Modded xbox360 for sale - brand new !

[SNAAKE]

BRAND NEW xbox360 premium with samsung drive(better than hitachi) and latest firmware mod 5.0. plays copies/backups but you just get the console. NO GAMES !
premium system with hard drive,wireless controller,headset,all cables,etc.

$450 shipped anywhere in the US. $430 if you pick up, I am in new york city.
PM or email me customjoystick@yahoo.com

[shardian]

Just curious, but how do you make copies of HD DVD discs??

[SNAAKE]

  no idea...
arent HD dvds much larger than standard ?? almost like blue rayish ?

360 games go on dual layer dvd +r.

[shardian]

no idea...
arent HD dvds much larger than standard ?? almost like blue rayish ?

360 games go on dual layer dvd +r.

Ohh.... I thought the 360 was hd. That makes more sense then.

[ChadTower]

Xbox 360 HD Drive - it's an external addon.

[steveh]

its an optional addon that games will not play off of.  all 360 games will be dvd

[AlanS17]

Can't Microsoft push patches onto your machine that negate the DVD firmware upgrades? And even if they don't do it yet, isn't it theoretically possible? I thought that was suppossed to be one of the downsides to that method.

(Not trying to bust your biz. Just think it's something people should be aware of if it's true.)

[SNAAKE]

they cant "make your system stop working". worse case scenerario you can get banned from xbox live. but to this date you can still play on xbox live no problem. latest samsung drive FW has "firmguard" which locks the firmware and you cant really patch it.

[jWin]

theres always the option to stay OFF of xbox live, simply dont plug in the network cable.  the samsung firmware also is locked as of 4.0 which means microsoft cannot alter, flash or even detect the firmware (supposely)

[AlanS17]

I never meant to imply that they would shut your machine down. I meant to say that I heard they can potentially negate the effects of the firmware upgrade with a patch. And of course they can always cancel your XBox Live access.

[markrvp]

Snaake's offering a good deal if anybody's looking for a modded XBOX 360.  It would cost you $399 plus tax plus shipping the drive to someone and paying them to flash it if you bought a system new and wanted to do this.

[AlanS17]

Oh it's undeniably a good price. Even going to the store and buying one, it'll cost you nearly that much after paying tax.

[tetsu96]

What's teh dashboard version of this?

[MameMaster!]

Email sent Snaaake!!!

[lloydcom]

Man you are brave posting that here, considering the rules of the board and such. 

[saint]

As far as I know this is not an illegal sale - Microsoft may not like Xbox modding, but I have not seen that it is illegal. Pirating games is of course illegal and is not welcome here. Modding or modded hardware is fine. 

I have updated the consoles forum first message to reflect this.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=10849.msg82702#msg82702

[Harry Potter]

Man you are brave posting that here, considering the rules of the board and such. 

[pointdablame]

Well now that Lloyd can't put words in Saint's mouth anymore about Saint's OWN RULES, maybe he'll shut up.

Good luck with the sale Snaaake, this is a nice deal.

[saint]

In Lloyd and anyone else's defense, the rules were conflicting and ambiguous in this area. Lloyd is not theonly one who has raised such a concern.  I appreciate everyone helping to keep BYOAC out of hot water

[lloydcom]

In Lloyd and anyone else's defense, the rules were conflicting and ambiguous in this area. Lloyd is not theonly one who has raised such a concern.  I appreciate everyone helping to keep BYOAC out of hot water

Sorry Saint, I want to make it perfectly clear, that you and your site endorse and condone modding of consoles and selling chipped consoles on your site.

Is this correct?

[whatzcrackn]

In Lloyd and anyone else's defense, the rules were conflicting and ambiguous in this area. Lloyd is not theonly one who has raised such a concern.  I appreciate everyone helping to keep BYOAC out of hot water

Sorry Saint, I want to make it perfectly clear, that you and your site endorse and condone modding of consoles and selling chipped consoles on your site.

Is this correct?

 

[boykster]

Sorry Saint, I want to make it perfectly clear, that you and your site endorse and condone modding of consoles and selling chipped consoles on your site.

Is this correct?

Is it possible for you to just drop it?  Who died and elected you grand chancellor of what is right and wrong when it comes to consoles?  The new policy clearly states that IF it is shown that modding consoles are illegal in the USA, that this discussion would be curtailed.

NO offense lloyd, but were you dropped on your head as a child?

[lloydcom]

Whew!

It took me a total of 15 minutes to find the information I was looking for.  The internet is great, but navigation needs looking into.  I mean search engines and google is great, but it puts a new meaning to going around in circles.

I found the section you guys need reading.  Its a scary section, and needs rethinking, that if you indeed do these types of things, you might want to do it quietly and to yourself.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap12.html

Chapter 12 says it all.  I wish I took the time to research the subject before going in guns firing and all that.  I am not a person who likes to point certain facts like this out, but I am a person who is sick and tired of individuals breaking the law and saying it is ok to do it.

I'll cut it down to these three paragraphs:

§ 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems2
(a) Violations Regarding Circumvention of Technological Measures. - (1)(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

(A) to "circumvent a technological measure" means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and

(B) a technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work


There is more, including the section about changes to the law regarding obsolete systems.  Other words, emulators.

Once you open the plastic box and insert the chip you are breaking the law, unless you got permission first..  Selling an item under this statement.... well I 'll leave that up to you.  You are all intelligent individuals here, and it should take 2 seconds to figure out.  I'll go a bit further and ask you if you got permission from Microsoft to mod your chip.  If so, then you are legal.

I love homebrew, also like the idea, and also the economic mechanics behind it.  It sells the console, but there is a risk attached to it a risk I would not like to be put before a court, before my family, my employer or ISP.

I'm sure you think I'm a real jerk for pointing this out, spoiling your fun, telling you how to run your business or life, well I'm really sorry about that.

Really truly sorry.

But if I can make a small difference to a world going bad, is it such a crime?

Let's all of us make a new year resolution:  Say no to modding consoles.   


*Edit:* There is a provision to the law that says the limitations of the law diminishes after 5 years of the date of the offense.  So if you did mod your xbox in Dec 2001, you won't go to jail for 10 years or pay a $500,000.00 fine.  Hope you keep your receipts.     

[whatzcrackn]

 

Dude you are crapping in Snaakes cereal, man. 

If it was an issue with the board, it would have been sent to 'Post Hell'  being that it is still here and you keep crying 
about it, I would just start your own post. 

Let Snaake make his money and keep the  on your dinner table.

[Jess--]

as I see it adding a modchip to a console is no different to modifying anything else,

if I take a video recorder sold in this country (UK Pal standard) and modify the circuit (with a couple of chips) to enable me to play an american NTSC video.

now think about it, the hardware to play ntsc video's on a pal TV was not readily available (until about 2 years ago), as long as the video I am watching is not a pirate copy I am doing nothing illegal, I am not attempting to bypass copyright, In buying the original cassette I have supported the artists / studios.

the only people that may not be happy about what I have done is the manufacturer of my video recorder as they never intended it to be able to play these tapes (so there goes my warranty)

modchips have uses other than bypassing copyright protection systems, but I have used them in the past to enable a friends ps2 to play backup disks (note the word backup) he owned all of the original disks but his son had a habit of losing his temper and smashing disks, once I fitted his chip he kept all of his originals well out of the way of his son and only gave his son the copies. when the copy became damaged it was replaced with a fresh copy from his original (rather than having to go and buy the game that he already owned again).

regardless of what some people think This is NOT the place to be discussing this, Saint (the owner of this site) has already said that he has no problems with the items for sale and as far as I am concerned that is the final word on this matter in this thread.
I would suggest that people wanting to discuss this further take it to the consoles forum rather than here.

[JackTucky]

lloyddull continues to post his dorkness even though Saint said it's OK for Snaake to sell here.  .  I might buy this from Snaake and post an image of me playing nothing but legal games so Lloydcom can sleep with it.

-J

[lloydcom]

Thanks for that.

For the other poster above:

Did you read your post before reading mine and submitting?

The law I was quoting was for everything copyrighted.  The scary thing is, what about copyrights we use for avatars, websites, arcade artwork?

I remember a new article way back when the internet was still being viewed by Mosaic and Windows 3.1, and this topic came up.  I think copyright works will be more enforced as software gets clever.  Software isn't clever yet.  Microsoft is working on authentication, and the DMCA might look at similar steps if it got someone powerful behind it to make the stand.  I'm sure there won't be enough jails or lawyers available to deal with the casework or monies involved.  Maybe they sue you via paypal?

Coming back to my comment above, which I hope it wasn't sarcastic or offensive, if you feel that way - then I apologise. 

You mod a Ntsc video recorder to make it play PAL tapes.  I don't think there is any protection in the VCR to make this a point.  Except snowy screens and sound like the chipmunks.  If you had a Panasonic VCR - you could possibly change the voltage and the electronics to play back in PAL.  I have never heard this done - we just bought a TV to play the tapes on the VCR.  I'm US/UK citizen so this scenario applies to me too  I have collections in both format, especially laserdisc.  Now its moot as my UK VCR plays back my Ntsc tapes just fine.  Would be cheaper to buy the tape in the UK unless it was "I Spit on your Grave" which was banned in the UK until just recently.  Its on UMD now would you believe it?

"Mod chips has uses other than bypassing protection systems" - yes I agree with you, but your idea would not hold up in court, as you would have to buy another disc or ask the manufacturer to replace it via a small charge, because your child smashed it.  To think otherwise would be funny to any copyright lawyer.  Go ask one.

Because I agree with you doesn't make it right.  To mod an xbox takes some planning and equipment, and you cannot play backups with an un-modded xbox? - I wonder why?  Guess you will be extra special with that 2nd purchased disc.

Good idea with the above poster on making this a seperate topic.  Can a moderator put this in EE with the original Xbox 360 post too?  We have to give it reference, now since it is acceptable behaviour according to Saint.

[markrvp]

I would like to make a motion that lloydcom be banned from this website.  Saint tried being nice to him and lloydcom is now taking shots at Saint. 

Lloydcom, some people are intelligent enough to disagree without being disagreeable.  You don't seem to be one of these people.  I won't even try to reason with you because you are an unreasonable person.  You have failed to see anything except what you want to see, and of course have chosen only to find information which supports your limited and misguided view. 

The "old guys" on this site are very welcoming to newcomers and if you actually want to build arcade controls, then many here will help you.  Otherwise, you would be making the first intelligent decision of your BYOAC career by choosing to STFU!

I've made a motion; I need a second.  Someone please second my motion and then everyone post your vote:  BAN or NO BAN for lloydcom.

[Jabba]

Who the eff is Lloyd? Any chance he's related to Floyd? Oregano anyone?

And once I own a piece of hardware, I'll do what I want with it. Melt the motherboard or add a chip. Who the heck is the manufacturer to say what I can and can not do to my hardware. OK, they can void my warranty. Big deal!

SNAAKE, sounds like a great deal. Have no cashola now, but when I do, I'll come a knocking.

Mark, 2nd.

[hypernova]

We have to give it reference, now since it is acceptable behaviour according to Saint.

Why does it sound like you insist on criticizing saint for his decision?

I have a modded PS2.  For one reason, and one reason only.  I wanted to play games from other regions.  In particular, FFX International.  Now if I were to be a law abiding citizen, I would've had to pay ANOTHER couple hundred for a NTSC-J system, PLUS huge shipping, PLUS buy a power adapter just to plug the damn thing in my wall, to play a game.  Could you explain to me the reasoning behind region locks?  One that wasn't total ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- in order to line the pockets of everyone at the top of the corporate ladder?  WHY ARE THERE REGION LOCKS?  Can ANYONE explain this to me?

Who wants to bet that if you called Microsoft customer support, and asked them if you could mod your system, that their answer would be somewhere along the lines of "That's not something we endorse.  However, we cannot stop you, and if you decide to pursue this course, you would void your warranty."  And that would be it.  I would guarantee that there would be no line about involving the police.

Because I agree with you doesn't make it right.

You're right, it doesn't.  But progress can be made through non-compliance.
Also, to retort the second half of that sentence, just because it's the law, doesn't make it right either.

One of  the newest Alabama laws:

Issue of incestuous marriages not deemed illegitimate.

The issue of any incestuous marriage, before the same is annulled, shall not be deemed illegitimate.

So it's not against the law, but for goodness sake, please tell me you agree that it ain't right.

At some point, you have to think for yourself.

[Hoopz]

And let's not forget that not all of the people who post and/or read the forums are in the US and fall under it's laws.  Go look up the word "ethnocentrism" llyod and realize there are others outside of your small, lonely circle of dorkville.

[Grasshopper]

"Mod chips has uses other than bypassing protection systems" - yes I agree with you, but your idea would not hold up in court, ....

Well it did in Australia.

There's no point in asking the opinion of a copyright lawyer. Most of them are hired by large corporations to protect the interests of said corporations. That's how they earn their living so they're hardly impartial.

Even if your extreme interpretation of the DMCA is correct (and I don't believe it is), the fact remains that it's still very bad law. It goes way beyond simply protecting intellectual property rights and attempts to curtail well established ownership rights. The act is definitely open to legal challenge as M$ found out to its cost.

[lloydcom]

I would like to make a motion that lloydcom be banned from this website.  Saint tried being nice to him and lloydcom is now taking shots at Saint. 

Lloydcom, some people are intelligent enough to disagree without being disagreeable.  You don't seem to be one of these people.  I won't even try to reason with you because you are an unreasonable person.  You have failed to see anything except what you want to see, and of course have chosen only to find information which supports your limited and misguided view. 

The "old guys" on this site are very welcoming to newcomers and if you actually want to build arcade controls, then many here will help you.  Otherwise, you would be making the first intelligent decision of your BYOAC career by choosing to STFU!

I've made a motion; I need a second.  Someone please second my motion and then everyone post your vote:  BAN or NO BAN for lloydcom.

Wow that coming from a Wiki contributor?  Well I must be a bad person for making my comments accurate with a creditable source for my argument.  Shame on me for wanting to stop copyright theft, shame on me for protecting IP rights of individuals.  Shame on me.

So if it is a ban for me, then I take it with pride.  They shot Martin Luther King Jr. for his views, why not shoot me too? Coming to think about it they get rid of a lot of people for their views, poliitcal or otherwise.  This thread is becoming political, I'm sure a sanction will come for my comments.

Oh and are we calling xbox mods the same as terrorism?  We are if you are silenced for the right of free speech, and showing your point in legal fact.  If I remember Saint's post that he didn't know that it was illegal to mod a xbox, and I showed him publicly, so to change his rules of the board and protect him against any threat to his site.

If that is the case - then you have no other reason other to ban me.

Shame on me?  Shame on you.

Edit: *Yes I changed the correct title to my reference - apologies for the oversight.  I cannot vouch for those who work in the software business, but I would like Saint and any moderator to prove that my legal fact is wrong. 

And yes I do not live in the US, but the UK has laws that already ban modding, so that point is moot. Austrailia laws will change with the FTA.  I've looked on tons of xbox fourms and their mods don't allow sales of modded xbox 360s or any such talk.  The King comment is a bit extreme,  and my sincere apologies for using it out of context but he was silenced for his views, just like you posters are promoting a ban to silence my views as my comments are not politically correct. 

Besides who like a trouble maker or a person rocking the boat.

Where does this get me? 

Hopefully someone will take responsibility, because if someone gets caught selling something illegal off this site - I would be very sorry to see Saint get into any trouble.  But reading the other poster's views,  on the subject, makes me think you don't care.

[JackTucky]

I remember a new article way back when the internet was still being viewed by Mosaic and Windows 3.1, and this topic came up. 

Wow, you're really kool that you've been on the innernets so long.  I bet you got some p*rn collection that you paid for too.

Stop modding the internet by posting.  It infringes my copyright.

And I second that motion.  Lloyd = stinky.

-J

[Hoopz]

They shot Martin Luther King for his views, why not shoot me too?

DON'T COMPARE WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH WHAT DOCTOR KING DID. 

That is pathetic.  And it was Dr. Martin Luther King JUNIOR.  His father, often referenced for his work also, was known as Martin Luther King Sr.  If you want to butcher a source of pride for ALL Americans, peddle your ---smurf-poop--- somewhere else you ---smurfing--- <<<censored by saint>>>

[JackTucky]

So if it is a ban for me, then I take it with pride.  They shot Martin Luther King for his views, why not shoot me too?

Martin Luther lloyd jr.   

Oh and are we calling xbox mods the same as terrorism?

I think you are.  Go away.

I showed him publicly, so to change his rules of the board and protect him against any threat to his site.

There are hundreds of sites that discuss modding.  Not one corporation has gone after them.  Get a law degree, instead of a boring degree, and start going after them. 

-J

[JackTucky]

I have been to the mountain top!  It's filled with unmodded xboxes.

Stop comparing yourself to heroes.  Your a thorn in the collective shoe of BYOAC.  Sure it's annoying, but it's kind of fun too.

-J

[Jabba]

Anyone know if you can mod a Wii yet?

[CheffoJeffo]

Shame on me?  Shame on you.

I don't think that I'll take any legal advice, particularly as pertains to copyrights, from somebody whose webpage contains the phrase "Cracked or Pre Registered Emulators are for evaluation only".

Pot. Kettle. Black.

ID10T.

I don't have a big problem with lloydcoms' views, but his need to impose them in EVERY SINGLE THREAD RELATED TO MODDING XBOXs/PSPs/DATSUNs/SHIHTZUs is really tiresome (although the ensuing discussions have been somewhat entertaining).

Cheers

[SirPeale]

lloyd.com: welcome to the first one minute of your twenty-four hour ban.

When you can stop trolling, you're welcome to come back.

Because at this point, that's exactly what you're doing.