can running vertical games on a horiz. monitor for to long damage it ?

[rlemmon]

Hi. I am wandering about running vertical games on a horizontal monitor.
Since you have the black areas on the sides and there is no screen saver running if it could damage your monitor after a while. I leave my Mame machine running all day and turn it off at night.
Thanks

[Fozzy The Bear]

Yes is the simple answer.... If you leave you monitor running constantly with with a vertical game showing. Then you will get screen burn in the centre area.

Modern monitors are less prone to burn than older ones, but any CRT monitor will show screen burn if they are constantly showing the same thing. Running all day even when you're not using it will eventually burn the screen.

There are three possible answers to this one...
1) Run a full screen saver that doesn't have a constant image or
2) Have windows run screen blanking or monitor off as a screen saver (In Power Settings).
3) Don't leave it running. (you can leave windows running and just turn off the monitor yourself)

Alternatively run an LCD display as they don't suffer from screen burn.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[d123456]

I don't think it will actually
Screen burn is not caused by black borders, it's caused by actual video.
So running vertical games won't risk screen burn more than running horizontal games.

In fact I would go as far as saying that it is saver to run vertical games since less screen is being used so the chances are even smaller getting screen burn.
However when you do get screenburn it might look strange because the screen burn will be cut off at the borders

Someone please verify, as I am a newb on this forum (check the post count)

[Fozzy The Bear]

In fact I would go as far as saying that it is saver to run vertical games since less screen is being used so the chances are even smaller getting screen burn.

Someone please verify, as I am a newb on this forum (check the post count)

You're a Newbee talking complete and utter rubbish..... Screen burn occours on all CRT monitors over time, when they're in use.  He will end up with a band of screen burn in the centre of the monitor. His chance of getting screen burn is NOT reduced by running vertical games at all. It just means he'll burn the middle section of the screen more, instead of all of it.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[MYX]

You're a Newbee talking complete and utter rubbish.....

LOLROF 

[markrvp]

You're a Newbee talking complete and utter rubbish.....

Julian I've noticed you tend to be pretty arrogant here and I would encourage you to think before you type.  It's not like you have thousands of posts and years of participation.  Your post above does nothing to foster a sense of community and encourage participation.  It is possible to disagree without being disagreeable and I hope you will try and work on that.  Nobody likes a bully, even one in cyberspace.

Running vertical games on a horizontal monitor is not any more dangerous that running full-screen games.  Burn comes when the same "BRIGHT" thing is displayed constantly.  Take Pacman for example.  If you see a Pacman monitor with burn-in, the burn you see is from the bright blue maze and bright white dots, not the black area where nothing is displayed.  The maze and black areas never change, yet the maze is the pattern you see burned.  The other thing you typically see burned-in in arcade monitors is the "Player 1" "Player 2" and "High Score" text which is typically WHITE (as in bright, not black).

Assuming that different games will be running (i.e. the same thing is not always in the same place) the original poster shouldn't be concerned about visible screen-burn from vertical games for a very long time.

[rdmustang]

Fozzy was right in his first post but d123456 is right also.

d123456 claimed that running vertical on a horizontal monitor is no more dangerous than running horizontal games (before Fozzy said he was an idiot without actually paying attention to what he was saying).

It doesn't matter if you run vertical or horizontal.  Either way you need the screen to change to prevent burn-in.  The black areas on the vertical will not be affected because as markrvp mentioned it's mainly bright areas that will burn in. 

So just make sure ALL non-black areas (actual black, not just dark gray areas) of the screen change.

[Fozzy The Bear]

You're a Newbee talking complete and utter rubbish.....

Julian I've noticed you tend to be pretty arrogant here and I would encourage you to think before you type. 

Yes.. perhaps it was a bit of a snappy response.... But the fact remains that it's NOT safer to run a vertical game which is what the newb was claiming as a fact.   

As you clearly understand, any time a monitor is in use for anything at all the phosphors are burning away.  If the original poster is leaving a vertical game running all day every day, when the cabinet isn't being used then he's going to burn the centre of the screen in just a few months.

Let me give you an example... I run a lot of arcade monitors every day, that's the nature of maintaining an arcade. One of the machines running is 18 Wheeler. Now that actually has pretty constantly changing graphics on the attract screen. But has the words 18 Wheeler displayed for about 15 seconds in each 50 or so second loop of changing graphics.... I'm currently changing out that monitor after just a year! Becuse it has the words 18 Wheeler pretty badly burnt into it.

Fozzy was right in his first post but d123456 is right also.

d123456 claimed that running vertical on a horizontal monitor is no more dangerous than running horizontal games (before Fozzy said he was an idiot without actually paying attention to what he was saying).

NO! That's NOT what he said! He said running a vertical game was SAFER! than running a horizontal game and there was less chance of screen burn because less screen was being used. Which is clearly rubbish.  So perhaps you need to pay attention to what he was saying.

And I'll also thank you not to put words in my mouth... I didn't call him "an idiot" those are your words. I did tell him he was talking complete rubbish, and I stand by that.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[MYX]

Never mind Fozzy, he is really a nice guy under those pointy spikes. Generally good information with a little sharpness. 

We actually have something in comon. Waka Waka Waka. Sorry, just thought of that. 

[nostrebor]

Hi. I am wandering about running vertical games on a horizontal monitor.
Since you have the black areas on the sides and there is no screen saver running if it could damage your monitor after a while. I leave my Mame machine running all day and turn it off at night.
Thanks

To get back to the op's question Running MAME in either configuration will not screen burn your monitor unless you are running the same image in the same position for long periods of time.

Just make sure that you have a frontend that goes into screensaver mode, with a large variety of changing or moving images. The less you allow the same image to appear in the same spot (18 wheeler was used as an example) the longer it will take to get burn. If you are running a full set of snaps of several hundred diffent images (typical to a MAME build) you should not see burn for a very long time.



(nostrebor - Provider of simple, direct, no-bash answers since 2004.)

[Minwah]

I'd run a screensaver or power-saving thing to reduce the risk of burn in...regardless of whether you're running horizontal or vertical games.

[RandyT]

I'd run a screensaver or power-saving thing to reduce the risk of burn in...regardless of whether you're running horizontal or vertical games.

I agree.  Anything that turns on the electron beam at anything higher than black levels is going to burn the phosphor.  You just won't notice it unless the beams are at high output in the same areas over time.

I also agree with Fozzy.  The notion that screen burn is less likely because a smaller part of the screen is being used is a little absurd.  For a great example of this, look at any monochrome vector game.  By their nature, the phosphor is exposed to much less energy on average because they don't scan like a raster display.  But, high intensity in concentrated areas actually will cause screen burn much more rapidly, even though the majority of the screen is hardly used.

RandyT

[Fozzy The Bear]

For a great example of this, look at any monochrome vector game.  By their nature, the phosphor is exposed to much less energy on average because they don't scan like a raster display.  But, high intensity in concentrated areas actually will cause screen burn much more rapidly, even though the majority of the screen is hardly used.

Actually, that's a very good point Randy.... Much more so with monochrome XY Vector monitors than with colour ones.  Old Asteroids monitors always show pretty significant burn in the static areas. To a degree that's pretty much hidden when they're running, but it is very obvious when they're not.

The strange thing is that Colour Vector Monitors, for example Star Wars cabs... don't show anywhere near as much tendancy to burn. I strongly suspect that this is as a result of improvements in tubes between the 1970's and 1980's. But it could also be to do with the quality of power regulation in the later monitors.

Modern tubes show even less tendancy to burn, but as in the 18 Wheeler cab, they do still do it.

The worst of all are the rear projectors... Where the energy level on the tubes is very very high.  Again that's been solved in recent cabs which are using LCD's or  Plasma screens... Although Plasma's also have a few other temperature related problems.

Anyway! back on topic.....  As in my original reply... his best solution if he must leave the machine turned on and doesn't want to get noticable burn is really to have windows power saving turn the monitor off after 15 mins of no use.

Just a quick final note to anybody who finds me a bit blunt sometimes..... It's just me... It's part of being English...  don't take it too personally .

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[markrvp]

Just a quick final note to anybody who finds me a bit blunt sometimes..... It's just me... It's part of being English...  don't take it too personally .

No problem.  You've got a lot of good info!

[rlemmon]

Thanks for the help guys

[u_rebelscum]

Depends on what you mean by "burn in".  Seriously.

If random images show in the in the vertical bar, you won't see any burn in inside that video area.  And no burn in in in black bars, of course. 

The problem is that the vertical video area will have more wear than the black bars.  You won't notice it at all if you always run vertical games that cover the same video area (aka "at the same res").  But if you display a horizontal game (or normal windows etc), you will see that the black bars area look different than the more faded vertical video area.  With modern monitors, it will take awhile to be "bad", but it might bug some poeple even after a short while.

So if you ever plan to use the monitor horizontally, don't be surprised of "burn in", except seen in three large blocks, not the letters/numbers/image burn in most people think of as "burn in".


To sum up:
As others said, the letters/numbers/image burn in is not anymore likely with the vertical on horizontal than normal.
As other said, you will have burn in, but in large blocks not letters/numbers/image burn in, with the vertical on horizontal than normal.