Author Topic: Opening Turtles Cabinet (Read 4844 times)

TMNTfan · « **on:** October 03, 2006, 06:38:23 pm »

Hello,

I just received a dedicated Konami Turtles cabinet (not Turtles in Time) Everything is working fine, but I wanted to clean the glass on the inside and I just don't see the trick to opening it.

When I open the back I can ofcourse reach the PCB and with a stick (haha) I can reach the clamps that release the control panel, but I'm wondering how I can get the glass panel off?

There must be a system, right? (other than unscrewing everything and getting the monitor out. I just dont wanna risk damaging the cab)

I hope anyone has a solution?

Thanks in advance,

TMNTfan.

P.S. I also have a generic playscene cabinet and there you can unscrew a panel under the control panel, release the clamps, swing the panel back and just take the glass off.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #1 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:19:32 pm »

This is a TMNT cab rather than a Stern Turtles, right ?

I don't have one of the former, but I would imagine that there must be some retaining mechanism, perhaps tied into the CP.

Pics might help.

Cheers.

davieboynj · « **Reply #2 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:22:26 pm »

from the coin door, open the latches you saw (don't do it from the back cover). After lifting the control panel open you'll see a piece of metal at the bottom of the glass that you remove. The glass comes right out.

TMNTfan · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2006, 07:41:41 pm »

Thanks for your quick replies.

This is the Konami Turtles cab

Here is a pic: http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=T&game_id=10050

When I open the coindoor (beneath the control panel, I don't see the latches. There is immediately a ceiling of wood with the tube for the coins coming through it. Also, I don't see any screws, and it won't budge (should I slide it back, push it up?)

earlier, when I opened the latches from the back (with the stick), I even got the control panel off.
davieboynj, I know what you mean by the piece of metal holding the glass, but there are the coin slot and start buttons attached to it + I can't reach the bolts because it's behind the glass and very close to the monitor. (I don't wanna die) ;o)

If you really need pictures, tell me what I should photograph and I will find out how to post them on this board..

Thanks though,

TMNTfan

davieboynj · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:45:17 pm »

OOPS!

Ignore my comments - - They were for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cabinet.

But doesn't that make you TMHTfan?

one question - - when they play the song in the beginning, does it actually say 'hero' or did they leave it 'ninja'?

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2006, 08:46:31 pm »

Quote from: davieboynj on October 03, 2006, 08:45:17 pm

But doesn't that make you TMHTfan?

Cheers

TMNTfan · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2006, 09:06:12 pm »

I see what you mean..

They just had to change it for legal reasons in Europe (or so I read) They still kept the song with "ninja" turtles in it
I had no idea that it would make that much of a difference cabinet-wise (They're both Konami , both exactly the same game and of the same year!)

Oh and I used to watch Teenage Mutant NINJA Turtles, so I guess that does make me a ninja fan hehe..

TMNTfan or TMHTfan (I will adhere to both

)

davieboynj · « **Reply #7 on:** October 04, 2006, 05:23:36 pm »

I had to look it up:

-=-=- wikipedia -=-=-

Hero Turtles

The altered UK opening sequence.Upon TMNT's first arrival in the United Kingdom, the name was changed to "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" (or TMHT, for short), since local censorship policies deemed the word ninja to have excessively violent connotations for a children's program.[2] Consequently, everything related to the Turtles had to be renamed before being released in the UK. The lyrics were also changed, such as changing "Splinter taught them to be ninja teens" to "Splinter taught them to be fighting teens."

The policies also had other effects, such as removing Michelangelo's nunchaku (which were at the time banned from appearing in even 18-rated movies) and generally toning down the usage of all the turtles' weapons. After many seasons of never using his nunchaku, they eventually disappeared entirely, replaced by a turtle shell shaped grappling hook called the "Turtle Line".

By the time of the 2003 TV series, these censorship policies had been abolished, and no changes have occurred in the content of the show. The name "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" remained unchanged for the 2003 show. As a result, in the UK, the 1987 program is still called Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles and the 2003 program is called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
________

and i thought it was because pirates hated ninjas...

anyways, you get that beast open yet?

TMNTfan · « **Reply #8 on:** October 04, 2006, 06:17:38 pm »

No, sadly..
I keep staring, but I just don't see it..
I opened up the back again, to look at the "ceiling" I talked about. (the one over the coindoor compartment) If that weren't there I could reach the latches from the coindoor easily, but it's glued on...

But even if I have the Controlboard removed, the metal strip the glass rests on is bolted tightly and has electronics on it.. as you can see on the picture...

I guess if the cabinet failed, which it doesn't now (it plays beautifully) I could really try to unbolt the strip, but I can hardly reach the bolts without touching the monitor at various places.

So, I am not in a hurry (this is just for the future and the glass cleaning) but I sure would like some golden tip. The one that'll make me go: 'Ahaaaaa!!!! Eurekaaaaa!!! Why didn't I see that one?'

TMNTfan.

P.S. at present going: 'Hmmmm..'

RayB · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2006, 07:45:14 pm »

Quote from: TMNTfan on October 04, 2006, 06:17:38 pm

But even if I have the Controlboard removed, the metal strip the glass rests on is bolted tightly and has electronics on it.. as you can see on the picture...

What picture?

TMNTfan · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2006, 07:59:23 pm »

The link I already gave above..

http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=T&game_id=10050

TMNTfan

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2006, 08:06:30 pm »

Can you narrow down"bolted" -- carriage bolts, panel clamps, glue ? That pic gives me no clue as to how it is secured.

Cheers

TMNTfan · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2006, 08:22:57 pm »

ok, english is not my native language but I'll try to explain.

2 metal plates on either sides of the frontplate (That holds the glass) that go deeper in the cab and attach to the sides of the cab. There are, well not really screws, not inbus, but the other "screws" you need the longer tool for and fasten them with the swing motion, one swing at a time. I thought that were bolts..

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2006, 08:31:59 pm »

That explanation works -- I just couldn't see how it was connected, but it seems that it is bolted inside the cabinet. Interesting ... unfortunately, I have no ideas for you.

Maybe grantspain can help ?

Cheers.

TMNTfan · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2006, 08:38:39 pm »

I know,

if there were latches which would make the frontplate swing open, it would make much more sense...

I guess the only way is to try to unscrew them without touching the monitor (too much)

By the way, I also removed the marquee to see if something could be adjusted there to make the glass slide upwards a bit and then downwards in an angle to slide it out, but I saw nothing that worked..

bushido_cedar · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2006, 09:55:00 pm »

just a thought, but did you look at the top of the glass to see if there is something in there? I'm converting the remains of an otl TMNT cabinet, and it looks like the glass slid up to pull the bottom out.. dunno just a thought like I said.

TMNTfan · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2006, 10:09:36 pm »

@ushido_cedar I had also been thinking in that direction, as it doesn't seem plausible to me that you'd have to really take apart everything below just for taking the glass out. It already slides up a little bit. Just not enough.
I already removed the marquee and slid the board with the lightbulb as far up as the wires let me, but that doesn't seem to be in the way of the glass sliding up..

Any idea what could have been the thing that prevented the glass from sliding up with your cabinet?

@ everyone I also have 2 more questions about the pcb, but I don't want to overload you all with questions. Should I just ask them now or wait until this is resolved first?

TMNTfan

bushido_cedar · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2006, 11:20:04 pm »

Looking at the inside of my cabinet, i'm not sure if there was a bracket that held it or not, I cant see any holes like there would have been one.. good luck though!

TMNTfan · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2006, 06:17:43 pm »

Well Guys,

I'm still clueless..

meanwhile, I made some pictures that may tell you something, I made it into a gallery on my webspace, maybe that'll help?
http://www.uhbt.nl/turtles
The pictures are quite big (I did that on purpose for the detail) but you can scroll up, down and sideways..

In the gallery I also pose a couple of other questions with pictures.

-The cab doesn't remember scores, so the battery must be dead, but I don't see a battery or where it should go?

-There also seems to be an extra board with dip switches which really mess es up my credit settings (I get additional lives now instead of more credits per coin. Is there a way to bypass that extra board or does anyone know settings to this board?

Thanks to all people who already tried to help me!

TMNTfan.

SirPeale · « **Reply #19 on:** October 14, 2006, 01:43:45 am »

A clear picture of the glass front would be helpful.

TMNTfan · « **Reply #20 on:** October 14, 2006, 03:36:00 am »

I know,

but without flash it's too dark, with flash the reflection of the flash is too great..

SirPeale · « **Reply #21 on:** October 14, 2006, 08:35:04 am »

Try from slightly off to an angle. Getting a clear picture is pantamout to helping you open this up.

If you can't do it with a flash, bring in additional lighting.

RayB · « **Reply #22 on:** October 14, 2006, 04:04:45 pm »

Download the manual already...

SirPeale · « **Reply #23 on:** October 14, 2006, 05:06:27 pm »

Quote from: RayB on October 14, 2006, 04:04:45 pm

Download the manual already...

It may or may not have disassembly proceedure for the cabinet.

It can't be that hard. There should be a bracket to hold the glass down that is screwed down somehow.

jfh2112 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2006, 01:58:23 am »

Looking at photo #6, it looks like you should be able to unlatch the control panel, then go in from the front where the CP was & unbolt the coin... um... thing.

Two hex bolts on each side, and it should slide out the front.

Complete PITA to do, but I think it might work.

TMNTfan · « **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2006, 04:15:18 am »

Quote from: RayB on October 14, 2006, 04:04:45 pm

Download the manual already...

I have the manual, but it's no help, the only thing explained is the coindoor assembley.

Quote from: jfh2112 on October 15, 2006, 01:58:23 am

Looking at photo #6, it looks like you should be able to unlatch the control panel, then go in from the front where the CP was & unbolt the coin... um... thing. Two hex bolts on each side, and it should slide out the front.

As I already stated, I can't reach the latches, the picture lies in showing distance. Only with a stick and even then it's hard and it scratches everything.
But I had the CP open before and taken out. The "coin thing" is bolted with assorted screws AND inbus and I also can't reach them to unscrew them. (they are on the wrong side of the glass (inside)
Furthermore there are a lot of wires for the credit switches on the black bar that supports the glass and I fear for breaking them.
So in the end.. I could get in that way, but with danger of breaking things. I'd do it if I really had to repair some things, now it's just an unclean screen and the bezel that's crooked, but I don't think that is the "system" or "trick" to it..

By the way, anyone that's seen the pictures got any ideas for the battery or the (extra?) pcb coin board?

TMNTfan.

http://www.uhbt.nl/turtles

johnm160 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:35:59 am »

what can you see from the inside where the glass meets the speakerboard?

SirPeale · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2006, 10:58:14 am »

So when are those pictures coming?

RayB · « **Reply #28 on:** October 15, 2006, 11:34:48 am »

Quote from: Peale on October 14, 2006, 05:06:27 pm

Quote from: RayB on October 14, 2006, 04:04:45 pm
Download the manual already...
It may or may not have disassembly proceedure for the cabinet.

Yeah but what about the dipstich settings that he says he is just randomly messing with?

SirPeale · « **Reply #29 on:** October 15, 2006, 11:46:09 am »

Quote from: RayB on October 15, 2006, 11:34:48 am

Quote from: Peale on October 14, 2006, 05:06:27 pm
Quote from: RayB on October 14, 2006, 04:04:45 pm
Download the manual already...
It may or may not have disassembly proceedure for the cabinet.

Yeah but what about the dipstich settings that he says he is just randomly messing with?

Ah, I didn't read that part of the thread. Without the context your message was kinda 'huh?' Now it makes sense.

TMNTfan · « **Reply #30 on:** October 15, 2006, 06:15:35 pm »

Quote from: johnm160 on October 15, 2006, 10:35:59 am

what can you see from the inside where the glass meets the speakerboard?

Well, Nothing really. I can see the end of the glass, I can even slide it up a little bit, but something seems to be blocking it from sliding up further. (If it could, I'd be able to slide it downwards and out of it's holdingplace) I can't inspect the place where the block may be from the back of the cab, because it is a closed compartiment (and above the monitor) and when I remove the marquee and then slide the speakerboard as far up as I can, without tearing the cables, it doesn't remove the block or give a clue as to what else blocks it..

Quote from: Peale on October 15, 2006, 10:58:14 am

So when are those pictures coming?

I'll try as soon as I get a hold of the guy who helps me with that..

Quote from: RayB on October 15, 2006, 11:34:48 am

Quote from: Peale on October 14, 2006, 05:06:27 pm
Quote from: RayB on October 14, 2006, 04:04:45 pm
Download the manual already...
It may or may not have disassembly proceedure for the cabinet.

Yeah but what about the dipstich settings that he says he is just randomly messing with?

I am not randomly messing with the DIP switch settings, I have the manual and set the settings exactly as I wanted them, it's just that some extra (coin?) DIP board messes up my settings, making the coinslot not work at all, for example giving me 45 lives per coin instead of multiple credits per coin..

I know that the PCB is not faulty, because if you press the 'free credits buttons' in the back of the cab (shown in my little gallery) you DO get 6 credits per coin, but as soon as you work with coins the other PCB board seems to meddle with the settings.

EDIT: I am sorry but I don't know how to get out of this 'quote' window

TMNTfan

Edit by moderator: fixed for you.

RayB · « **Reply #31 on:** October 16, 2006, 11:53:37 am »

Is it possible you misinterpreted which side of the dipswitch is "ON"? Is it also possible you misinterpretted which position is "1" and which is "8", etc?

TMNTfan · « **Reply #32 on:** October 17, 2006, 02:26:33 am »

Quote from: RayB on October 16, 2006, 11:53:37 am

Is it possible you misinterpreted which side of the dipswitch is "ON"? Is it also possible you misinterpretted which position is "1" and which is "8", etc?

I don't think so, because the 'upside down screen' DIP switch and the manual with the settings gave me the opportunity to double-check what was 'off' and 'on' (so also the numbers of the switches)

plus if I use the pushbuttons inside my cabinet, giving me free credits per player, they seem to bypass that extra board and I DO get all the settings I wanted..

Again, as with my other cabinet problems, it's not too serious but I would like them resolved, especially where the battery goes..

johnm160 · « **Reply #33 on:** October 17, 2006, 11:26:38 pm »

Ok we are going to need some pics with the control panel open. I am sure removing the glass is going to have something to do with the panel that looks like it has four buttons between the control panel and the glass.

Remember this was meant to be in an arcade, the glass is not going to come out with out removing something that would normally be locked.....Usually that will be the control panel.

Open her up and get some pics from that end.


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