So oceancube is OFFICIALLY ripping me off here, what can I do ??

[SNAAKE]

other thread http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=57602.0
Ok I need some answers. he wont reply to my PMs. first he makes a thread about about selling his psp and says its a 1.5, I decide to buy it, I get it and its a 2.6 psp and the headphone is torn and only has left side.

ok so I ask for a refund and he writes a BS story to paypal and refuse to give me a refund. Here is the story he wrote to paypal. he dont mention anything about sending out the WRONG VERSION PSP. Basically what you did was false advertized your item, refuse to give me a refund, now you are playing dumb and writing BS stories to paypal. Here is what he sent to paypal.
"dear paypal, sold a working sony psp handheld system on byoab.com to a member which is the one im filing with, well, i sent out psp via usps priority mail, so he recived items and then emails me telling me that he wont be able to mod that sony psp, so asks for a refund, i told him i could not refund him the money unless the sony psp was broken which it wasen't, he complained about not being able to play emulated games and using pirated games on it, i never mentioned to him anything about using it for that purpose but only to be able to play it like it's meant to play with umd movies and umd psp games,not pirated games which is illeagle. i told him noway he had the right to ask for a refund for that purpose,now im stuck with this and he's been pm'ing me and threating me that "I WILL GIVE HIM A REFUND" so i really dont know what to say about it, therefore i leave it to you guys to do your job!!THANKS AGAIN PAYPAL.... ANGELA M. RAMOS"




so to make this work, I find a trusted 3rd party who is willing to solve this problem for us and he STILL refuse to work this out and here is oceancube's latest reply.
"originally posted by oceancube:
HEY SNAKE, WELL IT'S OVER NOW YOUR REALLY GONNA HAVE TO DOWNGRADE IT, YOU BELIVE WHAT YOU WANT TO, IM NO THIEFT AND I HAVE HUNDREDS OF POSITIVE FEEDBACKS ON ALOT OF FORUMS WITH,THIS BEING MY SECOND BAD TRANSACTION, HERE AND EBAY..... IM SORRY BUT YOU MAD ME LOOK BAD ALREADY AND I HOPE YOUR HAPPY WITH THE WAY YOU WANTED TO WORK IT OUT! I MAY LOOK LIKE A BAD PERSON BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO BUY AND TRADE AND SELL HERE, NOT GONNA LET YOU BRING ME DOWN..... NUFF SAID BUDDY..................."

If this is not ripping me off then I dont know what is, I find a trusted 3rd party and he STILL doesnt wanna make this work
Basically his latest excuse for not willing to make this work with the trusted 3rd party is that " I made him look bad" 

this guy is beyond reasonable and should he be IP banned from BYOAC and never allowed any trades EVER again ?? clearly is ripping me off here. mods,please dont close this thread. I need some answers from oceancube since he wont reply my PMs.

[horseboy]

I can't figure out what you are selling here. I'll take 2 I guess.

[DrewKaree]

In your view, he's being "unreasonable".  In others' view, he's not, and you've attempted to fix your problems by airing your dirty laundry in public, rather than keeping it private and resolving it.

Then, Saint locks the thread and TELLS you to handle it via PM's and e-mails, as if pissing off yet ANOTHER person is the way to handle your problem.

Notice the similarities between these two threads?  It's YOU, and your inability to see reason.

All you've done is demonstrate to numerous people that they should never deal with you, and that you're unstable.  Congrats

[missioncontrol]

I say by trying to drag his name down rather than work something out you only did this to yourself....

I'm considering never doing any transactions with you because you created not one, but two threads about this.......

[boykster]

I'll say it again....

FW 2.6 IS downgradable to 1.5....

www.ps2nfo.com

Other than that, I'd say this thread is short lived as it is in direct violation of Saints request.  I'm like Switzerland, I'm neutral otherwise...

[oceancube]

OKAY SNAKE PLS STOP THIS ALREADY , I ANSWERED ALL 3 PM'S, NOW IM IGNORING YOUR PM'S, YOUR STARTING A REALLY BAD REPUTATION FOR ME OR AT LEAST TRYING TO. I ALREADY PM'ED YOU LIKE 5 TIMES TONIGHT ALONE, ENOUGH PLS STOP THIS,AND NOW I SHOULD BE BANNED. MAN YOUR REALLY A CRUEL PERSON.... IM DONE WITH YOUR POSTS, I THINK YOU ENJOY TRYING TO PUSH A BUTTON, BUT I WILL NOT LET YOU, I WILL JUST IGNORE ALL YOUR POST TOPICS FROM NOW ON!!!

[bradster25]

I know not to ever deal with snake
he needs to be added to bad buyers list for sure (SHAKES HEAD)

[SNAAKE]

I'll say it again....

FW 2.6 IS downgradable to 1.5...

^ this one is not downgradable. I CHECKED !

and those of you think I am being unreasonable. explain why ??
sure he said he would replace it but how can I trust him ? what if I sent the psp and never returns any of my PM just like how he is dealing with the situation now. I cant trust for the following reasons.

- false advertized his item and sent a wrong one

- sent a torn headphone with only left side

- he doesnt have ANY frack on this site

I need to EXACTLY why he cant settle the problem with a trusted 3rd party

I know not to ever deal with snake
he needs to be added to bad buyers list for sure (SHAKES HEAD)

so I am the bad guy because the seller is ripping me off by sending a different item and a torn ear bud ?? I think you should be banned for coming out of nowhere and start labeling me.

[SNAAKE]

In your view, he's being "unreasonable".  In others' view, he's not, and you've attempted to fix your problems by airing your dirty laundry in public, rather than keeping it private and resolving it.

I expect better from you

I TRIED reasoning with the guy through PM he is not willing to do anything about the mistakes HE made on this transaction. He is the one sent a wrong version psp and a torn ear bud. I simply wanted a refund and he wont do it and expects me to ship it to him after what he did.

THEN I decide to go with the trusted 3rd party idea and guess what, he wont do that either. Basically there is nothing I can do(other than my last opitions..deal with it with my credit card company and file a charge back claim)

[NightGod]

First off, I'm pretty sure it's Saint who makes decisions on bannings, I'd be careful about crossing that line.

Secondly, you took a mistake on the seller's part, that he was willing to correct (exactly the same way every other seller would have done it, and the way I've done similar things in the past-send me back the bad item, once I check and see that it was really a mistake and not a misunderstanding on your part, I send back the replacement-you as the buyer have PayPal on your side as long as you send it back with a tracking number, the seller has squat from them if they send you the second and you decide to keep both) and turned it into a character assassination attempt and blew things way out of proportion.

Thirdly, you ignored the third party suggestion until you tried to get PayPal to agree with you (which they didn't) and when that failed, THEN you tried to act like a reasonable person about it.

Sorry man, you went about this about as badly as possible. I agree with the people who wouldn't do buisness with you in the future, I know I'll be avoiding it personally.

[SNAAKE]

did you not read my post right above yours ?? how am I supposed to trust a guy who ships out a different item AND a damaged item. he is not an honest seller because he KNEW the ear bud was torn in half and only has left side but he never mentioned that on this selling thread.

and I couldnt send it back to him because I couldnt do ANYTHING if he got the psp and chose not to send me the 1.5 replacement.

I ignored the 3rd party idea because I simply didnt wanna deal with this guy and lose even more money on shipping. I wanted the money back and ANY other buyer would have done the same. I paid for a 1.5 psp and he sent a 2.6 and a torn/damaged earbud.

[whatzcrackn]

Do what must be done Snaake..... Do not hesitate and show no mercy!!!

Do the charge back.  

I know ZAKK is not going to like this but you have been civil and that has resulted in nothing.  When being civil doesn't work you must get gangsta and if that doesn't work strike like a ninja.  Make a swift and painless decision.

I can tell you all day OC is wrong but you know what, I don't have your $200.00.  OC currently has the power and you need to react to it.  Creating new post is going nowhere and is involving people that it should not.  An opinion is like an A**, everyone has one.  Making a new post that will be locked in the matter of minutes is not the solution.

This path has been set in front of you my young Padawan and travel it by yourself you must!!

[Zakk]

I know ZAKK is not going to like this but you have been civil and that has resulted in nothing.  When being civil doesn't work you must get gangsta and if that doesn't work strike like a ninja.  Make a swift and painless decision.

Ooooh, I get an underline and everything, eh homeboy? Stop your flirting, I'm not your type, trust me. 

[whatzcrackn]

I know ZAKK is not going to like this but you have been civil and that has resulted in nothing.  When being civil doesn't work you must get gangsta and if that doesn't work strike like a ninja.  Make a swift and painless decision.

Ooooh, I get an underline and everything, eh homeboy? Stop your flirting, I'm not your type, trust me. 

[oceancube]

Do what must be done Snaake..... Do not hesitate and show no mercy!!!

Do the charge back.  

I know ZAKK is not going to like this but you have been civil and that has resulted in nothing.  When being civil doesn't work you must get gangsta and if that doesn't work strike like a ninja.  Make a swift and painless decision.

I can tell you all day OC is wrong but you know what, I don't have your $200.00.  OC currently has the power and you need to react to it.  Creating new post is going nowhere and is involving people that it should not.  An opinion is like an A**, everyone has one.  Making a new post that will be locked in the matter of minutes is not the solution.

This path has been set in front of you my young Padawan and travel it by yourself you must!!

NICELY SAID ........... WHATZCRACKN  YOU AIN'T NOTHING CLOSE TO GANGSTA, YOU NEED TO GO ABOUT YOUR BUISNESS AND BACKOFF DUDE, YOUR LIKE A LITTLE KID THERE PICKING AND PICKING... LIKE A RAT WITH CHESSE, OR A SNAKE IN THE GRASS!!! RELAX AND LET HIM DECIDE WHAT TO DO. HE DID WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT AND GO BEHIND MY BACK AND TRY TO PULL THE PAYPAL DEAL WITH ME AND DIDN'T WORK, NOW HE WANT'S TO TRY TO COOPERATE WITH ME NOW... LOL .. NOT HERE BUDDY... WHY DONT YOU SEND HIM THE $215 BACK SINCE YOU HAVE HIS BACK AND YOUR A GANGSTA,GANGSTA....YOUR JUST INSTIGATING THATS ALL, ADD FUEL TO THE FIRE DUDE....

[DrewKaree]

I TRIED reasoning with the guy through PM he is not willing to do anything about the mistakes HE made on this transaction.

You again are being dishonest.  The thread is locked, not post hell-ed, and anyone with half a brain can see that he immediately offered to resolve the problem.  You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to believe what you're claiming about him being unwilling to do anything, since he clearly and publicly stated he wanted to solve the problem.

The issue you have is that you didn't like his solution, and you ignored his offer time and time again, until it became apparent that Paypal wasn't going to do jack for you.

You continued to air your dirty laundry, as if by bullying him in public on the forums here, you'd get him to do your bidding the way YOU wanted it done, rather than the solution he immediately offered you.  You're BEYOND belief when telling us that you're holding a $200 piece of electronic equipment and that you got "ripped off".  A MISTAKE was made, nothing else.  You're being unreasonable in trying to twist a MISTAKE into something equating being "ripped off"

Continuing to air your dirty laundry in public is something Saint EXPRESSLY addressed, and stated that BOTH SIDES WERE HEARD, AND YOU SHOULD HANDLE IT IN PM OR VIA E-MAIL.

You continue to ignore the wishes of Saint, exhibiting an unreasonable view that you weren't through, and saint be damned, you're going to have your case heard in the court of public opinion, then, when the jury doesn't agree with you, you act as if everyone just can't understand what's going on.  You won't grasp this precisely BECAUSE you're being unreasonable, and getting further down that track with every post.

You're lucky you have a PSP in your hand at all, and at this point, you're damned lucky to not be given another 3-day vacation or outright banning yet again for acting as if Saint hasn't been fair in allowing you to publicly badmouth another board member for FAR too long.  You've had the case laid out for you, yet continue to harp on what ELSE is broken (and could have been solved along with the original offer).  Had you not become belligerent in the first place and been able to discern the difference between a mistake and a rip-off, you might have come to a resolution.  Now, if OC does ANYTHING more for you after the way you've acted, I've no doubt you'll try to retaliate in some way since you went off half-cocked, which is more than likely why he's unwilling to do ANYTHING more for you, and quite frankly, I don't believe there's many folks who blame him anymore.

In closing, if, as you're claiming, you expect "better" from me, then evidently you believe that you could expect some reason/sanity or a decent perspective on the situation from me.  The fact that you disagree with me based on all the points I've laid out shows your unwillingness to listen (or read) anything about what's gone on, and you've developed tunnel vision based on what you want NOW, not what you STARTED asking for.  Go to bed.  When you wake up in the morning, re-read everything.  If you still can't understand where you went off the tracks, there's no hope for this situation, and Christ himself couldn't make you understand and realize where YOU started to go wrong, and how YOU caused yourself a bigger problem than you ever needed it to be.


OC, please stop with the ALL CAPS REPLIES.  I understand your frustration, but keeping your head while dealing with an unreasonable person is all you can do right now, and those locked caps responses make you seem unhinged.  Thanks.

G'night all.  May this thread be put to a merciful death when next I visit.

[whatzcrackn]

Do what must be done Snaake..... Do not hesitate and show no mercy!!!

Do the charge back.  

I know ZAKK is not going to like this but you have been civil and that has resulted in nothing.  When being civil doesn't work you must get gangsta and if that doesn't work strike like a ninja.  Make a swift and painless decision.

I can tell you all day OC is wrong but you know what, I don't have your $200.00.  OC currently has the power and you need to react to it.  Creating new post is going nowhere and is involving people that it should not.  An opinion is like an A**, everyone has one.  Making a new post that will be locked in the matter of minutes is not the solution.

This path has been set in front of you my young Padawan and travel it by yourself you must!!

NICELY SAID ........... WHATZCRACKN  YOU AIN'T NOTHING CLOSE TO GANGSTA, YOU NEED TO GO ABOUT YOUR BUISNESS AND BACKOFF DUDE, YOUR LIKE A LITTLE KID THERE PICKING AND PICKING... LIKE A RAT WITH CHESSE, OR A SNAKE IN THE GRASS!!! RELAX AND LET HIM DECIDE WHAT TO DO. HE DID WHAT HE THOUGHT WAS RIGHT AND GO BEHIND MY BACK AND TRY TO PULL THE PAYPAL DEAL WITH ME AND DIDN'T WORK, NOW HE WANT'S TO TRY TO COOPERATE WITH ME NOW... LOL .. NOT HERE BUDDY... WHY DONT YOU SEND HIM THE $215 BACK SINCE YOU HAVE HIS BACK AND YOUR A GANGSTA,GANGSTA....YOUR JUST INSTIGATING THATS ALL, ADD FUEL TO THE FIRE DUDE....

Ok.......... What da Fizzle.

Let me just put it this way OC, if you were smart, you would have stopped replying to these post a while ago.  But as we can see you cant even ship a package right.  And as far as being gangsta, dont let me being on this forum fool you.  My days out will always blow your nights out!!

I honestly could not careless but you guys continue to go at it, so why not.  You continue to send the invites, genius!!!

[oceancube]

I TRIED reasoning with the guy through PM he is not willing to do anything about the mistakes HE made on this transaction.

You again are being dishonest.  The thread is locked, not post hell-ed, and anyone with half a brain can see that he immediately offered to resolve the problem.  You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to believe what you're claiming about him being unwilling to do anything, since he clearly and publicly stated he wanted to solve the problem.

The issue you have is that you didn't like his solution, and you ignored his offer time and time again, until it became apparent that Paypal wasn't going to do jack for you.

You continued to air your dirty laundry, as if by bullying him in public on the forums here, you'd get him to do your bidding the way YOU wanted it done, rather than the solution he immediately offered you.  You're BEYOND belief when telling us that you're holding a $200 piece of electronic equipment and that you got "ripped off".  A MISTAKE was made, nothing else.  You're being unreasonable in trying to twist a MISTAKE into something equating being "ripped off"

Continuing to air your dirty laundry in public is something Saint EXPRESSLY addressed, and stated that BOTH SIDES WERE HEARD, AND YOU SHOULD HANDLE IT IN PM OR VIA E-MAIL.

You continue to ignore the wishes of Saint, exhibiting an unreasonable view that you weren't through, and saint be damned, you're going to have your case heard in the court of public opinion, then, when the jury doesn't agree with you, you act as if everyone just can't understand what's going on.  You won't grasp this precisely BECAUSE you're being unreasonable, and getting further down that track with every post.

You're lucky you have a PSP in your hand at all, and at this point, you're damned lucky to not be given another 3-day vacation or outright banning yet again for acting as if Saint hasn't been fair in allowing you to publicly badmouth another board member for FAR too long.  You've had the case laid out for you, yet continue to harp on what ELSE is broken (and could have been solved along with the original offer).  Had you not become belligerent in the first place and been able to discern the difference between a mistake and a rip-off, you might have come to a resolution.  Now, if OC does ANYTHING more for you after the way you've acted, I've no doubt you'll try to retaliate in some way since you went off half-cocked, which is more than likely why he's unwilling to do ANYTHING more for you, and quite frankly, I don't believe there's many folks who blame him anymore.

In closing, if, as you're claiming, you expect "better" from me, then evidently you believe that you could expect some reason/sanity or a decent perspective on the situation from me.  The fact that you disagree with me based on all the points I've laid out shows your unwillingness to listen (or read) anything about what's gone on, and you've developed tunnel vision based on what you want NOW, not what you STARTED asking for.  Go to bed.  When you wake up in the morning, re-read everything.  If you still can't understand where you went off the tracks, there's no hope for this situation, and Christ himself couldn't make you understand and realize where YOU started to go wrong, and how YOU caused yourself a bigger problem than you ever needed it to be.


OC, please stop with the ALL CAPS REPLIES.  I understand your frustration, but keeping your head while dealing with an unreasonable person is all you can do right now, and those locked caps responses make you seem unhinged.  Thanks.

G'night all.  May this thread be put to a merciful death when next I visit.

finally took the darn caps lock off, didn't even notice it , ive just been typing so fast i didn't even bother to recognize it, im not mad at all just a little fustrated at myself...... thanks for the reminder

[NightGod]

and I couldnt send it back to him because I couldnt do ANYTHING if he got the psp and chose not to send me the 1.5 replacement.

Actually, that's where you are completely wrong. You send it back, if he doesn't send the 1.5 replacement, THEN you file with PayPal, show the tracking number and get your refund.

If you could ever stop being a tunnel-visioned jackass, you would have realized that people told you that days ago.

Instead, you flew off the handle, started a character assassination campaign and it backfired. Now you just seem like a child who got the Milky Way instead of the Three Muskateers and are going to throw a fit about it in the middle of the store aisle.

[SNAAKE]

I TRIED reasoning with the guy through PM he is not willing to do anything about the mistakes HE made on this transaction.

You again are being dishonest.  The thread is locked, not post hell-ed, and anyone with half a brain can see that he immediately offered to resolve the problem.  You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to believe what you're claiming about him being unwilling to do anything, since he clearly and publicly stated he wanted to solve the problem.

The issue you have is that you didn't like his solution, and you ignored his offer time and time again, until it became apparent that Paypal wasn't going to do jack for you.

You continued to air your dirty laundry, as if by bullying him in public on the forums here, you'd get him to do your bidding the way YOU wanted it done, rather than the solution he immediately offered you.  You're BEYOND belief when telling us that you're holding a $200 piece of electronic equipment and that you got "ripped off".  A MISTAKE was made, nothing else.  You're being unreasonable in trying to twist a MISTAKE into something equating being "ripped off"

Continuing to air your dirty laundry in public is something Saint EXPRESSLY addressed, and stated that BOTH SIDES WERE HEARD, AND YOU SHOULD HANDLE IT IN PM OR VIA E-MAIL.

You continue to ignore the wishes of Saint, exhibiting an unreasonable view that you weren't through, and saint be damned, you're going to have your case heard in the court of public opinion, then, when the jury doesn't agree with you, you act as if everyone just can't understand what's going on.  You won't grasp this precisely BECAUSE you're being unreasonable, and getting further down that track with every post.

You're lucky you have a PSP in your hand at all, and at this point, you're damned lucky to not be given another 3-day vacation or outright banning yet again for acting as if Saint hasn't been fair in allowing you to publicly badmouth another board member for FAR too long.  You've had the case laid out for you, yet continue to harp on what ELSE is broken (and could have been solved along with the original offer).  Had you not become belligerent in the first place and been able to discern the difference between a mistake and a rip-off, you might have come to a resolution.  Now, if OC does ANYTHING more for you after the way you've acted, I've no doubt you'll try to retaliate in some way since you went off half-cocked, which is more than likely why he's unwilling to do ANYTHING more for you, and quite frankly, I don't believe there's many folks who blame him anymore.

In closing, if, as you're claiming, you expect "better" from me, then evidently you believe that you could expect some reason/sanity or a decent perspective on the situation from me.  The fact that you disagree with me based on all the points I've laid out shows your unwillingness to listen (or read) anything about what's gone on, and you've developed tunnel vision based on what you want NOW, not what you STARTED asking for.  Go to bed.  When you wake up in the morning, re-read everything.  If you still can't understand where you went off the tracks, there's no hope for this situation, and Christ himself couldn't make you understand and realize where YOU started to go wrong, and how YOU caused yourself a bigger problem than you ever needed it to be.


OC, please stop with the ALL CAPS REPLIES.  I understand your frustration, but keeping your head while dealing with an unreasonable person is all you can do right now, and those locked caps responses make you seem unhinged.  Thanks.

G'night all.  May this thread be put to a merciful death when next I visit.

why should I agree with his terms ?? he sent the wrong item and I asked for a refund and an HONEST seller would have refunded the money and call it a day.

he didnt make a "mistake". he knew DAMN well the psp is a 2.6 AND he knew the headphone is torn in half and only has left side. but since he is a grade A scammer, he doesnt mention of that on this selling thread.

then he writes a BS unrelated story to paypal and gets away with it. this is what I call grade A scam at its best. I am surprised how you only see how I am jumping the gun and not the REASON. He could have simply issued a refund but he said "NO WAY I AM GIVING YOU A REFUND".

and honestly, I HIGHLY doubt he has another 1.5 psp for exchange..why would he have 2 PSPs and why didnt he send the 1.5 in the first place  

[Zakk]

There, that's better!

[whatzcrackn]

i cant refresh fast enough 

and yes, its late and I have nothing better to do!!! 

[Vigo]

You know what's ironic....I don't even think that any of Hapal's victims ranted this loudly....


(not trying to compare OC to Harpal in any way...)

[SNAAKE]

You know what's ironic....I don't even think that any of Hapal's victims ranted this loudly....


(not trying to compare OC to Harpal in any way...)

Because he is ignoring ANY logic and acting like a fairy. he doesnt even admit its his fault. I would have taken this to court if he was local. anyone with a half a brain can see its CLEARLY his fault and its not a "mistake" either.

He sent a diffent version psp and a torn earbud cuz he KNEW he can get away with this through paypal. if this wasnt the case then he would have refunded the money in the first place. or even go with the trusted 3rd party. he wont because he doesnt even have another 1.5 psp for exchange.

[whatzcrackn]

I cant resist!

WOW, he called you a fairy OC!! I know if my name was OC, I would not take that!!

Its like that energizer bunny....................... they keep going and going

[Vigo]

I cant resist!

WOW, he called you a fairy OC!! I know if my name was OC, I would not take that!!

Its like that energizer bunny....................... they keep going and going

What's your deal, you're just trying to egg everybody on...that doesn't help one bit.

[whatzcrackn]

I cant resist!

WOW, he called you a fairy OC!! I know if my name was OC, I would not take that!!

Its like that energizer bunny....................... they keep going and going

What's your deal, you're just trying to egg everybody on...that doesn't help one bit?

Really...... ding,ding ding... I believe we have a winner!!!  You are beginning to see the obvious.

As I said before threads like this dont help and if you want to put it out there expect weird responses. 

And like what you are saying helps.

You know what's ironic....I don't even think that any of Hapal's victims ranted this loudly....


(not trying to compare OC to Harpal in any way...)

... Please.  Last I checked this was between Snaake and OC...

Take what I am saying like a grain of salt.

[Vigo]

Last I checked this was between Snaake and OC...

Sure, I would love to stay out of it, but if your going to give me that advice, I expect you to do the same.

I'm done here...

[whatzcrackn]

Last I checked this was between Snaake and OC...

Sure, I would love to stay out of it, but if your going to give me that advice, I expect you to do the same.

I'm done here...

You will be back....... You'll be back.  Man we all will.  I think this has been going on for week and a half and three threads and counting!

[oceancube]

Last I checked this was between Snaake and OC...

Sure, I would love to stay out of it, but if your going to give me that advice, I expect you to do the same.

I'm done here...

You will be back....... You'll be back.  Man we all will.  I think this has been going on for week and a half and three threads and counting!

thats funny you say that, it's like addicting to you isn't in

[whatzcrackn]

Last I checked this was between Snaake and OC...

Sure, I would love to stay out of it, but if your going to give me that advice, I expect you to do the same.

I'm done here...

You will be back....... You'll be back.  Man we all will.  I think this has been going on for week and a half and three threads and counting!

thats funny you say that, it's like addicting to you isn't in

OC I am sry man!  It is not you but rather the issue.  You guys need to meet middle groud.  Pride is a bi-yatch

[oceancube]

Last I checked this was between Snaake and OC...

Sure, I would love to stay out of it, but if your going to give me that advice, I expect you to do the same.

I'm done here...

You will be back....... You'll be back.  Man we all will.  I think this has been going on for week and a half and three threads and counting!

thats funny you say that, it's like addicting to you isn't in

OC I am sry man!  It is not you but rather the issue.  You guys need to meet middle groud.  Pride is a bi-yatch

i understand how you feel, i wish it went another route myself but it didn't and there's nothing i can.. or wait there's nothing im not gonna do anymore about it, i almost got owned  by paypal and practically look bad here on byoab now... time will pass and this will end some day!

[SNAAKE]

look bad ? are you saying you are NOT BAD ??

false advertizing then sending a different version of psp and a torn headphones IS pretty bad imo. why should anyone ever trust you again ?? how do they know you wont send them something broken again ??

[Goz]

* Goz pulls up the recliner, a bucket of popcorn, and a 64 oz beverage to enjoy the show....

It's amazing to watch you guys go on.

I understand both sides or at least I am pretty sure I do. I have been burned out of about $400 in the same manner that SNAAAKE imigines he will if he sends back the PSP. WIth the trust barrier and the unwillingness to go the route of a trusted 3rd party this will go no where.

SNAAAKE could file greviances with paypal, USPS (mail fraud), or the Internet FRAUD commitee.

If OC wants to prove to be the bigger man by sending SNAAAKE another PSP via trusted 3rd party or a coo-ordinated cross ship with both you guys sending tracking #'s / pics of reciepts etc... It would probably go a long ways in protecting the reputation that OC feels is being damaged by these threads.

Someone needs to suck it up and bend a little or else these threads will continue.

If you guys want to go the trusted 3rd party route I too will offer my services.

-G

[bradster25]

 

he speaks well

didnt know hackers havent fig out how to downgrade newer ver yet

so in that case i can see this being the best option

question is with ti blown so far out I dont see either side going for it

[Goz]

The TA-082 mainboard PSP's are a problem to downgrade.

[oceancube]

look bad ? are you saying you are NOT BAD ??

false advertizing then sending a different version of psp and a torn headphones IS pretty bad imo. why should anyone ever trust you again ?? how do they know you wont send them something broken again ??

I honestly don't think im a bad person, god and i know it, i tried and tried and tried the first 3 days with you went out my way to get another psp to send you, you refused to send it first because i was supposably gonna rip you off and run like a dog from you, i sent you all my info my home number my address my zip code everything, and still you refused, all you had to do was say okay, im gonna send it back usps priority mail with delivery confermation for $6.50 total and when you recieve it send me my 1.5 one that you went out and got , then when it arrives and is in great shape i will leave you the good feedback, but no you wanted to be a snaake and try to go your way, you swore i was a theift, all you did was demand i pay this and pay that, you sounded like the seller should have sounded, but no there i was , trying to cooperate with you and get it straight, but then it all backfired on you and now i really dont feel bad for you, i hope that you next time ask questions instead of pm'ing me from nowhere and just say "ILL TAKE THE PSP AS LONG AS IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION AND PLS SEND THE 1GB CARD WITH NASTY VIDS AND MUSIC"i wish i knew how to post all your pm's on here from the time you asked for it to the time you received it, infact you did never ask anything about 1.5, i have all your pm's i can prove it....so that being said again i hope i dont get into this topic again... i hope!!!

[SNAAKE]

look bad ? are you saying you are NOT BAD ??

false advertizing then sending a different version of psp and a torn headphones IS pretty bad imo. why should anyone ever trust you again ?? how do they know you wont send them something broken again ??

I honestly don't think im a bad person, god and i know it, i tried and tried and tried the first 3 days with you went out my way to get another psp to send you, you refused to send it first because i was supposably gonna rip you off and run like a dog from you, i sent you all my info my home number my address my zip code everything, and still you refused, all you had to do was say okay, im gonna send it back usps priority mail with delivery confermation for $6.50 total and when you recieve it send me my 1.5 one that you went out and got , then when it arrives and is in great shape i will leave you the good frack, but no you wanted to be a snaake and try to go your way, you swore i was a theift, all you did was demand i pay this and pay that, you sounded like the seller should have sounded, but no there i was , trying to cooperate with you and get it straight, but then it all backfired on you and now i really dont feel bad for you, i hope that you next time ask questions instead of pm'ing me from nowhere and just say "ILL TAKE THE PSP AS LONG AS IT'S IN GOOD CONDITION AND PLS SEND THE 1GB CARD WITH NASTY VIDS AND MUSIC"i wish i knew how to post all your pm's on here from the time you asked for it to the time you received it, infact you did never ask anything about 1.5, i have all your pm's i can prove it....so that being said again i hope i dont get into this topic again... i hope!!!

again, you are LYING and making up stories. I never said anything about whats in the card. I did NOT pay you for whatever you had on your card. you are the one OFFERED either a new card or one with "things" on it and ask me if it was ok for you to leave them there and I said "sure whatever". once again, you fail at looking innocent. you are still a scammer and always will be.

I never PAID for the "nastay vids" so stop trying to make it look like I ASKED you for anything on that card. I paid for a 1.5 psp with charger,headphones,1gb card and I dont have to ASK you what version because someone already asked what version psp it was and you said "1.5 thanks". and you decide to send a 2.6 version. If there was ANY changes then you should have told me that before accepting payment and sending the PSP. something like "my thread says I am selling a 1.5 psp but its NOT a 1.5 and its  a 2.6 and a half assed earbud, do you still want it ?". Then you would be an honest seller but too bad you are not.

you are possibly the most...how should I put it.."mentally challanged" person I ever knew. ANYONE with a half brain can see its your fault. not the mention the half assed ear bud you sent.

attached screen shot of your PM, once again you fail !

* Goz pulls up the recliner, a bucket of popcorn, and a 64 oz beverage to enjoy the show....

It's amazing to watch you guys go on.

I understand both sides or at least I am pretty sure I do. I have been burned out of about $400 in the same manner that SNAAAKE imigines he will if he sends back the PSP. WIth the trust barrier and the unwillingness to go the route of a trusted 3rd party this will go no where.

SNAAAKE could file greviances with paypal, USPS (mail fraud), or the Internet FRAUD commitee.

If OC wants to prove to be the bigger man by sending SNAAAKE another PSP via trusted 3rd party or a coo-ordinated cross ship with both you guys sending tracking #'s / pics of reciepts etc... It would probably go a long ways in protecting the reputation that OC feels is being damaged by these threads.

Someone needs to suck it up and bend a little or else these threads will continue.

If you guys want to go the trusted 3rd party route I too will offer my services.

-G

he doesnt wanna do anything..I wanted to do the cross shipping before I filed a complain through paypal.

I am STILL willing to do the trusted 3rd party thing but he wont agree on that term either. we can get rid of the threads since he is using these as "damage to his reputation" excuse. We can start fresh and do either cross ship or 3rd party. I wont even bother PMing him anymore. OC, if you are interested at all send me a PM.

(I totally trust you for the 3rd party Goz..we did some business in the past)

[leapinlew]

The issue you have is that you didn't like his solution, and you ignored his offer time and time again, until it became apparent that Paypal wasn't going to do jack for you.

You continued to air your dirty laundry, as if by bullying him in public on the forums here, you'd get him to do your bidding the way YOU wanted it done, rather than the solution he immediately offered you.  You're BEYOND belief when telling us that you're holding a $200 piece of electronic equipment and that you got "ripped off".  A MISTAKE was made, nothing else.  You're being unreasonable in trying to twist a MISTAKE into something equating being "ripped off"

You continue to ignore the wishes of Saint, exhibiting an unreasonable view that you weren't through, and saint be damned, you're going to have your case heard in the court of public opinion, then, when the jury doesn't agree with you, you act as if everyone just can't understand what's going on.  You won't grasp this precisely BECAUSE you're being unreasonable, and getting further down that track with every post.

You're lucky you have a PSP in your hand at all, and at this point, you're damned lucky to not be given another 3-day vacation or outright banning yet again for acting as if Saint hasn't been fair in allowing you to publicly badmouth another board member for FAR too long.  You've had the case laid out for you, yet continue to harp on what ELSE is broken (and could have been solved along with the original offer).  Had you not become belligerent in the first place and been able to discern the difference between a mistake and a rip-off, you might have come to a resolution.  Now, if OC does ANYTHING more for you after the way you've acted, I've no doubt you'll try to retaliate in some way since you went off half-cocked, which is more than likely why he's unwilling to do ANYTHING more for you, and quite frankly, I don't believe there's many folks who blame him anymore.

100% spot on.

Snaake, you've made a bed... time to sleep. Sell the damn PSP already. I'd give you $250 for it, but I need a good set of earbuds. 

[shardian]

I agree that you should just sell it. With a 1 gb mem card, you can get $200 back out of it. I totally understand your frustration with the seller. However, you did come out and start bashing him too early, especially since you admit he had said he would fix the situation. As another person on this site recently learned, don't go pissing off the person that sold the item. A true scammer would have hit the road laughing all the way to the bank. There are plenty more forums on the 'net for them to move on to.

Having said that, OC, you were in the wrong when you came to defend yourself. You DID clearly state the firmware of the psp in your sell thread. You also started bashing snaake because you were embarrassed for being called out. That is no way to respond when your rep is on the line...especially when you WERE in the wrong initially. Humility goes a long way my friend. The paypal email thing was plain wrong.

Long story short, you both have handled this badly. You need to let bygones be bygones, and complete a refund to buyer. Give him the damn refund, OC, and send the damn thing back, snaake. We all know this will never happen since you are both apparently kids (Your lack of proper grammar and punctuation just screams immaturity...especially in a situation like this).

This issue should DEFINITELY not still be on the boards. Hope you guys can work this out in PRIVATE.

[Hoagie_one]

wow

[Stingray]

Snake, almost any seller be it here, ebay or a retailer would require you to send the incorrect item back before they would send you another one. The guy offered to do this and you acted like it was the most outlandish offer you had ever heard. I don't get that response at all. A mistake was made, you're the one acting like an ass. You're really taking a chance at getting yourself banned again with this hostility.

You paid $200. You have an item that's easily worth $200 in your hands. You were not scammed. If you had used any degree of civility in your approach to this problem you'd probably already have a 1.5 on it's way to you.

-S

[SNAAKE]

I simply couldnt trust the guy after he sent the wrong version on AND torn earbuds. These are not "MISTAKES" and blatent lies and scam attempt. I wanted to do the cross ship and he said no. I couldnt really do much if I sent the psp and he never send another one back to me. paypal would still give me the same crap they are giving me now. they are telling me "you got the psp and thats it". I've been trying to get the exchange but I wanted to make sure paypal agrees to this first. And guess what, PAYPAL DOES NOT CARE ABOUT AN EXCHANGE OR REFUND. maybe it had something to do with him sending in this complete BS story to paypal, they are thinking I am just trying to get another psp from him and he did nothing wrong here.

Here is the story he wrote to paypal for those of you missed it.
"dear paypal, sold a working sony psp handheld system on byoab.com to a member which is the one im filing with, well, i sent out psp via usps priority mail, so he recived items and then emails me telling me that he wont be able to mod that sony psp, so asks for a refund, i told him i could not refund him the money unless the sony psp was broken which it wasen't, he complained about not being able to play emulated games and using pirated games on it, i never mentioned to him anything about using it for that purpose but only to be able to play it like it's meant to play with umd movies and umd psp games,not pirated games which is illeagle. i told him noway he had the right to ask for a refund for that purpose,now im stuck with this and he's been pm'ing me and threating me that "I WILL GIVE HIM A REFUND" so i really dont know what to say about it, therefore i leave it to you guys to do your job!!THANKS AGAIN PAYPAL.... ANGELA M. RAMOS"


This is WHY I couldnt trust the guy, he is lying about pretty much everything. I would have retured the damn psp for an exchange if he agreed to do the exchange THROUGH paypal. He could have wrote "ok send back the psp and I will send you another one" and I would have been safe that way but no, INSTEAD he decides to write a nice story to paypal.

[escher]

I couldnt really do much if I sent the psp and he never send another one back to me. paypal would still give me the same crap they are giving me now. they are telling me "you got the psp and thats it". I've been trying to get the exchange but I wanted to make sure paypal agrees to this first. And guess what, PAYPAL DOES NOT CARE ABOUT AN EXCHANGE OR REFUND. maybe it had something to do with him sending in this complete BS story to paypal, they are thinking I am just trying to get another psp from him and he did nothing wrong here.

That's wrong.  As many people have pointed out, if you had proof that you shipped it back, PayPal would almost certainly refund your money.  At that point, you were not in possession of the PSP you paid for.

Also, you really are acting like a royal jackass.  If you're acting at all like this to PayPal, I'm not surprised they're being unresponsive.

[SNAAKE]

YOU are wrong. paypal doesnt "UNDERSTAND" the situation. they took care of the matter according to the little story OC sent them which is 100% BS. If I sent the psp back then they would still give me the exact same crap they are giving me now. read their damn policy before acting up. they dont care about an exchange and ONLY way this would have worked is if OC accepted my dispuite and agreed for an exchange through paypal instead of writing some BS story so he doesnt have to exchange the psp. sure he said he would exchange the psp here but I couldnt trust him after all the lies and dishonesty, it had to be THROUGH paypal.

HOW DO I KNOW HE WAS GONNA SEND ME THE 1.5 PSP ?? he already lied about everything and no one here will back up him about being an honest seller. he doesnt have a single positive feedback or somesort here(taking a guess of course). you can ask me the same question but I did business with countless # of people around here without any problems.

I wont even bother explaining anymore..lot of you dont have common sense.

[shardian]

The problem is you are dealing with a most likely honest, yet maybe not the most competent seller. If you wouldn't have flown off the handle, maybe things would have worked out better for you. I am currently dealing with a damaged product dispute with a guy from ebay. I never dragged it out in public, I presented my case to the guy, and have even offered to pay return shipping. He is quite willing to work with me. Just because you are the buyer, you are not entitled to be a total dick to the seller. Remember that young grasshopper.

Now, will somepne please lock up this thread??

[SNAAKE]

but you are taking a guess. to me, he is NOT honest about anything. so far he lied about everything.

lets skip the the wrong version psp for once but whats up with the torn earbuds that only has the left side ?? honest selller would have mentioned this before accepting the payment. you cant just sell damaged goods as "in good condition". broken ear piece with only left is NOT "in good condition".

something to think about eh

[escher]

lets skip the the wrong version psp for once but whats up with the torn earbuds that only has the left side ?? honest selller would have mentioned this before accepting the payment. you cant just sell damaged goods as "in good condition". broken ear piece with only left is NOT "in good condition".

Or maybe he didn't use them and didn't notice.  As the saying goes, "Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."  In this case, I'd call it inattentiveness and/or incomptence instead of stupidity, but it still fits.

Your attitude is completely overboard and inappropriate.  In situations like this, tact, humility, and patience go much further than yelling, name-calling, and attempts at public humiliation/ridicule.

[Havoc]

Your attitude is completely overboard and inappropriate.  In situations like this, tact, humility, and patience go much further than yelling, name-calling, and attempts at public humiliation/ridicule.

Agreed, catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.  I think if OC was a true scammer you wouldnt either have a product or if you did you would never hear from them again.

Is there soemthing I am missing with the earbuds? Does sony offer some special type or are these the same one you can pick up for $4.99 at best buy? To me that would be a non-issue conisdering you have a almost new device which would have cost a substantial amount more if bought through a store.

[shardian]

Ok, lets get onto the more important questions to try and fix this. Here goes:

How much was the free shipping?
Does it fit in your basement?
Doez it haves all the rommzors?

Post hell, here we come. At least I hope. There is no longer any productive use coming out of this thread. Please banish it.

You have a mint condition PSP with a 1 gig memory card. Sell it to some uneducated schmuck in your neighborhood for $250. DAG GONE, you can stand to make a profit on this bad experience! The guy did you a favor!!!

[ChadTower]

What is the difference between a 1.5 and a 2.6?  The ability to pirate games? 

Who the hell is going to feel bad about that?

The reasonable solutions are on the table.  Snaake needs to use one of them or STFU.  Stop acting like you got ripped off because you can't use this PSP yet to play a brazillian r0mz0rs.

[Stingray]

What is the difference between a 1.5 and a 2.6?  The ability to pirate games? 

That's the only reason I know of to even care what version your PSP is.

Although I'm sure the words "homebrew" and "emulators" will also be thrown around, everyone knows what this is really all about.

-S

[Harry Potter]

SNAAACK, you are being very unreasonable.

I had a transaction on ebay go wrong a long time ago. I bought an SNES game at a considerable price and it turned out to be a bootleg.

My first reaction wa to lose it at the seller (which I did and regreted later). The guy was cool about it, asked me to send the game back (which I did) for which he gave me a refund. Now this a a bloke I NEVER had contact with on any forums and he did the right thing by me.

Be more trusting of the members here. The chances of another Harpal showing u is VERY slim.

I'm sure if you didn't have your little hissy-fit, oceancube would have settled the matters and you could have been GameZ0ring on your PSP 1.5 in no time.

This is YOUR fault 99% and I wouldn't be surprised is the Almighty Holy One (A.H.O.le for short. Wink Wink Saint  ) will send you back to ban hell for stiring up trouble.

Rot in 2.6 hell. 

[SNAAKE]

I am gonna start selling computers around here, I will sell them as 5ghz computers but I will send a 100mhz that doesnt run "019230912 illeggallzz romzxzorss" then I will just tell you things you like "you never ask about what kind of computer it was even though my thread says its a 5ghz" and "you were buying the 5hz computer to play illegal roms anyway and I cant let that happend so I MUST rip you off"

you guys sound THAT stupid when you bring up piracy here or even try to make it look like its my fault


no one's sending me to ban hell either. Only should be banned is oceancube for false advertizing and sending me a wrong version of psp + broken earbuds. These are not mistakes, its called RIPPING PEOPLE OFF.

[ChadTower]

Not at all but you clearly don't get the concept, the point, or reality here.

The only difference between those two PSPs is the bios.  So why would that matter?  What does 1.5 allow that 2.6 does not?  Connecting these dots ain't that hard.

[Stingray]

I am gonna start selling computers around here, I will sell them as 5ghz computers but I will send a 100mhz

Not even close to the same thing, and you're well aware of that. A 5ghz computer isn't anything even close to a 100 mhz computer. A 1.5 and 2.6 PSP are essentially the same thing. As a matter of fact, a 2.6 will run more legitimately purchased games than a 1.5 will. You got a newer version than you expected. Oceancube may or may not have made a legitimate mistake, but you never gave him a chance to make it right.

For whatever it's worth I have a 1.5 PSP and it's a 1.5 for the same reason that you want a 1.5. I'm not trying to be holier than thou, I'm just trying to point out that your people skills suck.

-S

[Harry Potter]

Call it a hunch but SN333KE sin't going to listen to reason.

Whatever chance he had to straighten out this mis-understanding is long gone and it ain't coming back.

[shardian]

Ok Saint, please just tell us what we have to post here to get this sent to post hell.

This is way past the point of being relevant to the bst forum.

[ChadTower]

Just post a lemonparty.  That will do it. 

[2PacMan]

As someone stated earlier, if you buy a defective product from a local retailer, you return the product, then you get the refund.  You don't come in, have the store give you money, then go home and get the product.  I work retail, and we get people like this sometimes.  "You guys sold me a broken DVD player, i live 20 miles away, you guys need to come get it, i'm not coming back to the store blah, blah"  Just ridiculous.  Sellers will be glad to help out a disgruntled buyer, but sometimes buyers just act unreasonable.  

One point that i see yet to have mentioned, is how can OC trust SNAAAKE.  If he would have sent him the 1.5 PSP, who's to say SNAAAKE wouldn't have just kept them both?  I know he wouldn't have, just like I know OC wouldn't have kept both, but I can definately see OC's side in this.   I sure wouldn't have sent the guy 2 PSPs w/o getting the first one back.  The only thing OC should have done was offer to cover the return shipping, since it was his initial mess up, that's it.   Of course i certainly wouldn't do it now after this behavior.

[dek]

no one's sending me to ban hell either.

Wow, you became a mod as well, sweet!

[pointdablame]

no one's sending me to ban hell either.

Wow, you became a mod as well, sweet!

and its even funnier coming from someone who's already been banned once.

[Harry Potter]

ban him again just so he has to re-register with one less A in his username. 

[missioncontrol]

ban the whole forum... that'll teach em allright......

[saint]

*Please* find your caps-lock button. It's under the tab key on the left.

OKAY SNAKE PLS STOP THIS ALREADY , I ANSWERED ALL 3 PM'S, NOW IM IGNORING YOUR PM'S, YOUR STARTING A REALLY BAD REPUTATION FOR ME OR AT LEAST TRYING TO. I ALREADY PM'ED YOU LIKE 5 TIMES TONIGHT ALONE, ENOUGH PLS STOP THIS,AND NOW I SHOULD BE BANNED. MAN YOUR REALLY A CRUEL PERSON.... IM DONE WITH YOUR POSTS, I THINK YOU ENJOY TRYING TO PUSH A BUTTON, BUT I WILL NOT LET YOU, I WILL JUST IGNORE ALL YOUR POST TOPICS FROM NOW ON!!!

[Harry Potter]

OK I FOUND IT. NOW WHAT?

[divemaster127]

I saw Saint had made a reply & I was like "aw crap" I figured post hell, I have been hitting refresh all morning, I guess I really should get back to work

[Harry Potter]

I guess I really should get back to work

Blasphemer.

[pointdablame]

*Please* find your caps-lock button. It's under the tab key on the left.

OKAY SNAKE PLS STOP THIS ALREADY , I ANSWERED ALL 3 PM'S, NOW IM IGNORING YOUR PM'S, YOUR STARTING A REALLY BAD REPUTATION FOR ME OR AT LEAST TRYING TO. I ALREADY PM'ED YOU LIKE 5 TIMES TONIGHT ALONE, ENOUGH PLS STOP THIS,AND NOW I SHOULD BE BANNED. MAN YOUR REALLY A CRUEL PERSON.... IM DONE WITH YOUR POSTS, I THINK YOU ENJOY TRYING TO PUSH A BUTTON, BUT I WILL NOT LET YOU, I WILL JUST IGNORE ALL YOUR POST TOPICS FROM NOW ON!!!

 

[saint]

Now, get some vaseline . . . 

OK I FOUND IT. NOW WHAT?

[saint]

Reading this thread this time I lost 20 IQ points, started bleeding out of my eyes, and developed a twitch. No more threads on this subject please - thanks!