Author Topic: Joust cocktail Plans (Read 36360 times)

nostrebor · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2007, 04:38:57 pm »

Thanks guys for getting this modeled. Real Life got me the last 4 months or so... sorry I didn't get to it like I said.

Dave.

spacies · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2007, 05:19:30 pm »

How come the word 'cocktail' has been changed to 'rockettail' throughout the thread???

spacies · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2007, 05:21:02 pm »

WTF???

I meant cock tail

spacies · « **Reply #43 on:** January 22, 2007, 05:21:41 pm »

Can't any say co ck around here??

fixedpigs · « **Reply #44 on:** January 22, 2007, 05:23:14 pm »

lol...

i also was confused...

it looks like we have to check the box to leave posts uncensored in the preferences...

spacies · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2007, 05:28:20 pm »

Cheers,

That fixed it.

fixedpigs · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2007, 10:52:00 pm »

it looks like my assumption of a ten degree slope for the cp was off...

did you have to do a lot of 'tweaking' of measurements around the cp area tailgunner...?

it'd be easy to find the angle of the cp if we had the measurement of the area in the white circle in the second photo...

if you could get a chance jeffo...appreciate it...!

Tailgunner · « **Reply #47 on:** January 23, 2007, 12:58:26 am »

Most of the tweaking I did was extending out the front edge of the side panels approx 1/4", 10 degrees seems to be working here. I've got 1 1/2" at your circled measurement.

One thing I see is you need to lower your control panels a little, if you check the pictures you can see the back edge of the CPs aren't quite flush with bottom side of the lid. I pushed them down 1/4" which is probably too far, but they should be at least 1/8" below the top of the kick panel they attach to.

Here are the dimensions my side panel ended up with:

fixedpigs · « **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2007, 01:32:40 am »

the reason i think the angle needs to be more is so the bottom of the cp would be even with the top of the kick panel...

i gave a recess of 1/8" for the cp from the edge of the side panel...it doesn't look like it's more than that from the photos jeffo provided...

i think the 2 9/16" is too much for the front edge of the side panel...the steeper slope would help shorten that a bit...

i'm trying my best to stay true to the original measurements from the real thing...-=)

(edit)
i just realised...are the kick panels with the speakers supposed to come all of the way up flush with the 'lid'...?

Tailgunner · « **Reply #49 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:59:34 am »

Quote from: fixedpigs on January 23, 2007, 01:32:40 am

(edit)
i just realised...are the kick panels with the speakers supposed to come all of the way up flush with the 'lid'...?

Yup, the pic with the lid open shows the kick panels to be flush at the top with both the side panels and the center column that surrounds the coin mech. The kick panels could be open behind the control panels or simply have a hole drilled through them for the CP wiring harness connector to pass through. One of the pics I asked for was to see the backside of the kick panels and the box that surrounds the coin vault. It would show how the monitor support was attached as well.

Quote

i think the 2 9/16" is too much for the front edge of the side panel...the steeper slope would help shorten that a bit...

i'm trying my best to stay true to the original measurements from the real thing...-=)

Sometimes I work from the numbers, other times I work from the angles. It rally just depends on the circumstances. Back when these golden age cabs were being designed drafting was still done with pencil and paper, and they had to be designed so that they could be quickly produced in a pre-CNC cabinet shop by Joe Sixpack. When I see an odd fraction or an angle with a decimal point I tend to round things off accordingly, I just can't believe the original blueprint would spec any measurement out to 4 decimal places.

fixedpigs · « **Reply #50 on:** January 23, 2007, 10:43:47 am »

Quote from: Tailgunner on January 23, 2007, 04:59:34 am

Back when these golden age cabs were being designed drafting was still done with pencil and paper, and they had to be designed so that they could be quickly produced in a pre-CNC cabinet shop by Joe Sixpack. When I see an odd fraction or an angle with a decimal point I tend to round things off accordingly, I just can't believe the original blueprint would spec any measurement out to 4 decimal places.

good point...something i didn't even really think about...-=)

fixedpigs · « **Reply #51 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:34:56 pm »

check this out...fifteen degree slope & a new curve of ~~5 3/4"~~...an 1/8" offset would make the cp fit perfectly...

~~all of jeffo's original measurements are unchanged...~~ the only one changed is the 7.5" measurement...

(edit)
i did a bit more fiddling after realising the 7" length of the cp wouldn't jive with the above numbers...

the two measurement's in the black circles are the only thing different...

this looks dead-on now...!

spacies · « **Reply #52 on:** January 23, 2007, 06:13:22 pm »

You guys are rocking!

fixedpigs · « **Reply #53 on:** January 23, 2007, 10:12:49 pm »

i edited my previous message...see above...!

rockin_rick · « **Reply #54 on:** January 23, 2007, 11:04:21 pm »

Thanks everyone for taking the time to measure these up and for drawing them up. This is a nice asset for the community.

Rick

Tailgunner · « **Reply #55 on:** January 24, 2007, 09:45:29 am »

Looks good FP.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #56 on:** January 24, 2007, 02:45:03 pm »

Hi guys ... I am still alive, just caught up in some RealLife(tm) stuff that is taking all of my time.

Hopefully I'l be clear by tommorrow evening to get you the remaining measurements and pics.

Sorry for the delays.

Cheers.

spacies · « **Reply #57 on:** January 25, 2007, 03:28:35 pm »

Guys,

Does the software you are using to design this masterpiece support millimeters???

I am from the land of metric and building it using inches is rather difficult.

Thanks.

Tailgunner · « **Reply #58 on:** January 25, 2007, 06:38:29 pm »

I dunno about what FP is using, but I can convert between the systems fairly easily. Plywood thickness might prove a bit of a problem though, the cab is built out of 23/32" plywood which would be 18.25mm in metric. What are typical plywood thicknesses available to you?

spacies · « **Reply #59 on:** January 25, 2007, 06:41:43 pm »

18mm is the standard ply/mdf thickness.

If you could convert to mm's that would be much appreciated.

Its fairly hard to find a tape measure here with inches so basically every measurement has to be converted online. before hand.

fixedpigs · « **Reply #60 on:** January 25, 2007, 10:00:46 pm »

hey gunner...

how do you know the width of the plywood...?
i've been using 3/4" in my drawings...

(edit)
holy crow...i'm tired...
i just did the math...22/32" is 3/4"...basically...

i'm using sketchup® spacies...i'll see if i can convert to metric easily...

fixedpigs · « **Reply #61 on:** January 26, 2007, 01:01:12 am »

hey spacies...

it's super easy for me to change measurement units with sketchup...

so once we get everything finalized...i can definitely get you measurements in millimeters...!

spacies · « **Reply #62 on:** January 26, 2007, 01:17:34 am »

Excellent!

Tailgunner · « **Reply #63 on:** January 26, 2007, 09:46:43 am »

Quote from: fixedpigs on January 25, 2007, 10:00:46 pm

hey gunner...

how do you know the width of the plywood...?
i've been using 3/4" in my drawings...

(edit)
holy crow...i'm tired...
i just did the math...23/32" is 3/4"...basically...

Yeah, plywood typically comes slightly undersize. It's usually not enough to worry about though it might make a difference when doing conversions to metric. If metric plywood is undersized as well then some adjustments may be in order.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #64 on:** January 27, 2007, 08:48:28 am »

I am temporarily free of RealLife(tm) ...or should be later today ... I have re-read the thread to see what I need to get and will try toget it done later today (I seem to have misplaced my builder's protractor, but it has to be around).

Anything else you guys need (I'll be out for the next 3-4 hours) ?

fixedpigs · « **Reply #65 on:** January 27, 2007, 10:47:58 am »

hey jeffo...!

in addition to the info you already have...here's a wishlist of what i'd like...

i've labeled each measurement with a letter(up to 'u')...this way you don't have to mess around with ms paint anymore...-=)

just make a list of letters with each measurement...

thanks again...

fixedpigs · « **Reply #66 on:** January 27, 2007, 10:49:25 am »

more photos...

fixedpigs · « **Reply #67 on:** January 27, 2007, 10:50:02 am »

and one last...

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #68 on:** January 27, 2007, 01:53:54 pm »

Here are the latest measurements and updated pictures.

I like the assigned letter approach, so please feel free to use that in the future so we don't end up hamstrung by my weak graphis skills.

A - 9 1/4"
B - 2 1/2"
C - 1 7/8"
D - 1 7/8"
E - 1 1/8"
F - 11 1/12"
G - 2 15/16"
H - 3 3/4" to top of lock (which is counter-sunk)
I - 1 13/16"
J - 7/8" recessed by 3/4" (it's the door stop)
K - 3 3/4"
L - 2 3/4"
M - wasn't sure what this was, but it is 1 1/2 inch from inner wall to the monitor mount
N - 1/4"
O - 1"
P - 7 3/16"
Q - 15 1/4"
R - 6 15/16"
S - 13 3/8"
T - 10"
U - 2 7/8"

For the side vents, they are 4" wide (on centre) and 1" high.

The top vents are 3 1/2" from the top of the side panel and 3" apart. The vent closest to the rear is 3" from the back of the side panel.

The bottom vent is 5" from the bottom of the side panel.

The CP is sloped at 10 degrees below horizontal.

Side panel is 27 15/16" high along the rear edge.

Picture from below the CP is attached.

.... continued in next post ....

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #69 on:** January 27, 2007, 01:58:36 pm »

The CPs are accessed using two screws seen below in "BehindCP.jpg".

These screws mate wth T-nuts located in the bottom blocks seen in "CPOpen.jpg"

The "floor" of the CPs is 3/4" thick. Note well that these are really shallow panels and,unless you get authentic sticks, you may want to alter ths part of the plans (you can see that mine had the bottom panels routed out in a prior conversion before Williams Guru Mike Ranger lovingly restored it to Joust).

I hope that these help and don't create too many conflicts within your models. I should be around the rest of the weekend for additional measurements / clarifications / pictures.

Thanks for your patience and hard work on this stuff -- this thing must be hell to model.

Cheers.

fixedpigs · « **Reply #70 on:** January 27, 2007, 02:08:39 pm »

wonderful...!

something i forgot...

what is the offest/inset/lip of perpendicular panels...?
1/2"...?
1/4"...?
1/8"...?
none of the above...?

thanks again...!

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #71 on:** January 27, 2007, 02:14:47 pm »

The lip of the vertical panels and the lid ?

fixedpigs · « **Reply #72 on:** January 27, 2007, 02:35:46 pm »

Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 27, 2007, 02:14:47 pm

The lip of the vertical panels and the lid ?

that too...-=)
how much does the 'lid' overlap the base...?

see photos for a more elaborate definition to my latest request...

(edit)
i added some more measurement requests...jj through nn...thanks...!

fixedpigs · « **Reply #73 on:** January 27, 2007, 05:53:20 pm »

woo...!

so far so good...everything is _spot on_...

(edit)
and metric for spacies...

fixedpigs · « **Reply #74 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:23:13 am »

a long evening...but productive...

here is the top...it is damn near perfect...all it needs is the cutout for the monitor/bezel...(measurements please jeffo...thanks...!)

it consists of:
- 3/4" plywood/mdf/etc...
- 1/4" oak/maple/etc...
- 1/4" glass...
- glass clips...
- t-moulding...

(edit)
i added some more measurement requests...dd through ii...thanks...!

steptoe · « **Reply #75 on:** January 28, 2007, 03:44:58 am »

Nothing short of "Poetry in Motion". Very nice guys.

i have never seen this cab before and i must say i want one. This could be my next project.

does anyone know if there is any artwork available.

cheers

heres a pic of my last cocktail

spriggy · « **Reply #76 on:** January 28, 2007, 08:24:24 am »

Quote from: steptoe on January 28, 2007, 03:44:58 am

does anyone know if there is any artwork available.

Yeh.. 'Arcade Renovations' have some in stock and they come with the coin door decals.

http://www.arcaderenovations.com/store/product.php?productid=257&cat=102&page=1

Tailgunner · « **Reply #77 on:** January 28, 2007, 10:46:12 pm »

Damn, I go out of town for a couple of days and FP is all over this project.

Excellent work there bud.

fixedpigs · « **Reply #78 on:** January 29, 2007, 11:03:23 am »

thanks tailgunner...

what can i say...?
it's a fun project...so when i have some time to work on it...i get a lot done...

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #79 on:** January 30, 2007, 08:56:58 am »

Sorry, gus ... got waylayed again. will get the outstanding measurements up as soon as I can.

I the meantime, maybe someone is local and wants to save this poor, mistreated, badly-converted Joust cocktail:

EBay - Joust cocktail in Reno

Cheers


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