wiring question

[squirrellydw]

well I am finally at the point where I can start wiring up my cocktail table.  I don't have the PC or my iPac yet but everything else will be here in a couple days.  I have two pacman/galaga reunion sticks, two P360s and electric ice buttons with an LEDWIZ.  My question is how do I wire this all up?  What is the easiest way?  I will be looking over the Project Arcade Book but I know it doesn't cover the Electric Ice buttons.  I was going to use 22 gauge wire for everything. 

Any suggestions, help and comments would be much appreciated.

Thanks

I will also have a 3rd control panel with two more P360s, Electric Ice Trackball and an Apache Spinner but I don't have the panel built yet

[Timoe]

the 22ga wire will work for all your needs.

Wire up the leds first and try and keep the wires tidy and close to the wood.

Wire up all your switches on a top layer above your led wires

[squirrellydw]

thanks, any other tips or suggestions?  Do the electric ice buttons come with any instructions on how to hook them up?  I guess the P360 is the hardest to hook up since it needs power, where should I get that from.  The  buttons and reunion sticks just get wired directly to the IPac right?

[squirrellydw]

I plan on starting the wiring Saturday.

[JONTHEBOMB]

Do the electric ice buttons come with any instructions on how to hook them up?

The electric ice buttons don't come with any instructions, but you just hook them up like any other button.  You will have two wires going to each button.  One wire will go to NO (normally open) on the microswitch.  The second wire will go to COM (common ground) on the microswitch.  You will also want to daisy chain your grounds together.  Since you have the Project Arcade book you can find more information on this topic by going to pages 66-67 and page 174

I guess the P360 is the hardest to hook up since it needs power, where should I get that from.

I got my power from the power supply.  More information can be found in the Project Arcade book on pages 175-177.

The  buttons and reunion sticks just get wired directly to the IPac right?

Yes, the buttons and reunion sticks are wired to the Ipac.

[BamBam]

If you have two joysticks for eacjh player ie. one 4-way and one 8-way each, you should run the up wire from joystick to the up on the other joystick and then back to the P1 Up on the iPac.  Follow the same procedure for all of the other directions (Down, left, Right).
Hope this helps.

John

P.S. make sure to run your ground wire from on device (COM) to the next and continue around your control panel and back to the ground on your iPac.
Once you get started, you will find it is straight forward.  Just make sure you wire the hot side (P1 Up etc. to the "NO" spade on your joystick.  This just means that the circuit is Normally Open.  If you wire the hot side to "NC" Normally Closed" the program will see that switch as continuously active.

[squirrellydw]

OK let me see if I understand this.  I am building a 3 sided cocktail table.  The two ends will each have two joysticks (P360 and a reunion) and four buttons.  I should wire them like you said above.  One wire going from the reunion, than to the P360 then to the IPAC player 1.  Do this each for up, down, left and right.  Then do the same thing on the other CP for player 2.  The third CP will have two P360 a trackball and a spinner.  I was going to wire those P360 to player 3 and 4.  I guess this means I should have player 3 and 4 buttons also right?

I was going to use four differnet color wires, black for common, red for open, green for ground and blue for the LEDS.  Does that sound OK?

You said you get the power from the power supply.  Does it matter what plug you tap it off of?  I thought they were all 12v and the P360 was 5v, am I wrong?

Thanks

[MYX]

Off the PC power supply, red = +5v, Yellow = +12v, and black = ground.

Remember to keep an eye on you collective amperage with your LEDs for the GGG ice. they are 20ma each. 20 x 32 = 640 ma meaning that you are 140 over the recomended limit for the LEDWiz, you will need a second +5v tap off of the PC PS.
Also, make sure you do a little testing with the LEDs as you go. you do not have to do a solid wired test, but hook up a section at a time to make sure you did not get any wired backwards. They WILL NOT work if they are wired backwards. Also make sure you have a resistor in line with the LEDs or you will kill them. Go to the GGG website on the LEDWiz page and download the LEDWiz PDF. It is very straight forward. Make sure to note the lengths of the LED leads. This will clue you in to the anode / cathode side.

[squirrellydw]

Off the PC power supply, red = +5v, Yellow = +12v, and black = ground.

Remember to keep an eye on you collective amperage with your LEDs for the GGG ice. they are 20ma each. 20 x 32 = 640 ma meaning that you are 140 over the recomended limit for the LEDWiz, you will need a second +5v tap off of the PC PS.
Also, make sure you do a little testing with the LEDs as you go. you do not have to do a solid wired test, but hook up a section at a time to make sure you did not get any wired backwards. They WILL NOT work if they are wired backwards. Also make sure you have a resistor in line with the LEDs or you will kill them. Go to the GGG website on the LEDWiz page and download the LEDWiz PDF. It is very straight forward. Make sure to note the lengths of the LED leads. This will clue you in to the anode / cathode side.

WOW, thats sounds confusing. 
As for the resistor, anode and cathode I have no clue.  I will look at it and see if I understand.

Thanks

[squirrellydw]

Do I need 3 wires going to each switch?  Its looks like there is one "COM" and two "NO", do I need to attach a wire to both "NO"??

[JONTHEBOMB]

Do I need 3 wires going to each switch?  Its looks like there is one "COM" and two "NO", do I need to attach a wire to both "NO"??

Are you using cherry microswitches?
For cherry microswitches COM has a 1 near it, NC has a 2 near it, and NO has a 3 near it.  You only need two wires going to each switch.  Attach the ground wire to the COM and the other wire to the NO.

[squirrellydw]

Off the PC power supply, red = +5v, Yellow = +12v, and black = ground.

Also make sure you have a resistor in line with the LEDs or you will kill them. Go to the GGG website on the LEDWiz page and download the LEDWiz PDF. It is very straight forward. Make sure to note the lengths of the LED leads. This will clue you in to the anode / cathode side.

I will only have 24 Ice buttons.  So that is 480, so I should be OK correct?  Oh....... plus the Electric Ice Trackball. 

If I am using the RGB Drive I shouldn't have to worry with this correct?  I should just connect them to the LED WIZ.

Do I need 3 wires going to each switch?  Its looks like there is one "COM" and two "NO", do I need to attach a wire to both "NO"??

Are you using cherry microswitches?
For cherry microswitches COM has a 1 near it, NC has a 2 near it, and NO has a 3 near it.  You only need two wires going to each switch.  Attach the ground wire to the COM and the other wire to the NO.

Ok I understand this part now, I thought the "NC" said "NO".

Thanks

[squirrellydw]

Last question I hope.

I am using the RGB Drive and they seem to have 4 wires, how do I wire these up to the LEDWIZ?  Does one wire go to ground and the other three go to 1, 2, 3 on the LEDWIZ?  If so, how do I know what wire goes where and if I have 24 of them I guess I need two more LEDWIZs right?  I guess I would run all the grounds together and then connect one to the LEDWIZ ground. 

Should I use any EURO terminals?

[squirrellydw]

Should I wire ALL my grounds together?  As in going from one joystick to the next and all the buttons?  I have six joysticks, 2 Reunions and 4 P360s and about 30 buttons.  So I would go from the ground on the IPAC to the first switch, then to the next switch, etc and then back to the ground on the IPAC, right?


Thanks

[squirrellydw]

Can anyone answer my last two questions, the above two posts?

Thanks

[CheffoJeffo]

Should I wire ALL my grounds together?  As in going from one joystick to the next and all the buttons?  I have six joysticks, 2 Reunions and 4 P360s and about 30 buttons.  So I would go from the ground on the IPAC to the first switch, then to the next switch, etc and then back to the ground on the IPAC, right?
Thanks

That is how I do my panels (start at ground on the IPac, daisychaining the switch grounds and ending at the ground on the IPac), except for my 3-sided cocktail, where I did this for each panel individually.

Cheers.

[squirrellydw]

Should I wire ALL my grounds together?  As in going from one joystick to the next and all the buttons?  I have six joysticks, 2 Reunions and 4 P360s and about 30 buttons.  So I would go from the ground on the IPAC to the first switch, then to the next switch, etc and then back to the ground on the IPAC, right?
Thanks

That is how I do my panels (start at ground on the IPac, daisychaining the switch grounds and ending at the ground on the IPac), except for my 3-sided cocktail, where I did this for each panel individually.

Cheers.

So on your cocktail, do you have a total of 6 wire going to the ground on the IPAC or did you use a euro connector and have all the grounds going to that and then 1 wire going to the IPAC?

[CheffoJeffo]

So on your cocktail, do you have a total of 6 wire going to the ground on the IPAC or did you use a euro connector and have all the grounds going to that and then 1 wire going to the IPAC?

Well, it was my first cabinet and the wiring is a bit of a disaster, so not the best example, BUT ... I actually ran the four (I forgot about the coin door and start buttons which are on the front of my cocktail, sonot wired with the CPs)  "left side" grounds to a connector, then to one of the grounds on the IPac. Same thing with the "right side".

Did that make sense ?

Cheers.

[squirrellydw]

I think I understand......I think I am going to wire each CP separately and use a euro connector to attach the ground and run one wire from that to the IPAC.