Trackball button and trigger joy wiring

[acevedor2]

A couple of quick wiring questions:

1.  I have the 3" Happ illuminated trackball.  The trackball has connections for three mouse buttons.  I am not using independent mouse buttons but rather the player 1 buttons.  How do these buttons get hooked up?  Do I just hook the Happ button wires to the P1 inputs?

2.  I have the Happ trigger joy which has three buttons.  The problem is that they are not labeled.  Anyone have a wiring diagram for them and where they go?  I already searched Happs website and they don't have one.  I was hoping someone had already hooked them up and could give me a hint.

Thanks as always for the help.
Cheers

[QuixoteQuest]

I have my Happs wired to three dedicated arcade buttons that function as mouse buttons. (But I should have just used two of them--I don't use the middle one at all.) I'm not sure why hooking up those leads to the normal P1 arcade buttons would work. Those aren't mouse buttons--they are mapped keyboard buttons, yes? If you hook the trackball's mouse button leads up to those how do you get your mouse buttons presses to recognize when you are using them in Windows? It'd be like pointing your mouse at something and pressing "K" or "shift" over and over again wondering why your mouse would not be doing anything.

Maybe there's just something I don't get though 

[Knievel]

If you want your Player 1 buttons to double as mouse buttons just wire them to the button harness coming off your trackball, not your keyboard emulator.

Then you'll need to assign those buttons as your Player 1 buttons by going into your TAB menu in Mame.

[acevedor2]

Thanks K.  I am thinking what I might do is just not worry about the butons. After all, I will have a wireless keyboard and mosue anyway so it might not be worth the effort.  Thanks again, and it looks like our good weather is gone again for a while.  40's to 50 for a high tomorrow.

[acevedor2]

One more for you - I am wiring the trigger joy and this may be a dumb question, but does up get wired to up and down to down?  What I mean is that it is a flight stick as well and I know that up generally means down and vice versa.  I am thinking I wire up to up and down to down and then change it in the settings for the particular game if I need it different.  Thoughts?

[QuixoteQuest]

A flight stick for a simulator, or even for an old vector game like Star Wars, is nice to have it function like they should: up turns down the nose of your "flight craft" and down pulls it up. But a top fire joy should function in normal joy directions if you use it for games that use top fire sticks; using a flight stick to be a more comfortable and functional "top fire" to play those same games it works best to set the flight stick directions to behave exactly the same. It's easy to get your flight stick to do both depending on the game using the mame config menus. Same for a top fire except that top fires don't work well for games that call for an analog flight stick.