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Bad paint or bad painter?
« on: April 24, 2006, 11:33:57 pm »
OK.  So, I may not know jack about painting... but I thought it was pretty simple.  I sanded down a old Mario Bros. cabinet just about down to the wood through the original orange paint, along with some bondo work on the corners, I was ready for some primer...

I chose the Kilz Premium for a primer.  I applied it using a foam roller (not that exact one, but similar).  After drying time of about a day, I came back the next night and painted the sides orange with Enterprise Interior Latex Semi-Gloss Paint.  Yes, crappy paint, but I had read that other people had painted their cabs with it without a problem.

So, here comes the interesting part.  I was doing a second coat of the black (white primer was easily noticable), during the trimming on the front, I noticed the coat underneath the wet paint was coming up.  After closer inspection, I found that I could wipe it all off straight down to the primer!  The primer was in prestine condition, the paint just simply didn't stick to it.

Now, I am 99% sure that both of these products are compatible.  They are both water based, etc.  What I am wanting to know, was it the paint, or was it me?

All I have to do now is wipe the cabinet down with a wet washrag, and the paint peels right off in huge sheets.  A picture of me doing this is attached to this post.

That is what I am going to do to strip it down, I'll give it a sand, a reprime, and I'm going to use some better quality Behr paint and see if I have more luck with that.  I am still very curious as to if anyone else had this issue, or if I got some faulty paint.

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Re: Bad paint or bad painter?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2006, 06:59:12 am »
Don't use latex paint, use acrylic.

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Re: Bad paint or bad painter?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2006, 07:13:34 am »
I agree with Peale (although I am not certain why you are having the problems that you are if the primer had indeed dried).

About a year ago, when painting my first MAME project, I came across Black Alkyd Enamel (Black oil paint) by Benjamin Moore ... well actually it was thrust upon me by the paint guru at our local Rona (and since she's seen me through painting two houses and the cottage, along with various massive staining excercises, I believe her) ... it is great for black cabinets and covers a primed/sealed surface in one coat. It is only available in black as it is not a tinting added at the store. It is off-the-shelf-dark-as-dark-can-be-black and it sticks to everything I have used it on, whether primed (original MAME project) or not (repainting Super Mario Brothers).

The downside was that I had to buy a gallon as it wasn't available in quarts ... for me, that was like hearing "you have to buy at least 20 buttons", so it really wasn't a downside.

I'm not entirely certain that this info is helpful to you, but at least now it is on the record.

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Re: Bad paint or bad painter?
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2006, 09:00:51 am »
Now, I am 99% sure that both of these products are compatible.  They are both water based, etc.  What I am wanting to know, was it the paint, or was it me?

A combination of both..... The Laytex paint is only suitable for an unsealed surface. For example Un-Primed MDF....  It is very definately not suitable for painting over the top of a sealed or laminated surface, as it needs the absorbtion of the surface to key into it.

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Re: Bad paint or bad painter?
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2006, 10:07:57 am »
I just painted 2 cabinets with Latex....

whats the advantage of Acrylic over latex? It lay down better? or is it a durable issue? I'm using a roller/brush either way.