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Requirements (i.e. things I think you need):

1. Motherboard (~3Ghz?) (with 4? USB slots)
2. Power supply (not sure how mant watts) (no case - computer will be installed directly to cab)
3. Hard drive (100GB)
4. RAM (512MB or 1GB)
5. video card(?)
6. audio card(?)
7. speakers (2.1)
8. wireless card for maintenance (?)

Also, I already have 3 80mm Vantec Stealth fans (12V) that will cool the entire inside of the cabinet. 

This computer will not do ANYTHING except run a few emulators (MAME, Nester, SNES9X, etc.) but I do want to play Metal Slug 3, MK3 and KI at 100%.  It will not be used for modern computer games but if I can figure it out I might want to add "You Don't Know Jack" for the wife.  I don't know much about building computers but I want to learn. 

Hopefully this thread will help other beginners like me put something together.  THANKS!!   ;D
« Last Edit: June 26, 2006, 11:41:04 pm by javeryh »

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2006, 09:38:36 pm »
Why buy anything? I remember running Mame on an old 333. In fact, the first machine I made to run Mame was an old school desk with a network of three CPUs that I built out of junk people were throwing away. It only cost me $1.50 for some bolts to hold on the old hair dyer/speaker dome.
If you don't have any geek friends always throwing things out, search the discount bins at the local computer store. You really don't need much power to run these emus.

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2006, 10:55:29 pm »
You really don't need much power to run these emus.

 :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

I mean on offense what-so-ever, but unless your idea of "run these emus" means run a 5 year old version of mame and NOT run mslug3 and KI that is the silliest thing I've ever heard. 

mslug3 needs 450 mhz MINIMUM  to run without frameskipping.  Heck even simple cps2 games need around 400mhz to run full speed in mame.   Ki (in mame at least) needs at least a 1.5 gig processor to run full speed... really more than that but I don't know the exact number. 




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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2006, 02:02:41 am »
Get a used compaq or emachine off of ebay.  You really don't need a powerful video card or an awesome sound card.  Just processing power and clean install of windows will do the trick.  I have an Emachine 2.66ghz celeron that runs KI and KI2 full speed. 

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2006, 02:17:45 am »
Me thinks you misunderstand,
by today's standers a 1.5 gig processor is darn pretty slow. In fact it's so low-end it would be hard to find in a new system. Unless of course you live in a 3rd world country.
I'm not suggesting you could get away with a 333 and run all the games you want, but you don't need a 3 gig machine to run these programs.

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2006, 09:44:33 am »
Me thinks you misunderstand,
by today's standers a 1.5 gig processor is darn pretty slow. In fact it's so low-end it would be hard to find in a new system. Unless of course you live in a 3rd world country.
I'm not suggesting you could get away with a 333 and run all the games you want, but you don't need a 3 gig machine to run these programs.

That might have been what you meant to say, but that isn't what you said. Go up and look at your post, you pretty blatently implied that a 333mhz is all you need by the way you worded things.  :)

Regardless, as of .106u3 the bar has officially been raised.  People seem to think that these new dx8 core changes are supposed to increase speed and functionality.  Quite the opposite really.  If anything the new changes will make things slower on lower-end systems.  What we get is increased functionality (and that is a HUGE understatement). 

While you might not need a 3 gig processor to run some of these games, a 1.5 isn't going to cut it anymore. (Even though I eluded to that and I'm sorry.)  The range is gonna jump to around 2-2.5 gigs, which is around the specs of a typical middle-of-the-road pc you would buy new today. 

And actually, as of .106u3 you DO need a fairly powerful video card.  Not top of the line mind you, but fully dx8 compliant.  (Meaning radeon or better).  You can still run mame without it, but you won't have the benefit of hardware accel, meaning things will be slower than they could be. 

I'm by no means saying buy top of the line either, or even new for that matter, but you can't get away with scraps if you want to play Killer Instinct. 


Anyway, this guy says he is new to building computers (meaning he doesn't have spare parts lying around).  Because of this it would be impossible to get a machine for less than 350 without either buying the system, or some of the parts used.  Ram alone is 100-175 bucks if you want a gig (which you don't need unless you are preparing for vista or something).  Wireless nics are fairly expensive and it's hard to get used cards because the tech is farily new.  We haven't even gotten to the actual pc yet. 

It's not a lost cause, but a more realistic figure (assuming you want to buy all new parts) is 450-500.  Now you can get a pre-built pc for around 350 or less, but it's probably going to have a video card you don't want so there's another 50 bucks and all of these pre-built pcs need more ram then they come with so that's another 50-100 bucks.  And I'm not talking about a brand-spanking new 3 gig+ pc, I'm talking about whatever is on sale (probably around 2.2-2.5 gigs). 
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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2006, 03:57:06 pm »
Thanks Howard - that's some good information...  I am going to post something later today in hopes people will critique it for MAME usage...

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2006, 05:34:00 pm »
I wonder if the older ArcadeVGAs will be able to utilize the new screen display code. According to the Radeon Wikipedia entry, the Radeon 7xxx is a DirectX 7 part, and the new display stuff is DX8.

It's possible that the 7xxx AVGA may run into the same problems running the new rev of MAME is it does with Daphne, in which case it's time to upgrade to a 9xxx AVGA.
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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2006, 08:14:56 pm »
Judging from what I am seeing in the new u builds and my own experience with dx8 I can without question say:  "Yes, No, Maybe?"

Most of dx8 is exactly like dx7 in terms of hardware effects.  The things it differs in is alpha blending (used for the new menus) and pre-transformed vertex processing (I'm not sure if this is what is used to display graphics or if sprites are used, but juding from the new on the fly rotation, I'd say pre-tran verts are used.)

So it'll work with software vertex processing, which is slightly slwoer than hardware vertex processing. 

Bascially yeah, the 7x AVGA is starting to die. 


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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2006, 10:02:07 pm »
Take a quick look on EBay.  I just found more than 12 machines that have sold in the past few weeks at around $250 plus $25-50 shipping.  They are in the 2.0 - 2.4 ghz range with 128 - 512 meg ram and include an OS. 


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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2006, 02:56:39 am »
P4 2.8GHZ $85 shipped (add $12 for heatsink). http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=119
Abit Mobo $61 shipped. http://www.pcprogress.com/product.asp?m1=pw&pid=ABSG%2D71
1 GB RAM (2 512MB sticks) $75 shipped. http://www.stalliontek.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DDR2700%2D00400
450W PSU $15 shipped. http://3btech.net/ch45atxposup.html
200 GB SATA HD $65 shipped. http://www.basoncomputer.com/MX6B200M0/item.aspx
Radeon 9200 128MB $35 shipped. http://3btech.net/chatira92se8.html

Total cost: $348

It's possible, but you're not getting a case with this or an optical drive. I would agree that you're better off bumping up your expectations to at least $400-$450 for something you'll really be happy with.

Edit: I didn't include an operating system. You can get Linux for free, but you're probably looking at $100 (at least) for a WinXP disc.


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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2006, 12:00:47 pm »
P4 2.8GHZ $85 shipped (add $12 for heatsink). http://www.starmicro.net/detail.aspx?ID=119
Abit Mobo $61 shipped. http://www.pcprogress.com/product.asp?m1=pw&pid=ABSG%2D71
1 GB RAM (2 512MB sticks) $75 shipped. http://www.stalliontek.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DDR2700%2D00400
450W PSU $15 shipped. http://3btech.net/ch45atxposup.html
200 GB SATA HD $65 shipped. http://www.basoncomputer.com/MX6B200M0/item.aspx
Radeon 9200 128MB $35 shipped. http://3btech.net/chatira92se8.html

Total cost: $348

It's possible, but you're not getting a case with this or an optical drive. I would agree that you're better off bumping up your expectations to at least $400-$450 for something you'll really be happy with.

Edit: I didn't include an operating system. You can get Linux for free, but you're probably looking at $100 (at least) for a WinXP disc.




Thanks!!!  I have an old DVD drive I can use off of an old computer and my slightly new laptop came with XP so I think I can just install that (don't they allow like 2 computers to use it in the home or something?).

Do you think really upping the budget will make me happier?  When I say MAME, SNES and NES only I definitely mean it.  I won't be using it to play music, send emails or anything else - it's purely a gaming machine that will go in the corner of the TV room.  I've spent a lot on building my cab so far and I don't want to skimp with what's probably the most important part so an extra $100 to be way happier in the long run is probably worth it to me.  That said, I'd rather not unless it's necessary.  I want to be able to play KI and KI2 at 100% but I will probably be playing games like Mr. Do! and Ms. Pac-man the most.  I just want the option to play some fighting games when friends come over and KI seems to be the most demanding out of the fighters I like to play...

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2006, 01:01:16 pm »
Thanks!!!  I have an old DVD drive I can use off of an old computer and my slightly new laptop came with XP so I think I can just install that (don't they allow like 2 computers to use it in the home or something?).

Do you think really upping the budget will make me happier?  When I say MAME, SNES and NES only I definitely mean it.  I won't be using it to play music, send emails or anything else - it's purely a gaming machine that will go in the corner of the TV room.  I've spent a lot on building my cab so far and I don't want to skimp with what's probably the most important part so an extra $100 to be way happier in the long run is probably worth it to me.  That said, I'd rather not unless it's necessary.  I want to be able to play KI and KI2 at 100% but I will probably be playing games like Mr. Do! and Ms. Pac-man the most.  I just want the option to play some fighting games when friends come over and KI seems to be the most demanding out of the fighters I like to play...

That deal is for a refurb mobo. I would throw an extra $100 on the things that are tougher to upgrade later like the mobo and processor. Maybe start off with a <100GB HD and 512MB RAM. It also might save you some headaches if you can get all the parts from one place. It might cost a little more, but dealing with returns/exchanges and shipping will be easier.

Ultimately it's up to you what will make you happy. This system will probably play the games you want, but I can not guarantee it, nor do I vouch for any of the vendors I listed. Go to http://www.pricewatch.com and you'll find some good deals. Using old parts like your DVD drive is a great way to save some money.

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2006, 01:21:22 pm »
That's a great idea - I think I picked a better motherboard at the expense of RAM and hard drive space...  I tried piecing something together from newegg... how does this look?  Am I going to be able to play KI, MK3 and SFA3 with this setup?  Am I missing anything? 

Most importantly: do all of these parts "talk" to each other??

OK, here we go...

Hard Drive: $45.99 [80GB]
Western Digital Caviar SE WD800JD 80GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #: WD800JD
Item #: N82E16822135106
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822135106

Motherboard: $89.99
EPoX EP-8NPA SLI Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Model #: EP-8NPA SLI
Item #: N82E16813123257
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813123257

Processor: $97.99 [2.0GHz]
AMD Sempron 64 3300+ Palermo 1600MHz HT 128KB L2 Cache Socket 754 Processor - Retail
Model #: SDA3300BXBOX
Item #: N82E16819104233
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819104233

Memory: $40.99 [512MB]
CORSAIR ValueSelect 512MB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) System Memory - Retail
Model #: VS512MB400
Item #: N82E16820145026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145026

Video Card: $49.99
GIGABYTE GV-NX57128DP Geforce PCX5750 128MB 128-bit DDR PCI Express x16 Video Card - Retail
Model #: GV-NX57128DP
Item #: N82E16814125194
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125194

Power Supply: $74.99 [485W]
ENERMAX Noisetaker EG495P-VE SFMA ATX 485W Power Supply 115/230 V UL (Level 3), cUL (Level 3), VDE, CB, NEMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, FIMKO - Retail
Model #: EG495P-VE SFMA
Item #: N82E16817103457
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817103457

TOTAL: $399.94

Thanks!!!
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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 [PARTS SELECTED!]
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2006, 01:47:43 pm »
I'll look at that setup tonight when I get home.

I can not comment on speeds for playing those games as my current setup is less than that and I haven't tried those 3 games. Maybe someone here with more experience using MAME can speak to that point.
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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 [PARTS SELECTED!]
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2006, 01:49:56 pm »
Thanks!  Also, I just read that the video card I chose is not compatible so I am now thinking of using this one (if it's even necessary)...

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You should be able to find a power suppy that is wayyy cheaper than $75. You are not running a super duper power hungry system, so you can skimp on that a bit. I remember  picking one up at Microcenter for $30.

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You should be able to find a power suppy that is wayyy cheaper than $75. You are not running a super duper power hungry system, so you can skimp on that a bit. I remember  picking one up at Microcenter for $30.

Bad idea. Don't skimp on a power supply (especially with a more recent processor). Nothing but headache if you slap a cheap 300W in there. If you go cheap, you have a possibility to experience "weirdness" in form of crashes, burnout of components, and other un-fun events.

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You should be able to find a power suppy that is wayyy cheaper than $75. You are not running a super duper power hungry system, so you can skimp on that a bit. I remember  picking one up at Microcenter for $30.

Bad idea. Don't skimp on a power supply (especially with a more recent processor). Nothing but headache if you slap a cheap 300W in there. If you go cheap, you have a possibility to experience "weirdness" in form of crashes, burnout of components, and other un-fun events.
I gotta agree w/ sirwoogie on the P.S., although I've just always used the one that came with the system I used for the Mame setup...but I've always used old PC's.

Low wattage, can be trouble, especially w/ newer processors.

I've never used anything faster than a pentium 3 (don't remember wattage on P.S - sorry) but I was running old mame, and no emulators.

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OK, I ordered this motherboard and processor:  http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-761X%2B31

I still need:
1.  RAM (1 GB)
2.  HDD (60-80GB)
3.  PSU
4.  Video Card?

I think that's it.  I have a DVD-ROM to use to install everything and I'm going to try and put XP on there when it's finished (I have XP on my laptop).  Any recommendations?

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FWIW, I bought a 1.2 GHZ machine with 256MB RAM, 6 GB HD a few months ago for $75.  It runs my MAME with no problems.
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FWIW, I bought a 1.2 GHZ machine with 256MB RAM, 6 GB HD a few months ago for $75.  It runs my MAME with no problems.
As the OP pointed out, the goal was to be able to run most any current emulated game and most current PC games as well. You're right for your machine that it'll run MAME, but at a different MAME level, or with the more classic ROMs.

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Don't skimp on a power supply (especially with a more recent processor). Nothing but headache if you slap a cheap 300W in there. If you go cheap, you have a possibility to experience "weirdness" in form of crashes, burnout of components, and other un-fun events.

There's two kinds of cheap.  Quality and price.  The two are often, but not always, linked.  The trick is finding the highest quality possible at a reasonable price point.

Anything under $30 nowadays is pretty much guaranteed to be crap.

I had pretty good luck with the 300-400 Watt Fortron power supplies (various models) for about $40.

But my current favorite is the Seasonic S-12 330W for around $55 shipped.

It's one of the top rated power supplies at Silent PC Review.  Very quiet and crazy efficient.  Plus it comes with a 3 year warranty.

It's hard to find the 330W model but it can be found if you look hard enough.  Try searching Froogle and sorting by price.
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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2006, 02:00:53 am »
Thanks!!!  I have an old DVD drive I can use off of an old computer and my slightly new laptop came with XP so I think I can just install that (don't they allow like 2 computers to use it in the home or something?).
Just for the record, no, they don't allow you to install a OEM copy (the type you get with a commercial built system) on more than one machine. In fact, you'll likely have ALOT of problems getting a branded version of XP (assuming they branded it, which they normally do) to install on a non-manufacturer system (as in, it likely won't install at all).
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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2006, 11:27:42 am »
Thanks!!!  I have an old DVD drive I can use off of an old computer and my slightly new laptop came with XP so I think I can just install that (don't they allow like 2 computers to use it in the home or something?).
Just for the record, no, they don't allow you to install a OEM copy (the type you get with a commercial built system) on more than one machine. In fact, you'll likely have ALOT of problems getting a branded version of XP (assuming they branded it, which they normally do) to install on a non-manufacturer system (as in, it likely won't install at all).

Crap.  I thought so.  I don't know what else to do though - I certainly don't want to spend a ton of money for an operating system on something that will only run MAME... 

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Re: Challenge: Build a MAME computer for <$350 (or somewhere close)
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2006, 11:51:49 am »
I don't know what else to do though - I certainly don't want to spend a ton of money for an operating system on something that will only run MAME.

Linux is free.

Copies of Windows 98SE can be purchased pretty cheaply off of eBay...
http://tinyurl.com/ms2p4

Windows 2000 can be had cheaply as well...
http://tinyurl.com/mqnkm

Just be aware that Windows 2000 does not support multiple independent mouse devices (trackballs/spinners) in MAME if that is in your plans for the future.

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I would love to be able to run Linux because everyone raves about it but I don't think I'm goign to be able to figure that out.  I'll be shocked if I can actually assemble the computer once I have all of the parts nevermind running the software!

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How's this one?  ($299, no monitor / OS)  looks like a great deal to me!

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OK, I ordered this motherboard and processor:  http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-761X%2B31

I still need:
1.  RAM (1 GB)
2.  HDD (60-80GB)
3.  PSU
4.  Video Card?

I think that's it.  I have a DVD-ROM to use to install everything and I'm going to try and put XP on there when it's finished (I have XP on my laptop).  Any recommendations?

I have that mobo with a Sempron 3300+ CPU - you should be very pleased with it. I would recommend upgrading the included cpu fan(if it comes with the OEM AMD fan)- it works well, but is a bit noisy...

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If you plan on using an ArcadeVGA with a 15KHz arcade monitor, then you should look for a system/motherboard that has an AGP slot.
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FWIW, I bought a 1.2 GHZ machine with 256MB RAM, 6 GB HD a few months ago for $75.  It runs my MAME with no problems.

How does KI 1 and 2 run on your system?