys expected, but this is NOT a action show and thus some big epic battle at the end was out of the question.  The show is smallville on steroids basically.... They made a wise decision by actually closing the season 1 storyline and not doing some lame cliff-hanger. 

On the other hand, Jericho's ending was the one that was crap.  Hmm... let's see, after an entire season of none of the main characters dying (and remember this is post-apocalypse, so that's insainely un-realistic) the best ending they could come up with is to kill off a third-teir character that isn't crucial to the plot anyway.  Oh and the whole army thing.... they didn't even bother to come up with something new, they just recycled the plot device from half-way through the season.  Jericho had another season ahead of it, but that's about it. 

Heros could go on indefinately though.  The reason behind this is real simple.  The good thing about a show with super heros in it is even if the writers take a nap for a few episodes, super-powers are bad-ass and thus it's still interesting to watch.

Technically, Heroes IS supposed to be the show with all the action, and Jericho is meant to be more about the people and their struggle to survive than the action. And why is it unrealistic that people don't start dropping like fly's in a rural town? The two major death's in Jericho were very meaningful and very well done. The death scenes of April and Johnston were the best scenes of the whole show. I do agree that Jericho only had another season worth of writing in it. That is a bad thing why?? Not every show has to go on and on.

Oh and about the neatly wrapped up Heroes ending, apparently you missed the blood trail to the sewer.
The ending was rushed, poorly written, and very poorly executed. Next season, Heroes is going on my record list so I can watch it uninterrupted at the end of the season. Disappointment is soo much easier to handle when you don't wait a year for it.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2007, 12:37:51 pm »
I haven't watched season 3 yet, so I don't know how the show ends up tail-spinning, but this is just a bizarre comment.

In a nutshell, the writers went apeshit with new mysteries and theories, so much to the point that they contradict each other. All the while, they have not answered even a SINGLE small mystery from the last two seasons. Hell, they haven't even addressed the aftermath of the Season 2 finale. They are more than happy to shove meaningless additional backstory of characters down your throat though. I wish they would do away with flashbacks unless they are absolutely necessary.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2007, 02:09:45 pm »
I like Lost.  It stopped being "Gilligan's island" after season 1.

To those who can't figure it out, the story starts off at a "microscopic" level and then keeps "panning back" revealing an ever-bigger "picture".  These last episodes have revealed how much more of the outside world is truly involved with this island. Next season we're expected to see the even bigger picture of how mega-conglomerates are battling over this island, "end world" conspiracies, etc...
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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2007, 02:27:11 pm »
I like Lost.  It stopped being "Gilligan's island" after season 1.

To those who can't figure it out, the story starts off at a "microscopic" level and then keeps "panning back" revealing an ever-bigger "picture".  These last episodes have revealed how much more of the outside world is truly involved with this island. Next season we're expected to see the even bigger picture of how mega-conglomerates are battling over this island, "end world" conspiracies, etc...


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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2007, 07:16:04 pm »
I feel for people who actually thought lost would be a good show.  It's common sense that it'd end up sucking because the core concept of the show is flawed.  To put it bluntly, gilligan's island is not a valid plot for a serious drama in 2007. 

I haven't watched season 3 yet, so I don't know how the show ends up tail-spinning, but this is just a bizarre comment.

What's bizarre is that Howard still had to watch the show, even though he claimed "it's common sense that it'd end up sucking".

Watching a show that apparently any helmet-clad short bus rider could tell would suck, then commenting on it.....oookaaaaayyyyy :dunno
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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2007, 07:54:00 pm »
What's bizarre is that Howard still had to watch the show, even though he claimed "it's common sense that it'd end up sucking".

Watching a show that apparently any helmet-clad short bus rider could tell would suck, then commenting on it.....oookaaaaayyyyy :dunno

He didn't watch the show - it's just a simple fact that Howard knows everything. DUH  :P

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2007, 08:12:28 pm »
What's bizarre is that Howard still had to watch the show, even though he claimed "it's common sense that it'd end up sucking".

Watching a show that apparently any helmet-clad short bus rider could tell would suck, then commenting on it.....oookaaaaayyyyy :dunno

He didn't watch the show - it's just a simple fact that Howard knows everything. DUH  :P

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2007, 08:26:20 pm »
What's bizarre is that Howard still had to watch the show, even though he claimed "it's common sense that it'd end up sucking".

Watching a show that apparently any helmet-clad short bus rider could tell would suck, then commenting on it.....oookaaaaayyyyy :dunno

He didn't watch the show - it's just a simple fact that Howard knows everything. DUH  :P

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2007, 09:11:17 pm »
I liked the season finale of Heroes.  As a matter of fact, there's not one episode the entire season that left me disappointed.  That being said, my one gripe is that the whole face-off with Sylar scene seemed almost anti-climactic.  I wished they spent a little more time on it than the whole build-up to it. 

Still a good show.

As for Lost:  I actually never watched the show until this year, and even now not religiously.  I caught up via a special, narrated clip show at the beginning of the season.  I might enjoy it more if they didn't stretch it out so long.  According to Entertainment Weekly, it's going to be on until 2010.  ::)

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2007, 10:18:50 pm »
Heck...I love both Lost and Heroes.  Heroes should've been extended as a two hour finale, no doubt about it.  That fight definitely could've lasted a little longer, with the other heroes getting involved a bit more.
I was pleased how they teased us with the other, WORSE "boogeyman" that can see the little girl when she thinks of him.  The question is, could it be someone we've seen before?  How could she locate/think of him unless she's already met/seen him?
It ALMOST looked like Sylar's blood was alive when they gave us that final shot of the manhole.  I need to watch that again.
And when will Hiro fight the dinosaur?  Presumably next season?
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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2007, 10:52:23 pm »
I do like the show "heroes"... I don't think its amazing... but still much better than any reality bs show...

However, I do think the season finale is a let down.... I mean... they can make that future episode... they can do that again here.... I mean... a little more fighting...
a little more eye candy... would have make it so much better...

I felt like they spent too much time telling the story and left with the last 2 minutes to do the fight scene and they have to end it asap....

but what can I say... I like sci fi, and super powers stuffs.... so when they're back, I think I'll still keep an eye on it....

edit: when I say eye candy, I don't really mean "female" type eye candy... (well... I don't mind that either...) but more of sci fi CG type eye candy....
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2007, 11:20:13 pm »
The scene with Hiro and the dinosaur already happened. It was a statue of a dinosaur and I think it happened when he stole the sword.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2007, 11:37:45 pm »
I was a disappointed with the season finale, but you know, the more I thought about it, the more I believe it was an appropriate ending.

I would have loved to see an all out fight between Peter and Sylar, using every power in the book they could throw at each other.  This would be more like the possible future episode we've already seen.

But that style of fight wouldn't fit Peters character.

Future Peter is dark, gritty, and literally has said he enjoys a good fight.
Present day Peter is how his mother views him, weak and unsure of himself.

It made sense for Sylar to dominate the fight and for Peter to not do much of anything.  He's not truly assumed his "hero" role just yet.  He's still doubting himself.  With that in mind, a boring fight scene is actually pretty darn realistic.  Him keeping the other characters out of the fight in an attempt to keep them safe is also realistic.  There was a lot of lead up to the huge fight, but really, it wouldn't fit the characters if it was a huge brawl. 

The actual ending aside, I did like how the introduced the concept of someone even worse then Sylar.  I'm looking forward to that next season.  I don't like how everyone mysterious overlooked Sylar crawling into the sewer...I'm all for him being alive in some form, but it seemed to be a cop out that they all conveniently missed him escaping. 

As for season 2...I'm really thinking that George Takei (Hiro's dad) is one of the samurais we saw.  His father obviously has powers, and if the time travel gift runs in the family, that would add a neat twist.  I'm fully expecting the father or Hiro himself to be the famous Takezo Kensei we've heard so much about.  I could be wrong...but we'll find out nex season!

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2007, 04:02:51 am »
The ending with Sylar's blood was LAME! LAME! LAME! Sylar has been spending the last week seeing the future over and over again, a much better ending would have been *not* showing us a stupid blood trail but zooming into the building behind us and showing a decapitated Candice instead...  :hissy:

As for the fight scene, it would have been more realistic to happen all at once - with both men shooting and Niki swinging the pole all together and having Sylar only just hold it together, throw them all off and then turn grinning back to Peter only to find Hiro instead sliding a sword into him before he can recover from the last fight. And c'mon, who seriously wasn't expecting Hiro to interact with the ancient hero stories they kept bringing up over and over again. It's *his* show after all.  8)

Lastly, the fundamental problem is that good storytelling and open-ended shows are mutually contradictory. You just can't have the kind of clever cryptic clues that made the early B5 episodes worth watching two or three times to glean all the meat from, unless you have a plan that tells you where the show is going. Otherwise you just get B5 Season 5 over and over again. :(
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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2007, 10:04:58 am »
As for Lost:  I actually never watched the show until this year, and even now not religiously.  I caught up via a special, narrated clip show at the beginning of the season.  I might enjoy it more if they didn't stretch it out so long.  According to Entertainment Weekly, it's going to be on until 2010.  ::)

Lost is going to run until 2010 but with 16 episodes per season  These last three seasons will air uninterrupted from February to May.  So, after the season finale tonight, there will be 48 episodes left.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2007, 10:26:47 am »
As for Lost:  I actually never watched the show until this year, and even now not religiously.  I caught up via a special, narrated clip show at the beginning of the season.  I might enjoy it more if they didn't stretch it out so long.  According to Entertainment Weekly, it's going to be on until 2010.  ::)

Lost is going to run until 2010 but with 16 episodes per season  These last three seasons will air uninterrupted from February to May.  So, after the season finale tonight, there will be 48 episodes left.

I think they are making yet another mistake doing only one 16 episode season per year. I think they should stagger it to a season in the fall, then a late spring/summer season, and the final season in the following February.
I just love their logic though: "Hey, how can we reinvigorate a show that people are leaving because things are taking too long to develop? How about taking two seasons worth of episodes and stretching it over three seasons? BRILLIANT!"  :angry:

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2007, 10:31:22 am »
As for Lost:  I actually never watched the show until this year, and even now not religiously.  I caught up via a special, narrated clip show at the beginning of the season.  I might enjoy it more if they didn't stretch it out so long.  According to Entertainment Weekly, it's going to be on until 2010.  ::)

Lost is going to run until 2010 but with 16 episodes per season  These last three seasons will air uninterrupted from February to May.  So, after the season finale tonight, there will be 48 episodes left.

I think they are making yet another mistake doing only one 16 episode season per year. I think they should stagger it to a season in the fall, then a late spring/summer season, and the final season in the following February.
I just love their logic though: "Hey, how can we reinvigorate a show that people are leaving because things are taking too long to develop? How about taking two seasons worth of episodes and stretching it over three seasons? BRILLIANT!"  :angry:

I like Lost and will watch it until the series is over, but I do tend to agree with your comments.  I really think they focused in on the fact that they many viewers didn't return after the hiatus and then figured fine, we'll do the same thing '24' is doing - new episodes every week without interuptions.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2007, 12:52:45 pm »
Their mistake (Lost) was moving the show slot to 10pm.
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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2007, 01:14:31 pm »
Their mistake (Lost) was moving the show slot to 10pm.


That could be part of the reason, but the general consensus is the winter break/hiatus hurt them big time.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2007, 03:28:24 pm »
I think part of the reason the hiatus hurt Lost so much is this season started out really bad and wasn't getting any better. I believe people were already starting to lose interest and the hiatus was the last straw.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #28 on: May 23, 2007, 03:41:15 pm »
I can't stand the way they schedule TV shows.  That's why I'm waiting to watch LOST and 24 on DVD (plus the fact that I'm too impatient to wait a week to see the next show).

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2007, 04:55:24 pm »
I can't stand the way they schedule TV shows.  That's why I'm waiting to watch LOST and 24 on DVD (plus the fact that I'm too impatient to wait a week to see the next show).

We just finished the second season of 24 on DVD. I would have went crazy if I watched that show live! Every frikkin episode is the equivalent of a season finale for any other show on tv.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2007, 07:01:46 pm »
Their mistake (Lost) was moving the show slot to 10pm.

They couldn't leave it at 9 either.  Criminal Minds was taking away Lost's audience.

I say move it to a different day.  Monday and Tuesday are bad.  So...maybe Thursday?  Or just start it at 8 on Wednesday.  Never anything on at 8 on Wednesdays.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2007, 12:27:42 am »
Since we are on the subject of Lost...WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??
Awesome finale and all, but not one damn answer to island stuff and the cliffhanger, DAMN! Frustrating and yet somewhat awesome at the same time. I'll just leave it at that for all you TIVO folks out there.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2007, 01:01:47 am »
Ugh... I suppose I'm going to have to explain WHY it was the perfect ending now... I didn't think you guys were that slow.  

Ok the thing you've got to remember is there isn't a main character in Heroes, it's written in such a way that depending upon who you favor,there are about three or four.  The problem with that is everyone wants their main character to save the world, and the way the finale was written, this one could argue that any of the three or 4 did.  

First you have Peter, he's the obvious choice for all the dumb "darg what's a sub-plot?" fans out there.  He's the typical generic hero guy, so of course he must save the world.  He does by standing up against Syler and preventing the bomb.  Next we have Hiro.  He's our number two guy and your typical underdog type of hero.  In typical foreshadowing fashion, he pretty much dreamed of being special and being a hero before he was even aware of his powers.  With all of his speeches of destiny and what's right, he had to save the world.  By stabbing sylar he did.  Now with all of this "save the cheerleader, save the world" business clair had to be involved, and she was.  She, along with peter, changed the heart of Nathan, so she, indirectly saved the world.  Getting on to Nathan.....  he ws more of a dark horse that was too subtle for people to get early on... I caught it though back towards the beginning.  Probably the most well thought-out plot of the show was his transformation from a greedy, self-centered conservative into what being a hero is really about, caring for others before yourself.  He literally saved the world, and in grand star trek 2 style no less.  

Now for the main sub-plot.  Nikki was never meant to save the world, she was meant to save herself.  Her struggle with Jessica for control or her life and family was sybolic of our own struggles of moral question.  With her giving that solid whack at Syler, it marked her first self-less act, (had nothing to do with her or her family) and showed that she was on the mend.

Let's see more minor plots.....  Seresh found closure by saving the little girl and coming to terms with his birth being mainly to save his sister.  The cop....(sorry his name has slipped my mind).  Early on in the show he talked to his wife about what it would mean to him to be a detective, to do good, to be a (wait for it....) hero.  The little girl's plea as he's hauled into the ambulance full-filled his destiny.  And of course dark-rimmed glasses plot is fairly self-explainatory, he came to terms with the fact that maybe what he's been doing all these years wasn't for the greater good and went to fix it.  Now that he can stop living a lie, both literally and methphorically, he can put his family back together.  Clair of course learned the very "after-school special" lesson that being different doesn't make you a freak, it makes you special.  

Yes I saw the bloody trail, it should be obvious at this point that I pay a little more attention when watching a show than the average viewer.  I don't want to give away my theories yet, but lets say that Syler was more likely "collected" than an escape.  

The Hiro in the past preview was a little predictable, but it'll be good.  An introduction to Kenzei (who I also belive is related to Hiro's dad, but not that way) will put light onto the fact that the mutation is not as new as we were to believe in the beginning, and of course explain what the deal is with that shoosh symbol popping up all the time.  While he's in the past for the beginning of season 2, the others will uncover the previous generation of hero's in the present and their role in a planned aocalypse (that'll tie in to the collected bit I theorized about earlier).  

In case you guys didn't figure it out, of course peter isn't dead.  He'll fall to earth eventually.

Ok that sums it up pretty much.  


Now for responses to other comments.  

No Jericho was about the action, and heros was about the interpersonal relationships.  What the shows should have been in your opinion or what they started out as, has nothing to do with how they actually turned out.  The meat of every Heroes epsiode was about the relationships between the characters, with mild pauses of bad-ass action.  The meat of every Jericho episode was our invincible can't die boy going out and shooting half of the surviving world a-la 80's action flick with mild pauses of interpersonal back-story.  I rather liked Jericho, but more like how I like a "so-so" sic-fi drama.  I really enjoyed it and I think it had another good season out of it, but "eh" I can live without it.  Can't say the same for heroes.  I mean Jericho's main plot points (I mean that literally, there are only two) kind of phizzled out 5 to 10 episodes before the finale.  The bulk of our questions were already answered too soon, and badly I might add, so that after the break, a lot of people didn't bother to finish up.  

My comment on Lost should have been obvious.  It's nearly impossible, in this day and age, to loose an entire airplane on an island... especially with survivors.  The show was flawed before it even began.  To combat this obvious flaw, the writers invented lots of crazy scifi-drama excuses, ever-increasing in their levels of b.s.  This is pretty much the plot of gilligan's island.  People like the cast-aways on the island, so they can't leave the island, so every time they are close to escaping, they need to pull a "Gilligan" so they can't leave.  No I don't watch the show, I didn't even watch the first episode.  I do know people that watch the show though, and unfortunately talk about it constantly, that's how I know about it.  Much as I predicted, it started to fizzle out after season one and never really recovered.  


Hope that clears things up... actually think about the heroes stuff btw.  If you can think of a better ending that satifies the requirment that all of the plots and sub plots I highlighted had to have some full-filling closure then I'd like to hear it.  It's a delicate balance on a show like that between giving the fans too much of what they want and thus making season 2 pointless, and not giving them enough, thus making it another lost and driving people away.




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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2007, 03:45:37 am »
You mean the little details like how the fight where Nikki learns how to use her powers for the first time wasn't actually real since supposedly the real Candice is actually a 'pound cake'? That's why I hate that character being able to change *everything* around us instead of just her own appearance - since it gives the writers the "it was all an illusion" cop-out on every scene.  :banghead:

And Mohindar supposedly didn't even *know* about his sister until the last few weeks of his life, and didn't know he contained the cure until the day before, so I think it's fairly safe to assume his "closure" moment came about from getting to help the team 'kill' Sylar, the man that he and his father both 'accidentally' helped make stronger.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2007, 08:48:07 am »
Whew! What a relief. Thanks for clearing all that up Howard. We can all rest easy now knowing that our resident know-it-all is on the case.  :applaud:

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2007, 10:49:17 am »
WOW, we are all soooo lucky to have Howard here to explain things to us feeble minds..   :laugh2:

One thing you didn't explain, Howard, is the 'special' math you used in the other thread about Jericho where you named it CBS's #2 show!?  Even a feeble mind like me knows that networks don't cancel their #2 shows.  So please explain this to me, I'm too dumb to understand why Jericho was cancelled...   ::)

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2007, 10:49:56 am »
Yeah, resident TV expert HC who seems to know all there is to know about Lost but...

No I don't watch the show, I didn't even watch the first episode.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2007, 10:55:42 am »
WOW, we are all soooo lucky to have Howard here to explain things to us feeble minds..   :laugh2:

One thing you didn't explain, Howard, is the 'special' math you used in the other thread about Jericho where you named it CBS's #2 show!?  Even a feeble mind like me knows that networks don't cancel their #2 shows.  So please explain this to me, I'm too dumb to understand why Jericho was cancelled...   ::)

Don't bother wasting your breath on asking HC why they cancelled Jericho (per Howard, CBS's #2 show).  In the other thread I asked him repeatedly about his comments - no response.  Looks as though the resident TV expert likes to spout off on various TV shows (including one that he's never seen!) then disappears.  I suspect this will be the same with the diatribe above.

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2007, 11:11:18 am »
WOW, we are all soooo lucky to have Howard here to explain things to us feeble minds..   :laugh2:

One thing you didn't explain, Howard, is the 'special' math you used in the other thread about Jericho where you named it CBS's #2 show!?  Even a feeble mind like me knows that networks don't cancel their #2 shows.  So please explain this to me, I'm too dumb to understand why Jericho was cancelled...   ::)

Don't bother wasting your breath on asking HC why they cancelled Jericho (per Howard, CBS's #2 show).  In the other thread I asked him repeatedly about his comments - no response.  Looks as though the resident TV expert likes to spout off on various TV shows (including one that he's never seen!) then disappears.  I suspect this will be the same with the diatribe above.

It makes perfect sense why Howard knows everything about Lost: Howardc IS Jacob!!!! :laugh2:

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Re: Heroes Season Finale...what does everyone who watches it think?
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2007, 11:38:32 am »
It makes perfect sense why Howard knows everything about Lost: Howardc IS Jacob!!!! :laugh2:

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