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eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« on: August 04, 2006, 08:37:07 am »
Hey all,
I decided that because I am trying to fix more machines lately and many problems exist on the boards, I would go ahead and buy an oscilloscope. I have been watching eBay for several weeks now and last night found one that looked pretty good. I had been asking all sorts of questions to so many people about the condition of many pieces so they were all starting to run together.

The ad said the unit powers on. We have probes so we can not test. Being sold as is. Bid with confidence as my ratings are high. Lower in the ad it says that there is a 3 day return policy so again bid with confidence. I did.

After the auction was over I started reading up on where to send the $ as they would NOT take paypal due to fraud. I read closer and noticed how the description said the unit powers on. I looked at the picture again, the power light was on but there were no traces on the field. I started to feel sick. Then the other wording started to sink in. 3 day return policy to protect against DOA unless marked as is. Bid with confidence.

Oh snap. Why would you even put that wording in the ad. If there is no return policy, then there is no return policy, so don't even say it. I feel like I just bid on a dud. I e-mailed him with nearly the same letter that I have written. I asked so, does the thing really work or not. Are there traces on the scope? His reply, it powers on. I sent another email and asked if he could see traces on the scope. He said that his tech got it to power up and then it was given to him to sell. He actually knew nothing about the scope.

---meadow muffin---! So, my question is this. I have spent a great deal of time and energy to be a good buyer / seller, and have a 100% rating all my reviews were stellar and I am sitting with the high probability of a DOA scope. I am not made of money and am leaning towards cutting the ties on this one. I do not want to screw up my ratings. What do I do?
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2006, 08:39:22 am »
Is your Ebay credibiltiy and rating worth the money that you could possibly lose if you pay for this and it doesn't work?

Tough decision but thats how I would look at it.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2006, 08:42:05 am »
I agree, but I do not have the money to blow on a dud though.  :banghead:

The whole thing when looking back on the thing, is that it seems like he was being deceptive. I mean if the thing does not work, then just say so. People still buy those things for parts and actually sometimes they pay good money for parts. I just feel misled and I think that is the other reason that I am holding back. I have never even tried to back out of an auction. Even when I had huge buyers remorse about something, I still bought it because I clicked "Bid". But I have never felt this misled as what the actual condition and situation were.
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2006, 09:32:05 am »
Most of the time untested means "broken" on e-bay. If you don't have the money, then I wouldn't buy it. You know though, with the misleading description he will probably give you a negative feedback. If this really bothers you, perhaps you can buy it an re-list it to recoup your money and keep your feedback score...

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2006, 09:35:19 am »
heres what you do, just email & state for whatever reason i cannot complete the transaction, can I pay for your ebay fees & what you feel is a reasonable sum for your trouble, plus neither of you has left feedback either so that gives each of you something to lean on...
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2006, 09:43:12 am »
heres what you do, just email & state for whatever reason i cannot complete the transaction, can I pay for your ebay fees & what you feel is a reasonable sum for your trouble, plus neither of you has left feedback either so that gives each of you something to lean on...
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I agree.

Furthermore, check the ads more carefully next time. I've had the same type issue and thankfylly we were able to peacefully split ways. I learned my lesson and now I'm very sure to read everything. I wouldn't get hung up on that 100% rating. A low rating would be back for sure, but if your a seller, you won't be able to make everyone happy.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2006, 10:01:49 am »
heres what you do, just email & state for whatever reason i cannot complete the transaction, can I pay for your ebay fees & what you feel is a reasonable sum for your trouble, plus neither of you has left feedback either so that gives each of you something to lean on...
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This is the way to go.  I am not seeing where you where misled as you had the same info as you do now, sounds more like second thoughts.  You may "feel" mislead but you are going to inconvienence him as a result, if you would have not bid or followed through he would have his sold item instead of now needing to recope his ebay fees and selling the item again, and unfortunately offering it to the next highest bidder rarely works as they usually assume that the nonpaying high bid was a shill or they lost interest.
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2006, 10:04:16 am »
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2006, 10:42:52 am »
This is the way to go.  I am not seeing where you where misled as you had the same info as you do now, sounds more like second thoughts.  You may "feel" mislead but you are going to inconvienence him as a result, if you would have not bid or followed through he would have his sold item instead of now needing to recope his ebay fees and selling the item again, and unfortunately offering it to the next highest bidder rarely works as they usually assume that the nonpaying high bid was a shill or they lost interest.

I disagree.  Much of the description practices used on eBay are designed to mislead.  Like MYX says, either there is a DOA guarantee or there is not.  If there is no guarantee, then do not place language concerning one in the listing at all.  Just say what the deal is: "Red light on the front, no screen activity, no guarantee".  Yeah, right!

If the seller can't be bothered to accurately describe simple and important aspects of the item they are selling or their expectations for the transaction in a non-intentionally-confusing way, then screw 'em.  If he had sold it to someone else, there's a very good possibility that the same thing would have occurred with that other unfortunate person. 

There are too many dirtbags on eBay who don't even deliver what they promise when the description is clearly worded.  The only way to clean up these kinds of practices is to not allow them to work.  Furthermore, anyone who thinks these kind of practices are OK, are probably guilty of perpetrating something similar themselves.

Save your money, the rating isn't worth anything as a buyer.  He has more to lose should you wish to retaliate.

Just my opinion....(err....rant?)

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2006, 11:26:35 am »
You can tell the seller your situation and then you both can agree to retract the auction win based on a misunderstanding. He gets to relist his auction free of charge, and you both get to leave each other positive feedback. It's a win-win situation.

I had to do this when I bid on what I thought was a IPAC-4, when it was actually an IPAC 2. It was really my fault. I assumed it was a 4 because of the auction price. Has anyone else ever notice the ipac's emucade sells that go for $20 over retail on a regular basis?? He was cool though and did what I described above. I originally offered to pay his relisting fee's, but this was the option he told me about

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2006, 11:45:11 am »
This is the way to go.  I am not seeing where you where misled as you had the same info as you do now, sounds more like second thoughts.  You may "feel" mislead but you are going to inconvienence him as a result, if you would have not bid or followed through he would have his sold item instead of now needing to recope his ebay fees and selling the item again, and unfortunately offering it to the next highest bidder rarely works as they usually assume that the nonpaying high bid was a shill or they lost interest.

I disagree.  Much of the description practices used on eBay are designed to mislead.  Like MYX says, either there is a DOA guarantee or there is not.  If there is no guarantee, then do not place language concerning one in the listing at all.  Just say what the deal is: "Red light on the front, no screen activity, no guarantee".  Yeah, right!

If the seller can't be bothered to accurately describe simple and important aspects of the item they are selling or their expectations for the transaction in a non-intentionally-confusing way, then screw 'em.  If he had sold it to someone else, there's a very good possibility that the same thing would have occurred with that other unfortunate person. 

There are too many dirtbags on eBay who don't even deliver what they promise when the description is clearly worded.  The only way to clean up these kinds of practices is to not allow them to work.  Furthermore, anyone who thinks these kind of practices are OK, are probably guilty of perpetrating something similar themselves.

Save your money, the rating isn't worth anything as a buyer.  He has more to lose should you wish to retaliate.

Just my opinion....(err....rant?)

RandyT

I am not disagreeing about the tactics, I am just saying that it seems all the information was available when he bid, if it seems misleading now it should have seemed misleading originally.  I am not privy to the intent of the seller, but if someone thinks the intent of the seller is to mislead one should avoid the auction and not bid.

Lesson is to read auctions carefully, ask all questions prior to auction ending, and only bid on what you want to win.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2006, 11:47:58 am »
You might want to check out this DIY oscilloscope:

http://www.mindbend.ro/eoscope/eoscope_en.htm

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2006, 12:12:34 pm »
I am not disagreeing about the tactics, I am just saying that it seems all the information was available when he bid, if it seems misleading now it should have seemed misleading originally.  I am not privy to the intent of the seller, but if someone thinks the intent of the seller is to mislead one should avoid the auction and not bid.

Lesson is to read auctions carefully, ask all questions prior to auction ending, and only bid on what you want to win.

Sometimes the "fine print" gets by even  the best.  That's why there are laws against the use of it (at least in the US.)  There is no-one here who can say that they haven't seen something different the second or third time they read something and swore it wasn't there the first two times.

That simple fact is that humans are prone to error and if something is done to intentionally exacerbate this trait we all possess, as it is so often on eBay, I say offer nothing for the seller's "trouble".  It's trouble they created by "setting the trap" in the first place.

So I guess I'm saying to read the auctions carefully as well.  But if you do inadvertently fall prey to a poorly worded, or intentionally misleading listing, I would not hesitate to let the seller know just why the listing is misleading and that I would, under no uncertain terms, be rewarding him for his practices.

You have to understand that of the last 5 auctions I have won on eBay, only 1 of them came as described.  And these were from people with good feedback.  This says 2 things to me.  The feedback system is "flawed".  And these practices are rampant on eBay because of it.  The only reason I still use it at all is that specialized manufacturing equipment  can often be had for dimes on the dollar and are still a good deal, even if I need to fix them myself.  Most of the sellers of these items seem to be more reputable, so thankfully I could see what I was getting into.  It's the "fleamarketers" you need to be careful of.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2006, 12:24:04 pm »
heres what you do, just email & state for whatever reason i cannot complete the transaction, can I pay for your ebay fees & what you feel is a reasonable sum for your trouble, plus neither of you has left feedback either so that gives each of you something to lean on...
dm

I've done this myself I believe twice. It's the way to go in this situation. I know everyone hates Paypal, but they have not only protected me, but when I bought a car part and the warranty they offer, they refunded me the entire amount when I recieved it defective. I don't trust anyone that doesn't use it. AS for my situations, the seller was really understanding once I sent him the few bucks for the listing fee. It was worth it to me.

That being said I try my best to never use eBay. It's like you're just asking to be robbed there.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2006, 12:24:39 pm »
I am not disagreeing about the tactics, I am just saying that it seems all the information was available when he bid, if it seems misleading now it should have seemed misleading originally.  I am not privy to the intent of the seller, but if someone thinks the intent of the seller is to mislead one should avoid the auction and not bid.

Lesson is to read auctions carefully, ask all questions prior to auction ending, and only bid on what you want to win.

Sometimes the "fine print" gets by even  the best.  That's why there are laws against the use of it (at least in the US.)  There is no-one here who can say that they haven't seen something different the second or third time they read something and swore it wasn't there the first two times.

That simple fact is that humans are prone to error and if something is done to intentionally exacerbate this trait we all possess, as it is so often on eBay, I say offer nothing for the seller's "trouble".  It's trouble they created by "setting the trap" in the first place.

So I guess I'm saying to read the auctions carefully as well.  But if you do inadvertently fall prey to a poorly worded, or intentionally misleading listing, I would not hesitate to let the seller know just why the listing is misleading and that I would, under no uncertain terms, be rewarding him for his practices.

You have to understand that of the last 5 auctions I have won on eBay, only 1 of them came as described.  And these were from people with good feedback.  This says 2 things to me.  The feedback system is "flawed".  And these practices are rampant on eBay because of it.  The only reason I still use it at all is that specialized manufacturing equipment  can often be had for dimes on the dollar and are still a good deal, even if I need to fix them myself.  Most of the sellers of these items seem to be more reputable, so thankfully I could see what I was getting into.  It's the "fleamarketers" you need to be careful of.

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I guess it would help to see the auction and how it was stated as I am only going by what MYX is stating.  I'm also not familiar with the item he purchased either so I don't know if they are easy to test and such. 

My personal experience have been good in buying untested items on ebay, though I try and do as much research in the seller as well as reading and asking all I can.  But I do avoid any such auction where the risk appears to out weigh the possible savings and rewards.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2006, 01:09:19 pm »
If you seriously feel they are scamming you after getting the product and testing it out then send it back DOA.  Just make sure that it is DOA.  I would have no problems taking advantage of someone that was trying to take advantage of me.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2006, 05:55:47 pm »
If you seriously feel they are scamming you after getting the product and testing it out then send it back DOA.  Just make sure that it is DOA.  I would have no problems taking advantage of someone that was trying to take advantage of me.

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They sold it as-is.  That's a powerful term in the retail world.

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The feedback system is "flawed". 

It is.  You can do everything in your power, and describe something perfectly, and be given negative feedback, and not be able to do a thing about it.  Or you can bid on something, have it arrived NOT as described, but you can't give the seller negative feedback, because they hold back to make sure you do the same first.  Some aren't like this, but many are.  (I hold back as a seller, to make sure the buyer read the auction correctly, as you'll see below.)

I sold a Game n Watch awhile back.  Found it after 10 years at my parents.  I described it as working with 2 new batteries (opened to test the unit.)  Seeing as how I had no idea of what was supposed to be with this, this is what my description said.  I provided a pic of the front of the unit.  (Not the back as well, which could have saved me some headache.)

Well, some --cream-filled twinkie-- in Sweden won it.  After he received it, he left me a negative feedback, saying:
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Wrongfully declared product with lots of deficiancies (no serial number etc.)
My description never made any mention of these deficiencies.  I KNOW what this ---meecrob--- did.  He confused my auction with someone else's.  (He bought a bunch of these things in a small time frame.)  When he received it, he realized he made that mistake, and felt like it was my fault somehow, or was a complete retard, and didn't realize he ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up, not me.  Either way, he decided to screw my perfect rating over, even though he was wrong, and I was right.

I petitioned ebay multiple times, even while the listing was still in their database to review this and remove my feedback.  And of course, their policy is (paraphrased) "if we don't contact you or do anything, that means we decided against you."  Hell, more like "we ignored you, and will continue to do so unless you provide that court order to remove the feedback, because we otherwise don't give a flying ---fudgesicle--- no matter HOW right you are."

My feedback:  72+ total, 1-  (67 overall-some transactions with the same people.)

And no, I can't do mutual withdrawal.  He left ebay shortly afterwards.

Onto my other story.  A few years ago, I wanted to finally get FFX-2.  I'll make this short as possible.  Found an auction.  Wording was VERY shady, as I would find out.  Guy said he sold things that were received as overstock, or damaged goods.  He provided a picture, (stock photo though.)  I pay, then later get the game.
Only problem is the case appeared to have been melted/near a fire.  A large portion of the sleeve was gone, and a large portion of the artwork under it gone/destroyed.  Needless to say, I was mad.  You would figure they would disclose the condition of each item IF IT WAS DAMAGED.  But no, he thinks by having some fine print about how he obtains his goods in his auction covers his ass.  Nowhere does he mention the actual condition of each item.  As such, I thought it was safe to assume this particular item was overstock or whatever, and was in new condition.

His whole bit was "no other customers complain when I send them saws and stuff."  My whole argument was "Neither would I if it's a box for a saw or whatever, but games are a different class.  Many people care about the condition of the packaging."

We argued for a few days, then he took it back, LIKE HE DAMN WELL SHOULD HAVE.  Along the way, while I was arguing (respectfully I might add) I suggested a few times that he needed to disclose conditions of items if they're damaged.  He seemed irked each time I did, and said he didn't have the time to do such a thing.

What a dick.  Moral?  Beware of stock photos and people saying they get their goods because they're damaged. (usually among other reasons, like overstock from somewhere else.)
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2006, 06:03:59 pm »
So MYX, if you have to, take the negative feedback, and be sure to provide a followup comment explaining the situation.  It generally won't hurt you.  You'll get one at some time or another.  Just get that initial one out of the way now if you have to.  It'll pick at your brain for awhile, but you'll get over it eventually.

And make sure you don't do what I did.  I thought I could edit my followup comment, and put "currently discussing issues" in it initially.  Well, you can't edit it, or add on to it, and obviously, years later, we're not discussing anything.  Fact is, the Swedish dickwipe didn't even bother to contact me AT ALL after receiving it.  Not even to complain after receiving it.  (Because I think he knew HE ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up.)  Even after emailing him many times, never got written back.
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2006, 06:22:21 pm »
Oh there's also the fact that power sellers can pay eBay to remove negative feedback...


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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2006, 01:35:53 am »
Oh there's also the fact that power sellers can pay eBay to remove negative feedback...
Holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, we can? I never knew that.
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2006, 09:14:23 pm »
The original ad read...

Up For Auction Is This Tektronix 2336 - 100MHz, 2-Channel Oscilloscope. This Unit Is In Great Physical  Condition,  And Unit Powers On. I Can't Fully Test The Unit, So I Will Have To Sell The Unit AS IS.  Please Bid With Confidence, I Have Excellent Feedback. The Unit Comes With The Power Cord (No Probes).

Due To The Ongoing Fraud That Is Taking Place With My Paypal Account, I Will No Longer Accept Paypal As A Form Of Payment. Please Read Below, For The Method Of Payments I Do Accept.


THE NEXT Paragraph says...

RETURN POLICY:
I Offer 3 Day Warranty After Being Received on all of my products (unless stated otherwise Like AS IS Auctions). This Will Protect You From DOA Products. I believe that any problems that might occur can and will be resolved to full customers satisfaction. Please Contact me Within 3 Days Of Being Received If you are not satisfied with your product in any way. I will be happy to fix the problem or take it back and refund your money within 3 days Of  Receiving Your Product.

FEEDBACK POLICY:
Your Feedback Is Very Important To Me, And It Lets Potential Bidders Get An Idea Of What Kind Of Seller I Am. So Please Leave Your Feedback As Soon As You Receive The Merchandise And Are Satisfied With Your Purchase.


Ok, so like I said, I e-mailed him. You already read his responses. I have been e-mailing him since then and still have no reply at ALL. I have gone as far as asking him (several times) to call my cell. I gave my cell # in EVERY email because a 10 minute conversation would be a heck of a lot easier than a 6 day drawn out misery. To add insult to injury, I got an invoice from him tonight. It had a little comment...If you have any questions, please e-mail me.

He only has 67 sales. 2 Negitaves and 1 neutral. (Negatives and neutral  for nearly the same issue)
I will e-mail 1 more time tomorrow letting him know I will not be sending any money. I will suggest that we both part ways peacfully or he will have 3 negatives within a 1 year period, or he can be nice and we will both have un commented positives. I do not usually take the a$$hole stance, but. This is silly.
i checked out many of his other auctions and he puts up a stock photo of the item being sold. Man, you have no idea what you are buying from him.
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2006, 05:37:49 pm »
I would have sided with the seller up until this sentence:
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i checked out many of his other auctions and he puts up a stock photo of the item being sold.

Putting up a stock photo of an AS-IS item shouldn't be allowed.  Otherwise, I would have to fault you, MYX, (I'll put it bluntly,) for not paying attention.  Everyone buying something should know the terms AS-IS and the conditions that are meant by it.  I've yet to see an AS-IS sale that allowed exchanges/refunds.  (Would kind of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it?)  Not attacking you personally.  Your brain probably read only the parts it wanted to read, eh? :-\

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I Can't Fully Test The Unit, So I Will Have To Sell The Unit AS IS

If you ever see these phrases together, and the seller has no ability to know whether the unit EVER worked (and this one admitted he only knows it powers on, and that's it,) it's potential bad news.  Some sellers will claim that the last time (months or whatever ago) they used an item, it worked, and now they have no way to test it (like a game and system.  You sell one, keep the other, then decide to sell the other down the road.  The last time you used it, it worked, so it still should.  These instances can be trusted to an extent.)

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I will suggest that we both part ways peacfully or he will have 3 negatives within a 1 year period, or he can be nice and we will both have un commented positives.

Careful with your choice of words when you compile that email.  If you try to blackmail him, he may call you out.

There's always the option of just letting it be.  No feedback for either of you whatsoever. 
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2006, 08:11:36 pm »
I am sure I will get creamed. I am not looking for a fight, I just wanted a dagum scope to work with. I am a little concerned with the fact that the only reply I have had since Friday, is an invoice.  :P
Today I bid (and paid) for a different scope. It cost a bit more but it CLEARLY said that is worked with pix to match and an actual 7 day DOA return with no strings.

Here is what I e-mailed...

Due to your lack of response, I have chosen to not buy this item. I would like to see this end nicely for both of us.

I feel that the ad was misleading. You say the item powers on, this is not the same is the unit is working. If the screen doesn not work, then say so. I feel that the wording was mysterious and you can not confirm nor deny that the screen does or does not work. Also, you deal in a lot of very similar equipment. This means that you do have some knowledge of the products. If it does not work, sell it as parts. People do buy parts, some pay good money for parts. I have been doing a lot of reading on these and other oscilloscopes and have talked to many people offering the scopes. The ones peole have been very up front about the true condition about the item. I can not get the answer from you. You say please bid with confidence. I did, but with the lack of comunication and lack of detail I no longer have any confidence with this purchase.

You should not put any mention of a 3 day return policy of you are not actually offering it. Most people (like myself) do not have the time to look at lots of little details that may cause an item to be outside of a selling point. If you list something as is and this voids the idea of a 3 day return policy, yet you still put the return policy in big letters right below the ad.

I do not know the process of canceling an auction, but I would like to see the auction closed and we both walk away with our ratings intact. If not then we both end up with negitives and that is not good for either of us.

Please let me know what you want to do.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2006, 06:49:00 am »
Isn't there a certain duration after the auction that you can submit a dispute to eBay - stating failed correspondance, stock picture etc?

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2006, 07:14:53 am »


how high is YOUR feedback, anyway? once mine was over 20, i relaxed a little as that meant one bad feedback would put me at 95%. not brilliant, but not awful. now mine is at 41. if yours is higher than his, there is a little leverage...

and how much did you pay?


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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2006, 07:59:15 am »
Isn't there a certain duration after the auction that you can submit a dispute to eBay - stating failed correspondance, stock picture etc?

Yeah, I emailed e-bay last night. They have a place to report folks who do not respond to e-mails. It is really meant for sellers who wont sell but it also listed sellers who would not communicate. I am hoping that his lack of response will help this.

how high is YOUR feedback, anyway? once mine was over 20, i relaxed a little as that meant one bad feedback would put me at 95%. not brilliant, but not awful. now mine is at 41. if yours is higher than his, there is a little leverage...

and how much did you pay?

You have a good point. And hopefully folks will look at the rest of the feedbacks and see that this was a flukey thing.
I did not pay the bad guy. The new scope I went went for $150 + $19 Shipping (US). I also had to get some probes. I got a pair for $25 (US Shipped).

Now I just have to re-learn how to use the thing. I have not used one in like 13 years.
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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2006, 08:25:09 am »
Yeah, you'll probably piss him off with that email. When you said not everyone has the time to read the small details...yeah you shot yourself in the foot pretty bad there. You should have told him straight up you got trigger happy and misread the auction. By going on the offensive, he is less likely to cooperate with you. You know that he can file a claim against you too for non-payment, and use your coorespondence against you.
Hopefully he sees reason and knows about the auction retraction thingy. If he is pissed, he'll go ahead and mark you as a non-payer and leave negative feedback.

I hope you are able to work this out, and chalk it up as a lesson learned.

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Re: eBay uncertainty
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2006, 06:06:50 pm »
I hope you are able to work this out, and chalk it up as a lesson learned.
Yup.


I still have heard nothing from him. He's not real good on the comunication end.
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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2006, 08:03:58 am »
So last night I got a payment dispute notice from e-bay. I responded with the history. He wrote the following...
   
Ok, First Of All If You though that It was A shady Listing You should have not bid on the item.
Sencondly, If You Do Not Want to pay for the auction, Do You Expect The seller To Eat The Final Auction
Fee Cost, LOL. Thirdly Have Have Like 3 Emails Of Comunication between Us. You A Moron, And A very
Bad Ebayer. Forthly Do You think Just Because Someone Doesnt Contact You when You want, Their Not
Communicating WIth You. LOL

And e-bay closed the dispute and hit me with a non payment strike.

So, what does this mean. What is a non payment strike? How does it effect me? Can he still leave negative feedback? Which is worse a strike or negative feedback?
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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2006, 08:10:54 am »
You can get both since you did bid on the item if you get 3 strikes you will lose your ebay account, I would contact him & offer to pay for the ending fees & see if you can get this removed
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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2006, 08:43:11 am »
If he will not respond how can I contact him? He hit me then put in for a fee credit. It showed that in the dispute form.
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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2006, 09:25:56 am »

MYX,

First of all, you appear to be dealing with someone who is... well let's just say that he's not extremely bright (I especially like the haphazard capitalization and nervous LOL's :) )  This all but precludes any chance of rational discussion.  The fact that he was non-communicative until this one speaks volumes about the item and what he was trying to do (unload junk to the unwary at an inflated price.) 

From the auction description, he makes it sound like a decent unit.  There is NO REASON why someone couldn't very quickly see whether a trace comes up on the screen, or it doesn't.  If it doesn't, it should be stated.  He says he can't fully test the unit, but being dead outside of the power light does in no way require this type of "testing".  It's also rather likely that he doesn't accept PayPal because he wants the buyer to have no recourse.  I don't know what other methods he allowed for payment, but if it was only bank check or money order, you can pretty much bet that this is why.

In short, if you are an internet flea-marketer who depends on eBay for your livelihood, then you have a reason to try to make nice with this guy.  Otherwise, take the lump, give one back if you can, be more careful in the future and move on, satisfied with the knowledge that you are a "fish that got away".  It's just not worth worrying about and this guy is one of the people that make eBay (and garage sales, hamfests, flea markets, etc...) a scary place to do business and he deserves anything that causes him grief.

For the record, the seller wasn't hurt here.  He got back his fees and will re-list his item (and probably swindle some other poor bastard).  On the other hand, if he hammers MYX with a neg, he will only do himself harm when MYX responds in kind (as he should, factually.)  The ball is in his court now.

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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2006, 10:13:59 am »
Yep, what Randy said.  ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- happens, but at least you didn't get screwed out of your money.

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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2006, 10:24:31 am »
The original ad read...

Up For Auction Is This Tektronix 2336 - 100MHz, 2-Channel Oscilloscope. This Unit Is In Great Physical  Condition,  And Unit Powers On. I Can't Fully Test The Unit, So I Will Have To Sell The Unit AS IS.  Please Bid With Confidence, I Have Excellent Feedback. The Unit Comes With The Power Cord (No Probes).

What is the sellers E-bay ID ?
You mentioned he was selling similar equipment.... I'm curious to see if he even had the capability to test this unit even though he does mention not having probes for it.

I dig into everything before buying anymore on E-bay. Feedback, type of items they have sold in the past, previous ID history, other items they have for sell currently, the works.
The add sounds legit...without actually having seen it.... but his actions certainly seem shady.

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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2006, 12:02:41 pm »
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It's also rather likely that he doesn't accept PayPal because he wants the buyer to have no recourse.

Possibly as a result of him selling junk to other buyers who demanded their money back from paypal.
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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2006, 01:47:38 pm »
I like the response option in the feedback page... at least you can explain that the seller intentionally mislead bidders into buying a broken item.

I read those all the time and will absolutely do business with someone that has one or two negs (and a whole bunch of positives) if the responses are reasonable.

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Re: eBay uncertainty (Results as of Aug 11 8am)
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2006, 11:24:57 pm »
A lot of the car audio guys I speak with on the forums have been giving really good reviews of this o-scope...

http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=320-290

For $185 it is a damn good deal. Next time the need arises for one, I'll be buying that one.