T-moulding Uk

[theendisnye]

Pulling my thoughts together to start building a cabinet and wondered what size of T-moulding (imperial) went best with the UK's metric MDF (18mm. 15mm or 12mm). Steve

[Fozzy The Bear]

Pulling my thoughts together to start building a cabinet and wondered what size of T-moulding (imperial) went best with the UK's metric MDF (18mm. 15mm or 12mm). Steve

18mm = 3/4"
15mm = 5/8"
12mm = 1/2"

I don't work in metric.... it's crap!!
Just for your further information Metric is not the UK's... It's some rubish system created by the French. That they attempted to force us to use. My answer to that! go stick it in the same place as your "horse meat" and "snails".

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Loki]

(3/4) inch = 1.90500 centimeters

I find it rather annoying to work with inches to be honest.. it's just what you are used to.

[Level42]

Fozzy, Metric is the word's standard. Get used to it.


Imperial is crap !

None of my tools fit on those idiotic imperial sized bolts !!!! 

Arcadefever was nice enough to send me a tape measure in inches and feet, just because I went nuts of having my Mac recalculate all those values again and again. So yes I also work with Inches. What the ---fudgesicle--- do I care ? As long as I get my stuff in the correct size.

I agree with Loki, it's just what you're used to . So Fozzy, are you used to liters when getting gas instead of Gallons and degrees celcius instead of Farenheit.... ?

You get used to it, it just takes some time...just like we had to get used to the Euro (although I have to admit.....)

Sorry for hi-jacking this thread.....Fozzy's indications are correct (at least, close enought for every day's practice).

[shorthair]

I agree with Loki, it's just what you're used to . So Fozzy, are you used to liters when getting gas instead of Gallons and degrees celcius instead of Farenheit.... ?

Every modern monetary system is metric.  Even further, I think it'd be keen to only use the Kelvin system for temperature.

[Fozzy The Bear]

Fozzy, Metric is the word's standard. Get used to it.

Actually NO! It isn't the worlds standard..... It's a crappy European standard. 

The USA Uses Imperial Feet and Inches.... Most of the UK with half a brain uses Imperial Feet and Inches... India uses Imperial Feet and Inches,  and mostly so does China by the way, along of course with Russia. Also along with numerous other countries.  So given that that covers most of the worlds population, you can't describe metric as a WORLD standard.

As for Euros  HA! HA HA!!!  Don't make me laugh.... you're welcome to those as well. How are your Euros doing on the world market at the moment???  No good eh?? LOL ROFLMAO 

And what do you mean, "Fozzy's indications are correct (at least, close enought for every day's practice)" !?? My indications were EXACT, not just close enough...  He asked what size T-molding to use for specific metric timber thicknesses. As T-Molding ONLY comes in imperial sizes the answer I gave him was EXACT.  For 18mm MDF you use 3/4" T-molding.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

 

[blueznl]

Sorry, but China is metric. And so is Russia.

You may want to have a peek at this: http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm

[Fozzy The Bear]

Sorry, but China is metric. And so is Russia.

You may want to have a peek at this: http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm

Sorry to inform you more accurately than that site.... But I'm afraid a lot of the information in there is plain wrong.......

China actually use the imperial measurement system as well as their original weights and measures system. That accounts for over 70% of their weights and measures. They do use metric when they are exporting to Japan and Western Europe. Internally in general they don't.

Russia, that's an interesting one...... they use metric about 50% of the time but only when what they are doing is impacted on by the need to use foreign components. The figures on that site are just plain wrong.

The site you pointed at has very very distorted figures, that are mostly based on who has legislated that a country should use a particular system. That doesn't mean that the people of that country actually use it.

If you believe that site, then I wouldn't use Imperial measurements and neither would anybody I work with.  It simply isn't the case that the UK uses Metric as a measurement system. Except when we have to! which should tell you something about how popular it is, given that we were supposed (according to legislation) to have been using it for the last 37 years!

On top of that... that site is published by the US Metric Association... a bunch of cretinous lunatic lobbyists who are trying to get the whole of the USA to use metric measurements..... SO Which way do you think their figures will be overly biased?? 

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Grasshopper]

I did mechanical engineering at school and if we'd had to use imperial instead of metric, it would have massively complicated matters because of all the conversions you have to keep doing between the imperial system's many arbitrary and illogical bases like 8, 12 and 14. You don't have to worry about any of that crap with metric because everything is based on powers of 10.

It really makes little difference what measuring system you choose to use for everyday things. For example I still think in terms of miles per hour, pints of beer etc. But for science and engineering calculations, the imperial system is an archaic joke.

That being said, I do get very irritated over the way that the EU attempts to force metric on everyone. Prosecuting people who insist on using the imperial system (even if they are misguided) is bloody ridiculous, draconian, and a waste of police resources in my opinion.

[Fozzy The Bear]

I did mechanical engineering at school and if we'd had to use imperial instead of metric, it would have massively complicated matters because of all the conversions you have to keep doing between the imperial system's many arbitrary and illogical bases like 8, 12 and 14. You don't have to worry about any of that crap with metric because everything is based on powers of 10.

It really makes little difference what measuring system you choose to use for everyday things. For example I still think in terms of miles per hour, pints of beer etc. But for science and engineering calculations, the imperial system is an archaic joke.

That being said, I do get very irritated over the way that the EU attempts to force metric on everyone. Prosecuting people who insist on using the imperial system (even if they are misguided) is bloody ridiculous, draconian, and a waste of police resources in my opinion.

Your statements above are based on total and complete missunderstanding of the Imperial system.

In engineering we measure in 1000ths of an inch.....  0.001 of an inch. you don't have to do any conversions between bases whatsoever. It's already a decimal system. BASE 10

You are confusing Metric and Decimal..... Imperial is ALSO a decimal system. BASE 10

1/16th of an inch = 0.0625"
1/8th of an Inch = 0.125"
1/4 of an Inch = 0.25"

In science and high level engineering, we measure in Microns... Microns are an IMPERIAL measurement not a Metric one... But they're still Decimal. BASE 10

As for using Base 8, 12, and 14...... Not sure where you got the 14 one from. SINCE WHEN! the only thing that used that was the monitary system, and we certainly don't use that any more.

Imperial has some major advantages over Metric... One of them is that it has the choice built in to it, not to be a Base 10 system... Metric does not. In fact so much so, that I can give you some mathematical puzzles that CAN'T be answered in Metric, but can easily be answered in Imperial.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[shorthair]

1/16th of an inch = 0.0625"
1/8th of an Inch = 0.125"
1/4 of an Inch = 0.25"

Well, one could say 'quarter (etc) of a centimetre'.  But that's really an abstraction within sub-units. Conversion I assume to mean between different types of sub-units;  whereas imperial gets cumbersome, metric is simply a matter of order of magnitude.  What kind of puzzles?

[am_monkee]

i wonder if theendisnye ever got that t-molding or drowned in all this metric v. imperial stuff...

if anyone wants to waste more time thinking about this, here's a study by uc berkeley: http://bearcenter.berkeley.edu/publications/IMSReportOct23.pdf

now us over here in the usa have an excuse as to why we performed poorly!

[NiteWalker]

I prefer the imperial system with either fractions up to 1/64" or the decimals any thing smaller than that. 99% of my woodworking is done with imperial fractions. Smaller than 1/64" doesn't make for much anyway. The decimals are mostly used during drafting with CAD software.

Not bashing metric, but I just prefer imperial. The beauty of both systems is that you can use whatever you choose. One is not better than the other. FWIW I use metric when those measurements are required (working with sanwa parts).

[theendisnye]

Well I did order the T-molding, thanks for the help. I didn't really expect that I was cause quite soooo much discussion. Steve

[NiteWalker]

Indeed. The metric vs imperial discussions are pointless at best. There's no law against using either. Both have their applications. Neither is better than the other. It's all completely preference.

Glad you got what you needed. Where can we see the project? What color did you go for?

[theendisnye]

I went for black and I am currently in the process of planning a cocktail cabinet. As soon as I start I will be taking pictures. Steve

[danny_galaga]

the only good thing about imperial measurements is:

for the ladies= 6"

for the guys= 1/4 mile

(",)

interestingly, it was the USA that first offically used a metric system of any kind when it introduced dollars and cents...

and i find this quite funny:

1889
    As a result of the Treaty of the Metre, the U.S. received a prototype meter and kilogram to be used as measurement standards.
1893
    These metric prototypes were declared "fundamental standards of length and mass" in the Mendenhall Order . Since that date, the yard, pound, etc. have been officially defined in terms of the metric system.

[Grasshopper]

As for using Base 8, 12, and 14...... Not sure where you got the 14 one from. SINCE WHEN! the only thing that used that was the monitary system, and we certainly don't use that any more.

I'm talking about weight. There are 14 pounds per stone.

There's a bit more to a measuring system than just distances....

[Level42]

Pfffff, I feared this would be happening.....

Is English a better language than Dutch ?

Is brown a better color than blue ?

It's just all what you are used to. I also use the "system" that comes in as the most handy for the job (but only since I started this hobby, I have to admit, hence the " tape measure).

Actualy, there are laws that rule out the use of certain measuring systems. Let's take TV's. TVs diagonals have always been indicated in centimeters here. However, when computer monitors arrived, the diagonals were indicated in inches, even here. In Germany, there is a law that it should be indicated in metric in adverts, shops etc. Luckely, we're a little bit more relaxed (in some ways) here in Holland, and I see about everything used, " and cm.

But when you ask me, how big is a 19" screen, or how big is a 25" screen, I have a FEELING of about how big it is. I had to calculate back to know what second hand TV to get to use as a 19" monitor for my Galaxian !!! (And I even messed up with it, getting a 55 cm first, while it should be 51 cm. !!!)

The only thing I would say is better about metric is that everything is 10 based. We have 10 fingers. That's why 10 bases systems are so logical to us. 10 cm = 1 decimeter, 100 cm = 1 meter, 1000 meter = 1 kilometer.......now try that with inch, feet, miles.

But I still know that a 12" is a nice piece of vinyl for my pick-up, a 3.5" is a hard disk drive (or floppy) and that the singer of Vanity 6 needed 7" or more.....  (Which must have been the first conversion I did from inches to cm..........to see if I qualified   

[Fozzy The Bear]

I'm talking about weight. There are 14 pounds per stone.

There's a bit more to a measuring system than just distances....

You most certainly were not!!!..... You were complaining that it complicated engineering because measurements were not in Base10 in Imperial.

So when I show you that they ARE in base10 in imperial, you come up with another excuse.  Go Figure!! 

As for weight measurements?? I don't see how it complicates anything. You complain that you'd have to do conversions all the time.... WHY??? what do you need to convert??? You can't count in Ounces, Pounds, and Tons ??  It's not Rocket Science you know.....

Ermmmm well actually it can be Rocket Science. Jet and Rocket Thrust (worldwide) is measured in Pounds not in Kilograms! On the other side of the coin, car engines are usually measured in Cubic Centimetres or in Litres. Except of course in parts of the USA where they also use Cubic Inches for that.

To be honest non of this really matters a damn..... I really don't care what system anybody uses or choses to use..... Use whatever system you want and whatever system makes you comfortable. But for anyone to try and dictate what measurement system anybody should use the way the EU does is an absolute outrage.   

In relation to arcade cabs (trying to get this back on topic) 99% of the classics are built in Imperial and that's when it starts to get complicated, when somebody tries to convert it to Metric and ends up with stupid numbers of mm.  It's easier to build or repair something that was designed in imperial by using imperial to measure it.

At the end of the day, all I'm saying is, that for me Imperial is a far better system. If you disagree then OK use Metric if you want to.  Personally I consider it a breach of my Human Rights and Civil Liberties to have the EU try and dictate that to me.  Which is one major reason why we still don't and won't have those crappy Euros as currency.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Grasshopper]

I'm talking about weight. There are 14 pounds per stone.

There's a bit more to a measuring system than just distances....

You most certainly were not!!!..... You were complaining that it complicated engineering because measurements were not in Base10 in Imperial.

So when I show you that they ARE in base10 in imperial, you come up with another excuse.  Go Figure!! 

Another excuse? WTF! Are you seriously suggesting that engineering calculations are only confined to measurements of distance.

[am_monkee]

I'm talking about weight. There are 14 pounds per stone.

There's a bit more to a measuring system than just distances....

You most certainly were not!!!..... You were complaining that it complicated engineering because measurements were not in Base10 in Imperial.

So when I show you that they ARE in base10 in imperial, you come up with another excuse.  Go Figure!! 

As for weight measurements?? I don't see how it complicates anything. You complain that you'd have to do conversions all the time.... WHY??? what do you need to convert??? You can't count in Ounces, Pounds, and Tons ??  It's not Rocket Science you know.....

Ermmmm well actually it can be Rocket Science. Jet and Rocket Thrust (worldwide) is measured in Pounds not in Kilograms! On the other side of the coin, car engines are usually measured in Cubic Centimetres or in Litres. Except of course in parts of the USA where they also use Cubic Inches for that.

To be honest non of this really matters a damn..... I really don't care what system anybody uses or choses to use..... Use whatever system you want and whatever system makes you comfortable. But for anyone to try and dictate what measurement system anybody should use the way the EU does is an absolute outrage.   

In relation to arcade cabs (trying to get this back on topic) 99% of the classics are built in Imperial and that's when it starts to get complicated, when somebody tries to convert it to Metric and ends up with stupid numbers of mm.  It's easier to build or repair something that was designed in imperial by using imperial to measure it.

At the end of the day, all I'm saying is, that for me Imperial is a far better system. If you disagree then OK use Metric if you want to.  Personally I consider it a breach of my Human Rights and Civil Liberties to have the EU try and dictate that to me.  Which is one major reason why we still don't and won't have those crappy Euros as currency.
Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

no, the reason you don't use euros is b/c they are a worthless joke compared to your pound. the uk would not be that stupid to let go of their currency--which is doing better (and has been for a while) than even the dollar.

but, like you said, none of this really matters

[NiteWalker]

I can't believe this thread is still going...

[blueznl]

But I still know that a 12" is a nice piece of vinyl for my pick-up, a 3.5" is a hard disk drive (or floppy) and that the singer of Vanity 6 needed 7" or more.....  (Which must have been the first conversion I did from inches to cm..........to see if I qualified