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Photon, the original Laser Tag
« on: March 15, 2007, 04:52:55 pm »
Anybody remember Photon? I do. I used to have a set as wee little kid. They were great fun.

Yesterday, I went to some random dude's house to check out a cab (Star Wars) he listed in the classifieds. So, I was playing it/checking it out when I mentioned to him that the last time I played an actual Star Wars cab was about 10 years ago at the local Laser Storm (Tag), right before it closed down. So the guy gets this funny smirk on his face and says, "You know what came before Laser Tag, don't you?" I said no. He said "It was called Photon." I told him that I did remember Photon, but I didn't know that it was the original. Then he tells me that he was one of the creators of Photon. I didn't really believe the guy, but to be nice I mentioned that I had a set of the home Photon stuff when I was young. That got him as giddy as a school girl.

He started digging in some closet and he busted out a bunch of old magazines from the early 80's that had articles about "The new craze that was Photon." Seeing this guys picture with his partner (business, not the other thing) in People Magazine and Sports Illustrated made me a believer. He went on to tell me about how he personally installed and set-up the Photon arenas in Japan, Ireland, Australia, and many other places all over the world. He said he still has a set (the real deal, not the home kind) and some of the patent papers up in his attic.

I just thought that it was really cool to meet one of the creators of my favorite toy as a kid (besides the NES, of course  :) )





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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2007, 04:55:48 pm »

That's cool.  It has always amused me that Laser Tag games require a helmet.  What, if they run out of ammo, are they going to pistol whip you?

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 05:14:28 pm »
I remember Photon.  That's awesome that you met one of the creators. 

Also, the helmet should have been standard equipment for Lazer games, since it was the only sensor that it was virtually impossible to cheat and block with your hand or a wall, given that it was right at the top of your head.  The stupid part, as far as Lazer Tag was concerned, was that the reset switch was too readily accessible and there was no way to tell how many times your opponents reset the damn thing.  I actually had a generic set of Lazer weaponry and the sensors would beep like an alarm clock every time you were hit and they would also beep anytime the sensor got turned on, easily giving away the cheaters in the house.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2007, 05:14:35 pm »
Great story!  I fondly remember the Photon near my house growing up.  It was right accross the street from the Malibu Grand Prix.  ;D

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2007, 05:52:57 pm »
We played Survivor Shot, which was a better version of LAser Tag/ Photon. We ended up covering up the lights on the units and muffling the sound so we could play without those 2 items giving away your position to easily.

It had a head band that would pummel you in the temple with a piece of plastic if you got hit. I miss playing that game.

BTW... I think I still have the Laser Tag RPG manual....Somewhere.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2007, 01:19:52 am »
That's a sweet story......I never had photon/lazer tag because my parents wouldnt' buy it for me.... :hissy:

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2007, 09:05:47 am »

Why shouldn't you be able to block the sensor with a wall?  There's a wall in the way!

I had a friend with one of the cheap Laser Tag sets as a kid.  We played in the woods, pretty much because everything was either the road or the woods, and it didn't work very well.  Too many branches/trees to get a clear line of sight for the weak signal.  Too early for the technology.

Slightly off but I remember the Xmas I got a Gotcha gun... man were those things cheapass.  Third shot at my little brother and the internal spring shot out and it never worked again.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2007, 11:33:59 am »
Slightly off but I remember the Xmas I got a Gotcha gun... man were those things cheapass.  Third shot at my little brother and the internal spring shot out and it never worked again.

Weren't those called Splatmasters? I think so, but I can't really remember.


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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2007, 11:38:53 am »

No, definitely Gotcha.  There was even a (really terrible) Gotcha NES game for the Zapper.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2007, 11:48:49 am »
and an equally bad movie (depending on your tastes)

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2007, 11:52:48 am »

Holy crap I didn't know about that!  I must see this.  Any 80s movie with Anthony Edwards is cool in my book.  That's a lotta hair on that guy.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2007, 11:53:22 am »

Why shouldn't you be able to block the sensor with a wall?  There's a wall in the way!

I had a friend with one of the cheap Laser Tag sets as a kid.  We played in the woods, pretty much because everything was either the road or the woods, and it didn't work very well.  Too many branches/trees to get a clear line of sight for the weak signal.  Too early for the technology.

Slightly off but I remember the Xmas I got a Gotcha gun... man were those things cheapass.  Third shot at my little brother and the internal spring shot out and it never worked again.

Because the helmet sensor was open to shots on all sides, if I remember correctly.  I'm absolutely certain that you could hit it easily from the front or the sides.  I guess you could hide in a box, but it was too easy to hide the vest/chest sensor just by standing against a wall and firing your own gun.  It gets old really fast when neither of you can hit each other.  I guess it got old pretty fast anyway.

I also had several Gotcha guns with their stupid ammo discs and pathetic plastic snotty bullets that only shot 10 feet. 

I believe Splatmaster was a brand name or something.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2007, 11:55:52 am »

The worst part about the Gotcha guns was that they were like a freakin dollar a shot... those discs were expensive and IIRC not refillable.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2007, 03:03:41 pm »
Man, I must have watched Gotcha! the movie like 50,000 times on HBO in 1986, when our thumbs were too sore from trying to beat Kung Fu Master.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2007, 07:22:57 pm »
I remember this stuff, too. Didn't have either of 'em.  Did have a Gotcha gun - it was cheap - commercial magic made it look cool - it was for the movie came out after it was a hit. I was already in high school, so definitely a big draw of the movie was the older woman gig. Edwards' hair: yeah, look at him now.
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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2007, 02:57:09 pm »
Now that will fit in your basement.  :cheers:

Buy it.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2007, 02:59:26 pm »

I'll be the sole member of the Build Your Own Laser Tag Arena forum.

I'll probably still have 15,000 posts.

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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2007, 07:30:15 pm »
I think i know some lazer taggers in the northeast and im sure if you got it and made a business of it they would go.  Hell fulfill my dream and make an arcade/lazer arena.  Id just fix the guns so they look more authentic (just dont go outside and play) which is easier then if i wanted to do that to mine (stupid domes).

No why does the helmet have a visor?  To protect you from muzzle flash?

The best system currently out is the milestag one (fitting for the diy forum) with battlefield a close second.  If you are going to play aim off anything painted white since the shots get deflected around corners.
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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2007, 10:34:55 pm »
I used to play Photon when I lived in Texas (San Antonio). It was like a mile from my high school. It was freakin expensive (like 3 bucks a game). But you could get a 3 game pass for 8 or some other ridiculous fee. But the place was awesome. Not like the modern laser tag set ups ( a room with ply wood walls spray painted with black light paint.
Photon was as much about the environmental experiance as it was about the game. LT had nothing on it. Was deep gray carpeted walls, Monster sound system, fog, search lights (that actually moved and made the search lights look wicked). It was green vs. red, not this everyone vs. everyone crap we are getting stuck with now. You would go into this brushed aluminum air lock type door. Then you were in an a very environmental team room where we got out gear on. I see comments about the the dorky lookin helmet... But it was totally necessary in the arena game. If you pulled the trigger half way you could line up on your target. If your target was lined up you heard a beep. It also turned on a little LED on the gun. If you got hit you,  your gun and chest pack would vibrate and you would hear an explosion sound in your helmet. The gun would shut off for x amount of seconds. You lost x amount of points. Eventually the power up sound would happen. If you hit someone on the other team, it would explode but in a more positive uplifting way. The kind of explosion that let you know you just totally vaporized your opponent. If you shot one of your own team members, you lost a lot of points. That was bad.
But the layout was the real kick. There were multiple levels. Not the upstairs, downstairs thing like todays lasertag. It had walls that were at angles. crawl spaces, blacked out maze areas, wiggly bridge things (kinda like on kids playsets). This was usually accompanied by some deep thumpin' newage music (what today would be called ambient) But it was like Jean-Michal Jarre.
There was also an observation deck so non players could watch. But the kicker was that for a buck you could buy a "clink" (big gold token) you could use to play your own private version of target practice up there.  About 2 times per game a red alert would happen and these banks of spot lights would come on and sweep the main battlefield area. This loud female monotone voice would be blaring at you something like emergency emergency... At these points in the game, the folks on the observation deck could actually effect the game and make you loose points, and for that mater the use of your gun. So, in a sense, it was a random invasion from another group. But after like 20 seconds, it would go back to normal. Yuo kinda wanted to shot the fraks up there for spite, but it did no good.

On the outside they had tv monitors all over the place to watch how the game was going. It was only scores, but it was live.

They also had a game room, next to the liquid and solids station (snack bar). The only thing I remember is that is had excitabike.

Modern day LT games are kinda wimpy. You can cover up the sensors on your gun so you do not get hit. This was not possible with Photon as your helmet was a target. Your chest plate and back plate and gun were targets. Much more combat like.

My hunch is all the extras that they put into the game probably were much more expensive to buy and maintain. The other thing I remember was that I think that the Photon system was based on radio frequencies, not infered beams with little laser sighting pieces. When you aligned your gun on someone and got a green light, you knew to fire. It made sniping fun because you could not see where it was coming from.
Now on the flip side, in LT, I do like the fact that you can fire off a laser and see a result. Very Hollywood.
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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2007, 07:57:59 pm »
When i played tag at my graduation party it was as you described, the bad version i mean.  Our guns had the dome and the battery pack was on a strap that in one game fell apart and i had to try and fumble with it in the dark.  the helmet looks way better then what i use

the guns i own have the domes but you can move them to a helmet as others have done for fairness but it isnt a problem with my friends.  one of them shoots a foam rocket that sends tags everywhere but you have to retreive it and pump it up to fire it again.  the sucker has a 40 ft range but over time it loses distance since repeated reloading causes the foam to widen and reduce the pressure.

photon sounds awesome though but im sure there are few arenas left and none near me.  i like the spectators interacting and the crawl spaces.  the price to play though is darn good for the amount of time to play.  after playing both paintball and lazer tag i would have to say id prefer lazer tag.  you said you paid 3 dollars for a game when a game of paintball lasts maybe 10 in an arena plus the cost of paint.  lazer tag can last for 40 minutes and you only need batteries.

depending on the brand the guns will suck.  the reason its played indoors is because its cool and because sunlight reduces the range.  fog just makes it better.  some of the lower end stuff has the lock on and hit conf plus a warning when an enemy is nearby.

back when i played (last summer) ebay had quite a bit of the photon, wow, and quazer equip for sale.  if anyone does have wow gear you can use the ltto drones with them just either make sure yours is a newer model or if it isnt apply the self hit fix since the earlier models would hurt themselves.
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Re: Photon, the original Laser Tag
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2007, 09:36:37 pm »
I totally remember Photon!! That was bad-ass fun for us!  Expensive for sure. 
I remember the trick was to lean back really far so the beams would ricochet of your chest plate instead of hitting the sensors. 

Didn't Tom Hanks play with one in the movie Big?

Man!  Thanks for the memories horseboy.  Kudos to the creators, even if it didn't last.

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