Author Topic: Yo, yo, yo what yoke this be? (Read 5266 times)

Texasmame · « **on:** February 10, 2007, 03:34:44 pm »

I'm guessing Firefox, which is the exact same as a SW yoke but with a different sticker.

Anyhow, are the four triggers independantly wired? What I mean, is can each be assigned a different key in MAME or are they just all wired together? I ask because I'm hoping this can also be used for Spy Hunter and those type driving games as well. . .

TIA!

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2007, 03:46:45 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 03:34:44 pm

I'm guessing Firefox, which is the exact same as a SW yoke but with a different sticker.

Yes it is! Exactly the same...... I think the triggers are wired in pairs though.

It would be easy enough to rewire that.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Texasmame · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2007, 03:54:10 pm »

Outstanding. True, provided they all have thier own switches, the rewire should be no sweat.

ArcadeMaze · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2007, 04:10:34 pm »

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:07:46 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 03:54:10 pm

Outstanding. True, provided they all have thier own switches, the rewire should be no sweat.

The other thing you'll need to do if you're connecting it to a PC is to change the POT's arcade ones tend to be 5K and PC Joystick POT's are 100K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Texasmame · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:11:37 pm »

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 07:07:46 pm

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 03:54:10 pm
Outstanding. True, provided they all have thier own switches, the rewire should be no sweat.

The other thing you'll need to do if you're connecting it to a PC is to change the POT's arcade ones tend to be 5K and PC Joystick POT's are 100K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Huh. I thought people went straight mouse-hack to use Star Wars yokes in MAME?

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:22:38 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:11:37 pm

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 07:07:46 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 03:54:10 pm
Outstanding. True, provided they all have thier own switches, the rewire should be no sweat.

The other thing you'll need to do if you're connecting it to a PC is to change the POT's arcade ones tend to be 5K and PC Joystick POT's are 100K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Huh. I thought people went straight mouse-hack to use Star Wars yokes in MAME?

Errrmmmm Nope... They're not an optical control. They have Potentiometers on them. The best way to plug these in is via your Game Port.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Texasmame · « **Reply #7 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:30:37 pm »

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 07:22:38 pm

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:11:37 pm
Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 07:07:46 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 03:54:10 pm
Outstanding. True, provided they all have thier own switches, the rewire should be no sweat.

The other thing you'll need to do if you're connecting it to a PC is to change the POT's arcade ones tend to be 5K and PC Joystick POT's are 100K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Huh. I thought people went straight mouse-hack to use Star Wars yokes in MAME?

Errrmmmm Nope... They're not an optical control. They have Potentiometers on them. The best way to plug these in is via your Game Port.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

*sigh*

You can't even interface this with a MINIPac?

This hobby is starting to piss me off. . .

2600 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:36:29 pm »

No you interface it with an A-PAC. If you interface it with the A-PAC, you don't need to change the pots.

If you interface it to the gameport, follow Fozzy's instructions.

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #9 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:36:45 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:30:37 pm

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 07:22:38 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:11:37 pm
Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 07:07:46 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 03:54:10 pm
Outstanding. True, provided they all have thier own switches, the rewire should be no sweat.

The other thing you'll need to do if you're connecting it to a PC is to change the POT's arcade ones tend to be 5K and PC Joystick POT's are 100K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Huh. I thought people went straight mouse-hack to use Star Wars yokes in MAME?

Errrmmmm Nope... They're not an optical control. They have Potentiometers on them. The best way to plug these in is via your Game Port.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

*sigh*

You can't even interface this with a MINIPac?

This hobby is starting to piss me off. . .

Nope! the Minipac doesn't have an analog joystick interface.... Just change the pots out and it'll plug straight into your game port and be recognised by the PC as a normal PC Analog Joystick.... It'll work fine with Mame that way.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Texasmame · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2007, 07:48:35 pm »

Think they have the 5k at Radio Shack. Hope it's a pretty easy swap-out! Guess I gotta get a connector for the gameport now, too.

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #11 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:00:04 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:48:35 pm

Think they have the 5k at Radio Shack. Hope it's a pretty easy swap-out! Guess I gotta get a connector for the gameport now, too.

ROFL nearly right..... you want to buy 100k pots..... the ones on it now will be 5K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Texasmame · « **Reply #12 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:06:28 pm »

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:00:04 pm

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:48:35 pm
Think they have the 5k at Radio Shack. Hope it's a pretty easy swap-out! Guess I gotta get a connector for the gameport now, too.

ROFL nearly right..... you want to buy 100k pots..... the ones on it now will be 5K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

I thought that Sidewinder hack was all the rage because they HAD 5k pots in them?!?

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #13 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:13:54 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 08:06:28 pm

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:00:04 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:48:35 pm
Think they have the 5k at Radio Shack. Hope it's a pretty easy swap-out! Guess I gotta get a connector for the gameport now, too.

ROFL nearly right..... you want to buy 100k pots..... the ones on it now will be 5K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

I thought that Sidewinder hack was all the rage because they HAD 5k pots in them?!?

The sidewinder uses a proprietary interface and has 5K pots connected to its own board, which in turn, outputs a 100K standard signal to the PC. So the sidewinder board effectively acts like an A-Pac. Where you can connect original arcade controls directly to it.

So if you have a sidewinder to hack up, you could just connect your original control directly to it. Otherwise just buy some 100K pots and swap them out on the controller it's a 5 Min Job.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Texasmame · « **Reply #14 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:29:03 pm »

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:13:54 pm

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 08:06:28 pm
Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:00:04 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:48:35 pm
Think they have the 5k at Radio Shack. Hope it's a pretty easy swap-out! Guess I gotta get a connector for the gameport now, too.

ROFL nearly right..... you want to buy 100k pots..... the ones on it now will be 5K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

I thought that Sidewinder hack was all the rage because they HAD 5k pots in them?!?

The sidewinder uses a proprietary interface and has 5K pots connected to its own board, which in turn, outputs a 100K standard signal to the PC. So the sidewinder board effectively acts like an A-Pac. Where you can connect original arcade controls directly to it.

So if you have a sidewinder to hack up, you could just connect your original control directly to it. Otherwise just buy some 100K pots and swap them out on the controller it's a 5 Min Job.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Ahhh, k. Yeah, just looked up 1up's hack. Now I'm gettin' it.

My lone problem with just swapping pots and connecting to the gameport is this - I also have an arcade pedal with pots - I'll need to do the same/similar for that. So, if I'm using the SW yoke for driving games with that arcade pedal AT THE SAME TIME, at least one would have to use 1up's hack since there is only one gameport, right?

In any case, I just reviewed each procedure and the USB/Sidewinder one seems to be the simpler of the two, unless I am missing something, which is entirely possible as evidenced by this thread.

freckleface · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:31:45 pm »

I thought game ports on computers went out years ago.....

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:33:12 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 08:29:03 pm

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:13:54 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 08:06:28 pm
Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:00:04 pm
Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 07:48:35 pm
Think they have the 5k at Radio Shack. Hope it's a pretty easy swap-out! Guess I gotta get a connector for the gameport now, too.

ROFL nearly right..... you want to buy 100k pots..... the ones on it now will be 5K

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

I thought that Sidewinder hack was all the rage because they HAD 5k pots in them?!?

The sidewinder uses a proprietary interface and has 5K pots connected to its own board, which in turn, outputs a 100K standard signal to the PC. So the sidewinder board effectively acts like an A-Pac. Where you can connect original arcade controls directly to it.

So if you have a sidewinder to hack up, you could just connect your original control directly to it. Otherwise just buy some 100K pots and swap them out on the controller it's a 5 Min Job.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Ahhh, k. Yeah, just looked up 1up's hack. Now I'm gettin' it.

My lone problem with just swapping pots and connecting to the gameport is this - I also have an arcade pedal with pots - I'll need to do the same/similar for that. So, if I'm using the SW yoke for driving games with that arcade pedal AT THE SAME TIME, at least one would have to use 1up's hack since there is only one gameport, right?

No..... The standard gameport on a PC is wired to accept TWO Joysticks... So you effectively have 4 ports on the socket, to which you can attach POTs. Two for the joystick, and one for each pedal.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:36:53 pm »

Quote from: freckleface on February 10, 2007, 08:31:45 pm

I thought game ports on computers went out years ago.....

So did 99% of the games we play... who's counting!!!

The fact is that most PC's still ship with a game port and on the ones that don't you'll usually be able to find one on your sound card.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

leapinlew · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2007, 08:51:37 pm »

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:36:53 pm

The fact is that most PC's still ship with a game port

What? What year is this?

Maybe in the UK they do, but the last machines I've ordered not only didn't have a gameport - they didn't have a PS2, parallel or serial ports.

Teebor · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:00:35 pm »

Quote from: leapinlew on February 10, 2007, 08:51:37 pm

Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:36:53 pm
The fact is that most PC's still ship with a game port

What? What year is this?

Maybe in the UK they do, but the last machines I've ordered not only didn't have a gameport - they didn't have a PS2, parallel or serial ports.

Really?? that almost sounds like a Dell pc or possibly a HP

How do you guys recognise the yoke's so easily? or does it just appear easy to the untrained observer? i.e. ME

fa001 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:57:46 pm »

And as far as wiring goes, this is the diagram for a SW yoke.

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2007, 10:07:31 pm »

Quote from: Teebor on February 10, 2007, 09:00:35 pm

Quote from: leapinlew on February 10, 2007, 08:51:37 pm
Quote from: Fozzy The Bear on February 10, 2007, 08:36:53 pm
The fact is that most PC's still ship with a game port

What? What year is this?

Maybe in the UK they do, but the last machines I've ordered not only didn't have a gameport - they didn't have a PS2, parallel or serial ports.

Really?? that almost sounds like a Dell pc or possibly a HP

How do you guys recognise the yoke's so easily? or does it just appear easy to the untrained observer? i.e. ME

Sounds like mini and micro atx boards to me.......

As for recognising arcade parts, I'm senior maintenance engineer for a large arcade down here in Cornwall. So it kind of goes with the territory.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

leapinlew · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2007, 10:10:22 pm »

I would say Dell and HP account for a majority of PC's shipped nowadays. They are removing all the "unnecessary" ports on computers anymore. USB, Network, Monitor and sound jacks is all they are putting on PC's anymore. I haven't seen a computer with a gameport in about 3-4 years.

Yeah, if Fozzy says it's a star wars yoke.... it's a star wars yoke.

freckleface · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2007, 10:44:47 pm »

That was ArcadeMaze; he said it was an Empire. Looking at yokes a little while ago I think that's right. Yeah I haven't seen a game port for longer. One of mine is a five year old Dell and it just has a serial port.

NoOne=NBA= · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2007, 11:19:22 pm »

The other option would be an AKI, if DaveB is still selling them.
That worked great on my yoke, as well as all the other analog stuff I've hooked to it over the years.

Texasmame · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2007, 11:22:50 pm »

Thanx for all the input, guys. Guess I'm going with the DS hack, if nothing else, for the ease of accessing my USB hub rather than fumbling around with the back of the box for the gameport any time that I might wanna swap stuff out, etc.

Texasmame · « **Reply #26 on:** February 26, 2007, 07:15:12 pm »

DS hack was pretty easy and fun to do (if you like that kinda stuff, which, you probably do since you are reading this site at all). Just had to replace the two thumb cherrys and it is good as new!

Think I'll try the joystick hack for my pedal with a pot but I'm not sure. . .

Thanx again for all the input!

Fozzy The Bear · « **Reply #27 on:** February 26, 2007, 07:22:17 pm »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 26, 2007, 07:15:12 pm

Thanx again for all the input!

Hey! no problemo!! glad to hear you got this one sorted! ENJOY!

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

Crowquill · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2007, 07:30:27 am »

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 11:22:50 pm

Thanx for all the input, guys. Guess I'm going with the DS hack, if nothing else, for the ease of accessing my USB hub rather than fumbling around with the back of the box for the gameport any time that I might wanna swap stuff out, etc.

One other option. RadioShack and others sell gameport->USB adapters. About a month ago I saw them at RS clearanced to somewhere around $6. I think this is the method I'm going to use to hack my Atari 2600 paddle controllers. The adapter I have has worked fine for all of the steering wheels and gamepads I've thrown at it. Apparently it comes up as a generic HID joystick since my Mac even works perfectly with it.

Texasmame · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2007, 06:48:36 pm »

Quote from: Crowquill on March 01, 2007, 07:30:27 am

Quote from: Texasmame on February 10, 2007, 11:22:50 pm
Thanx for all the input, guys. Guess I'm going with the DS hack, if nothing else, for the ease of accessing my USB hub rather than fumbling around with the back of the box for the gameport any time that I might wanna swap stuff out, etc.

One other option. RadioShack and others sell gameport->USB adapters. About a month ago I saw them at RS clearanced to somewhere around $6. I think this is the method I'm going to use to hack my Atari 2600 paddle controllers. The adapter I have has worked fine for all of the steering wheels and gamepads I've thrown at it. Apparently it comes up as a generic HID joystick since my Mac even works perfectly with it.

Hmm. . . that sounds quick and probably cheaper than even the gameport hack. I'll go try and find those tomorrow!


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