Like I said, there is a line, and that game crossed it. Here's a couple of counterpoints:
But whose line do you choose? You may not want to see a game like Death Race, but what happens if I do? You're now impinging on my right to choose to play these games because my line isn't the same as yours.
Yeah, but it is a fist fight, not murdering innocent pedestrians - bit of a difference.
In many laymans eyes, the difference isn't that much, if any at all. To a person who hasn't played the game, all they see are people beating each other up. SF was just an example. If I had chosen MK, and a politicain saw one of the famous fatality moves, what would be said to that?
I disagree - you are supposed to NOT shoot\crash into the innocents, just get the "bad guys."
We understand the distinction, but to a parent who has no knowledge of the game, a politician who has more interest in garnering votes or someone like Thompson who likes the limelight, there is no distinction. Violence is violence. I don't necessarily agree with that kind of logic, but that's the sad truth of it.
I believe you are referring to the theory that people who torture insects\animals show signs of being potential serial killers - torture is not the goal of games like Centipede, so I will have to say this one's just silly.
So is blaming violent games for violent behavior. To the media, you only need to sound convincing for people to take that kind of view. To pick on Thompson again, he is a classic example of how someone can twist facts to meet their own agenda. Do I think Centipede promotes violent behavior? Of course not. But I guarantee, that given enough time, I can probably locate someone that thinks even Pacman is too violent. Why they would think that, I don't know, but I'm sure someone out there thinks so or can be led to think so.
Let's not go overboard here, I just want to say that a game like that crosses the line - it just should never have been made, and apparently enough people thought the same at the time of the games creation to squelch the widespread distribution.
Well, to be fair, that's what you feel. I feel differently about where that line is and whether something that should've been made that crosses it. I'm not saying I have no standards. Things like Ero Guro dabble in a realm I have no desire to take part in. But would I out and out destroy Ero Guro arcade (if one existed)? Most likely not, but like you mention at one point, an age restriction and locale should be in effect. I have no problem with restricting play access to something like Death Race, It's the destruction I have a problem with.
The computer theory "Garbage in Garbage Out" applies to the human mind as well. I wonder what you think is the explaination of why there has been a rise in violent crimes, particularly in schools these days?
Bad parenting. Not movies, not music, not video games, not the Internet, not books. Bad parenting and an infrastructure that makes good parenting increasingly difficult.
Take a picture of it, and put a caption underneath it: "This was a mistake, learn from it and don't repeat it." There, satisfied?
No. I've seen pictures of P-38's, but it's absolutely no comparison to seeing one in a museum, or even in flight. P-38's sucked ass to fly, but they were still gorgeous pieces of equipment.
I agree 100 percent there. I screen everthing my kids watch, play and read - something most parents don't do. I don't allow my kids to go over to one neighbor's house just because the mother lets the kids watch whatever they want on tv.
Following your line of reason, it's perfectly ok for me to write a book about say, how to murder a little girl and keep her alive for a month to prolong the torture, and put this book on prominent display, with graphic images on the cover in all public places where books are sold? Let's go a step further: how about putting a display of these books right next to the children's books in your local Barnes & Noble? Just focus on parenting - it's ok to do whatever we want, right?
You don't need to place it next to children's books. A child in a book store usually has free reign to visit any section they desire (usually with exception of the porn, if such a section exists in the store). Such books depicting graphic descriptions of child murder/torture exist in one form or another. I have some novels that are so graphic, even I don't have the stomach to read through some of them. Some I can't get started knowing the topic gives me the creeps. A few I even gave away simply because I knew I would never finish them.
If you want to write a book on how to murder a little girl and keeping her alive to prolong her torture, then go right ahead.
It's a right I'm willing to protect. Do I agree with the topic matter. No, not really.
Because I'm so willing to protect the right to write/publish even the questionable topics, I make it a point to have read every single book my GF's daughter gets her hands on.
I don't expect every parent to try and read every book. That's where the power of the internet comes in. Other parents have most certainly read the book and there are reviews. Usually there's enough information to make a reliable judgement about the appropriateness of a book. The same holds true for almost anything, you can find lyrics to any song, the plot to any movie, and the review for any games. Parents just have to look for it.
I say we take a two prong approach: draw a line, and make people responsible for what is allowed in public. If you have to show id to get into a certain arcade with this stuff, then I don't have a problem with it. I personally think its sick, but that's me, and guess what? I won't play it, or support it in any way. On the other side, yes, absolutely, parenting is a must. Too many people watch their kids grow up, instead of being a part of the process. Who is doing the real parenting today? TV, and the other kids at school - bad idea.
That's doable. We do it already for most porn and it's supposed to be done for movies and video games. But if an underage kid is really wanting to read/play/watch something they shouldn't, they can find a way. That's where careful parenting comes in.
Don't get me wrong. It's too hard to parent everything for a child. Parent's need a little help and that's where things like the movie ratings system comes in. Like you alluded to, it becomes a serious problem when parents don't do any parenting at all and expect someone else, like TV, to do it for them. I just don't think destroying those violent things, especially those with a history, should be a part of that.
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