pros and cons of i-pac and keywiz

[Distortion]

I'm not trying to start a flame war, so if you're going to flame, start your own post.  All I want are the pros and cons of each (keywiz and i-pac) from people who have used them.

[SirPoonga]

keywiz pros: cheaper, shift button not an input

IPAC pros: keyboard LED, shift button also an input

[_Iz-]

keywiz pros: cheaper, shift button not an input

IPAC pros: keyboard LED, shift button also an input

You forgot:

Keywiz pro: (slightly) more inputs than standard ipac, shift functions can be assigned to dedicated buttons with special adapters

IPac pro: dedicated keyboard passthru, inputs can be extended by chaining 2 IPac's

[SirPoonga]

You forgot:

No, I did not.

Keywiz pro: (slightly) more inputs than standard ipac, shift functions can be assigned to dedicated buttons with special adapters

Yeah, with an extra adaptor, hence more money to spend.  I was comparing base products.

IPac pro: dedicated keyboard passthru, inputs can be extended by chaining 2 IPac's

What?  There is no ipac pro.  the ipac4 has enough inputs for 4 players and then some though.

[_Iz-]

Yeah, with an extra adaptor, hence more money to spend.  I was comparing base products.

keywiz plus adapters is still cheaper than base ipac...  And regardless of whether the adapters cost additional money or not you should atleast mention that the capability exists.

What?  There is no ipac pro.  the ipac4 has enough inputs for 4 players and then some though.

IPac pro as in not con...

And I was referring to a scenario. Say you bought a standard ipac and later wanted to add more controls than the ipac will support. Instead of scrapping your existing ipac and springing for an ipac4 you can extend your ipac by chaining another ipac to it and reprogramming the code set on the second one...

Heck, you could chain a KEYWIZ to the Ipac for the best of both worlds...  (sacrilege, I know...   ...quickly puts on fire proof suit)

[SirPoonga]

IPac pro as in not con...

And I was referring to a scenario. Say you bought a standard ipac and later wanted to add more controls than the ipac will support. Instead of scrapping your existing ipac and springing for an ipac4 you can extend your ipac by chaining another ipac to it and reprogramming the code set on the second one...

I didn't  say con, where did I say con, I just said there is no such thing as an IPAC Pro.  There's the IPAC2 with 28 inputs and the IPAC4 with 58.

About pass through, I bet teh keywiz with the keyboard pass through could do that too.  Though I would not suggest it.  programming the IPACs will be fun:)

[_Iz-]

I didn't  say con, where did I say con, I just said there is no such thing as an IPAC Pro.

I never said there was an ipac pro. I was speaking of the ipac's PRO's (as in not con's). And then attempted to explain to you what was being said. Read properly and think before attacking...

About pass through, I bet teh keywiz with the keyboard pass through could do that too.  Though I would not suggest it.  programming the IPACs will be fun:)

You're forgetting that the keywiz's passthru is an either/or affair. You would be able to use either one keywiz OR the other NOT both together. AND have to access it to switch between them. This would render the benefit completely useless...  and FYI, programming the IPAC is quite simple...

[Distortion]

the keywiz max has a keyboard passthru, so I suppose you could daisy chain those too.  That adapter...all it is, basically, is a splitter with quick disconnects on each end.  Easy to make for about a dollar.

[_Iz-]

the keywiz max has a keyboard passthru, so I suppose you could daisy chain those too.  That adapter...all it is, basically, is a splitter with quick disconnects on each end.  Easy to make for about a dollar.

I mentioned the keywiz passthru in my last post. It's not a real passthru. It's a switch. If you use it to chain 2 keywizzes then only one can be used at a time. Think only able to use 1/2 your control panel at a time. Flip a switch then you can only use the other 1/2.

The adapter, while simple, is not a basic "Y". It does have some electronic components. I'm pretty sure it has 2 diodes but this is as yet unconfirmed with an actual part. If it is just diodes and wires then they can be made for much less than a dollar...

[SirPoonga]

I didn't  say con, where did I say con, I just said there is no such thing as an IPAC Pro.

I never said there was an ipac pro. I was speaking of the ipac's PRO's (as in not con's). And then attempted to explain to you what was being said. Read properly and think before attacking...

I wasn't attacking, I was clarifying.  I read your statement wrong.
See, you said keywiz pro which seemed like you were calling the keywiz max, so along the same lines of thinking you can see how I got confused.
If you want an attack, I can attack and it won't be so pretty:)

and FYI, programming the IPAC is quite simple...

Simple yes, I didn't say it was difficult.  I said you will have fun if you daisy chain.  Especially if you have to reprogram.  You need to program each seperately, not in the daisy chain.

[eightbit]

the keywiz max has a keyboard passthru, so I suppose you could daisy chain those too.

About pass through, I bet teh keywiz with the keyboard pass through could do that too.  Though I would not suggest it.  programming the IPACs will be fun:)

The keywhiz does not have a dedicated pass through. The keywhiz max has a switched pass through which means either the keyboard works or the encoder works they do not both work at the same time so their is no way to daisy chain them.

One of the reasons the keywhiz has more inputs than the ipac is because it doesn't have the keyboard pass through. That feature uses inputs.

[Distortion]

is there a such thing as a ps/2 Y cable?  If so, would the keyboard be able to run at the same time as the keywiz encoder?

[rampy]

is there a such thing as a ps/2 Y cable?  If so, would the keyboard be able to run at the same time as the keywiz encoder?

oy... check the other key whiz vs ipac thread for more info on that... the short answer is... if you want to go cheaper and HAVE to have a keyboard available all the time, use the keywiz with a cheapo usb keyboard plugged in  to your PC's usb port (and the keywiz to the ps/2 port)...

*shrug*

Rampy