Author Topic: Dreamcast question (Read 3725 times)

Lilwolf · « **on:** March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am »

Ok, now that dreamcasts are being sold on ebay for 20 - 30 bucks. I started thinking about adding one to my cabinet for real.

but the quests...

1) How many of the neomi games where ported? Most? How are the ports?

2) Has anyone successfully hacked an analog controller yet? I'm not sure if I can go for their steering wheels on a cabinet...

3) How many games require/need an analog joystick for games?

4) Can you do a button out that will work well for most games? (ie, is there any button layouts that work well where all buttons are accessable by only one hand).

5) Hate to say it... but I'm a little worried about access to software since they aren't producing any. Anyone having trouble getting cds for them? How about cdrs?

thanks

radiator · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2003, 02:01:22 pm »

well, I can solve yer software doubt...eBay...there are tons of Dreamcast games for sale on eBay (most brand new) - also, lots of videogame stores still sell the games.

as for cdr's, most will read em, but, DC's made after a certain date (can't quite remember what...could be December 2001) won't read cdr's at all.

I had a DC a few years back, was a great little machine, totally regret selling it...and I had about 80 games on cdr's that all ran perfectly...

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2003, 08:22:08 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am

Ok, now that dreamcasts are being sold on ebay for 20 - 30 bucks. I started thinking about adding one to my cabinet for real.

but the quests...

1) How many of the neomi games where ported? Most? How are the ports?

2) Has anyone successfully hacked an analog controller yet? I'm not sure if I can go for their steering wheels on a cabinet...

3) How many games require/need an analog joystick for games?

4) Can you do a button out that will work well for most games? (ie, is there any button layouts that work well where all buttons are accessable by only one hand).

5) Hate to say it... but I'm a little worried about access to software since they aren't producing any. Anyone having trouble getting cds for them? How about cdrs?

thanks

Most cps3 and naomi games are ported(i actually cant think of any game that are not ported).

Ports are about 99% arcade perfect...at times I liked dreamcast version.this goes for street fighter 3..i dont know..something is wrong with the arcade version..its just kinda slow(maybe its how the arcade set their machine).

Not many games force you to use analog..i mean baseball games requires analog but ya really wanna play baseball with arcade stick..pretty much useless.
Other that that..EVERY game I can think of uses digital(thats are supposed to be played with an arcade stick).

Just 6 button street figheter setup will do the trick for all the games.

There wont be any new game BUT there are plenty that will keep you busy..I MEAN..sooooooo many great games on DC..i honestly like dreamcast better then ps2 and x-box because dc has more arcadish type games then ps2 and x-box..freaging box suck so bad..its been collecting lot of dust lately..

gnateye · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2003, 11:12:48 pm »

i love mine too, there are still a couple of new games comin out in japan, available at liksang or levelsix, koing of hte fighters 2001 just came out and 2002 is supposed to be out soon. it really is a fun and cheap wayt to expand yoru cab, i have aton of fun playing tony hawk 2 on ther with my friends

gamestop and ebgames always havea ton of new and used stuff really cheap, i got a brand new keyboard for 4$ and a newer browser cd for .79$ now i can go online and check my email when im on the road or wherever.

i originally bought it just to have marvel vs capcom 2 in my cab and im so glad i did.

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #4 on:** March 09, 2003, 01:22:53 am »

Quote from: gnateye on March 08, 2003, 11:12:48 pm

i love mine too, there are still a couple of new games comin out in japan, available at liksang or levelsix, koing of hte fighters 2001 just came out and 2002 is supposed to be out soon. it really is a fun and cheap wayt to expand yoru cab, i have aton of fun playing tony hawk 2 on ther with my friends

gamestop and ebgames always havea ton of new and used stuff really cheap, i got a brand new keyboard for 4$ and a newer browser cd for .79$ now i can go online and check my email when im on the road or wherever.

i originally bought it just to have marvel vs capcom 2 in my cab and im so glad i did.

..Yet another happy dreamcast dude..

Just go to eb games because now a day..dreamcast stuff is really cheap..i mean i saw daytona usa 2001 for like only $12 while the game is one of the best and it was like $50 just couple of days ago.I also bought 2 of the best dreamcast lightgun for $10 each..never open brand new guns...I WAS IN HEAVEN when i got em..hmmmm house of the dead 2(2players of course

).

gnateye · « **Reply #5 on:** March 09, 2003, 12:30:54 pm »

snake which guns did you get? i have those interact ones, they are good, but i saw those mini bio guns from liksang and they look sweet, they eve nhave one with kickback!

i love house of the dead, virtua cop, even death crimson *)

Lilwolf · « **Reply #6 on:** March 09, 2003, 12:35:45 pm »

How about steering wheels? Any good ones that could be hacked?

Minwah · « **Reply #7 on:** March 09, 2003, 04:04:45 pm »

Not sure about the wheel, this would be great for F355 challenge...

But get a DC anyway if only for Soul Calibur...what a game

radiator · « **Reply #8 on:** March 09, 2003, 06:56:56 pm »

I second that...

Soul Calibur is the my most missed game (out of the 90ish that I had)

canardo · « **Reply #9 on:** March 09, 2003, 07:36:04 pm »

I intend to hook my dreamcast upto my cab (cocktail) when I have it finished via a scart or bnc connector to allow selection between the ipac or a hacked dc pad

shame you cant rewire a DC to a ATAPI cdrom then you could abstract the dc from view ( I intend to leave soul caliber in most of the time and run a power switch out the outside of the cab)

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #10 on:** March 09, 2003, 08:00:01 pm »

Quote from: gnateye on March 09, 2003, 12:30:54 pm

snake which guns did you get? i have those interact ones, they are good, but i saw those mini bio guns from liksang and they look sweet, they eve nhave one with kickback!

i love house of the dead, virtua cop, even death crimson *)

i got the same onces..starfire..IF you have a rumble pack for dreamcast then you CAN have recoil on these guns..i know about those liksang guns(they look cool) but I just wanted to play and its all good..

About steering wheels..i do not know how these can be hacked BUT you can always get the logitech steering wheels for ps2 then use converter so you can use the same one for dreamcast..the logitech steering wheel is awsome.. !.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #11 on:** March 09, 2003, 08:49:25 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am

Ok, now that dreamcasts are being sold on ebay for 20 - 30 bucks. I started thinking about adding one to my cabinet for real.

but the quests...

1) How many of the neomi games where ported? Most? How are the ports?

Lots of Naomi ports (lots of import versions)...more than you can shake a stick at.

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am

2) Has anyone successfully hacked an analog controller yet? I'm not sure if I can go for their steering wheels on a cabinet...

Yes, you can hack to a normal 8-way, but there aren't many games that require only analog.

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am

3) How many games require/need an analog joystick for games?

Not many...mostly sports games (ones you probably wouldn't play in a cabinet anyway), outside of that, only Jet Grind Radio.

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am

4) Can you do a button out that will work well for most games? (ie, is there any button layouts that work well where all buttons are accessable by only one hand).

I use the following layout (works great for all DC and MAME games I've ever played). Start with a six button cluster, standard spacing, then two more buttons off the left going down in an arc (for thumb and index finger). I usually only use those 4 buttons, and switch to the others per game (like SF for 6 buttons. PM me if you want a picture.

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am

5) Hate to say it... but I'm a little worried about access to software since they aren't producing any. Anyone having trouble getting cds for them? How about cdrs?

Every US dc game ever released is on ebay. Still lots left in Gamestop/Software Inc/EB. All dirt cheap.

u_rebelscum · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2003, 09:20:58 pm »

Quote from: SNAAAKE on March 08, 2003, 08:22:08 pm

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 08, 2003, 11:33:48 am
3) How many games require/need an analog joystick for games?

Not many games force you to use analog..i mean baseball games requires analog but ya really wanna play baseball with arcade stick..pretty much useless.
Other that that..EVERY game I can think of uses digital(thats are supposed to be played with an arcade stick).

I'd have to partially disagree here, about half the games need analog.

If it was an arcade port, then you won't need an analog stick (unless the arcade had an analog input, of course ;P ). Example: Soul Calibur doesn't need an analog.

However,
If it was a platfrom game, you problaby will need analog. Sonic Adventures 1 & 2, Ecco the Dolphin, & Toy Commander, for example, need the analog stick.
If it was a sports games, 50-50 you need analog. Sega Sports NHL and NFL need analog, while Virtua Tennis does not.
All driving games should need an analog input (the steering wheel).

So it really depends which games you want to play.

Quick rule of thumb: if the game has the "Arcade Stick" compatable icon, no need for analog; if it doesn't have that icon, either you need analog or it should have that icon.

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2003, 09:59:35 pm »

Quote from: u_rebelscum on March 09, 2003, 09:20:58 pm

I'd have to partially disagree here. If it was an arcade port, then you won't need an analog stick (unless the arcade had an analog input ).

Well world series baseball requires you to use analog and its no arcade port.MOST arcade ports DONT need any analog.Games like marvel vs capcom 2,capcom vs snk 2,mars martix,power stone and others wont force you to use analog anyways.

anthony691 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2003, 10:26:22 pm »

WOW! Dreamcast... I can say I love my Dreamcasts as I love my MAME cab. I have collected 10 VMUs, 7 controllers, 4 Dreamcasts and 100 and some-odd games. They make a PS/2 port thing to plug a keyboard of your choice into your Dreamcast, could I just plug my IPac into that? That should work. It would be sooo cool! I also have found some VERY rare games! I have this wonderful game called REZ, I have Ikaruga, I have Tokyo Bus Guide, and probably the wierdest I have JetSet Radio ( that is right, Set not grind! it is the same game, but the it is the PAL version and it had a different name.) If anyone is interested in buying well... just about any Dreamcast game (I have most of them) just send me an E-Mail.

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #15 on:** March 09, 2003, 10:30:59 pm »

what the heck are you actually doin with 4 dreamcastS btw?

I mean..seriouslly

I own 2 dreamcast...1 inside the cabinet and other one hooked up with the pc monitor..you know..to play the games that dont need arcadecontrols.

whatever..i bought only for $50 anyways(the second one)
I own 4 controllers,2 guns,3 vmus and a psx to dc converter.

s'all good..

rampy · « **Reply #16 on:** March 09, 2003, 10:40:14 pm »

Quote from: anthony691 on March 09, 2003, 10:26:22 pm

WOW! Dreamcast... I can say I love my Dreamcasts as I love my MAME cab. I have collected 10 VMUs, 7 controllers, 4 Dreamcasts and 100 and some-odd games. They make a PS/2 port thing to plug a keyboard of your choice into your Dreamcast, could I just plug my IPac into that? That should work. It would be sooo cool! I also have found some VERY rare games! I have this wonderful game called REZ, I have Ikaruga, I have Tokyo Bus Guide, and probably the wierdest I have JetSet Radio ( that is right, Set not grind! it is the same game, but the it is the PAL version and it had a different name.) If anyone is interested in buying well... just about any Dreamcast game (I have most of them) just send me an E-Mail.

You looking to sell 1?

I asked the same question re: ipac and dreamcase ps/2 adapter... relevant thread here it doesn't seem like the best way to go... (hacking a controller seems to be the most straighforward way to go)

good luck!

rampy

BombProofPlane · « **Reply #17 on:** March 09, 2003, 11:30:51 pm »

Quote from: SNAAAKE on March 09, 2003, 08:00:01 pm

Quote from: gnateye on March 09, 2003, 12:30:54 pm

About steering wheels..i do not know how these can be hacked BUT you can always get the logitech steering wheels for ps2 then use converter so you can use the same one for dreamcast..the logitech steering wheel is awsome.. !.

um the logitech wheels are the best but there all usb (i love my momo force mmm smell that leather) um never heard of any usb to dc adapters.

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #18 on:** March 10, 2003, 12:09:18 am »

i actually heard about this wheel from Luke(AN user here).I dont actually own one..still need to do some more research on this..

anthony691 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 10, 2003, 08:24:01 am »

I will totally sell games and maybe a Dreamcast... I will have to ask my brother... I mean... make me an offer.

Lilwolf · « **Reply #20 on:** March 10, 2003, 08:47:53 am »

Next major Dreamcast question.

Should I go VGA->27" EYGO monitor or TV? Do I need SVid?

gnateye · « **Reply #21 on:** March 10, 2003, 12:31:03 pm »

for the record some games like tony hawk and their ilk (matt hoffman, and that style) work with either analog or digital controls, i play tony hawk in my cab and it is one of my favs, it takes a lil getting used to, using the stick instead of the directional pad, but after a few minutes, its just as fun

Dave_K. · « **Reply #22 on:** March 10, 2003, 01:26:45 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 10, 2003, 08:47:53 am

Next major Dreamcast question.
Should I go VGA->27" EYGO monitor or TV? Do I need SVid?

Well, if you don't have a VGA monitor and want to go on the cheap, then TV with S-Video. Otherwise why not go VGA??

toilet · « **Reply #23 on:** March 10, 2003, 02:33:28 pm »

DC VGA looks wicked nice and the adapter is definately worth picking up. To be fair though, I'd like to say:

Most rendered stuff looks really really good. Ikaruga, Virtua Tenis, etc look incredible. However 2d sprite stuff tends to stands out as sprite-y. Most likely they were just included at lower resolutions, but with games such as MvC2 or CvS2 the backgrounds look great and the characters look pixel-y.

Also, some games won't work with the adapter. The only game I've had not work is KOF EVO, it flat out tells you it's not compatible with the attached video adapter. Oh, and some boot discs don't like booting up with them, though this may be fixed.

gnateye · « **Reply #24 on:** March 10, 2003, 02:40:33 pm »

this has a lot to do with which adapter you have too, i have the dragoncast one and it doesnt work with a lot of games, but some of the others work great.......

it looks awesome though for sure.

u_rebelscum · « **Reply #25 on:** March 10, 2003, 11:56:37 pm »

Quote from: SNAAAKE on March 09, 2003, 09:59:35 pm

Quote from: u_rebelscum on March 09, 2003, 09:20:58 pm
I'd have to partially disagree here. If it was an arcade port, then you won't need an analog stick (unless the arcade had an analog input ).

[snip]
----

Well world series baseball requires you to use analog and its no arcade port. MOST arcade ports DONT need any analog.Games like marvel vs capcom 2,capcom vs snk 2,mars martix,power stone and others wont force you to use analog anyways.

The part you snipped was the part that was disagreeing. You left in the part that was agreeing. That's why I said "partially disagree". I agree that most arcade port don't need analog, look at your quote.

Sorry I wasn't very clear that I was starting with the agree part (re-reading my post, it wasn't straight forward). I'll reword the post.

u_rebelscum · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2003, 12:01:07 am »

Quote from: gnateye on March 10, 2003, 12:31:03 pm

for the record some games like tony hawk and their ilk (matt hoffman, and that style) work with either analog or digital controls, i play tony hawk in my cab and it is one of my favs, it takes a lil getting used to, using the stick instead of the directional pad, but after a few minutes, its just as fun

You're right. It's just that I can't play with the digital pad. Now that you reminded me, my brother can't play with the analog stick, opposite of me. Sorry for the mis-info. I corrected my post.

SNAAAKE · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2003, 03:44:18 am »

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 10, 2003, 08:47:53 am

Next major Dreamcast question.

Should I go VGA->27" EYGO monitor or TV? Do I need SVid?

HEH !..
This isnt even a question..of course you get a vga monitor and vga box..no quesions asked on this one(you get the idea now

)

Minwah · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2003, 05:05:01 am »

How about get a Scart lead and hack it to arcade monitor?

Lilwolf · « **Reply #29 on:** March 11, 2003, 09:35:21 am »

The trouble with the Eygo monitor will be this... It will be in my cocktail table!

I was considering taking my standup and making it 100% dreamcast and get a new tv.

So, do I hack it into my cocktail table or it's own standalone standup will be the question.

But I guess I will have to get it and see.... but I just bought a 720 controller on ebay and I dont' think my wife will let me buy anthing else for a bit... sigh

Dave_K. · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2003, 03:51:52 pm »

Quote from: Lilwolf on March 11, 2003, 09:35:21 am

The trouble with the Eygo monitor will be this... It will be in my cocktail table!

I was considering taking my standup and making it 100% dreamcast and get a new tv.

So, do I hack it into my cocktail table or it's own standalone standup will be the question.

But I guess I will have to get it and see.... but I just bought a 720 controller on ebay and I dont' think my wife will let me buy anthing else for a bit... sigh

Personally, I'd go with the standup. But there is no reason why you can't make it work in both using standard connectors to isolate the control panel/monitor/sound. So you have your choice of mame or dc in whichever cabinet you prefer that day/week/month.


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