Author Topic: P360 PROBLEM for DC and PS2!!!! (Read 3075 times)

Magneto · « **on:** February 14, 2003, 11:19:40 am »

i'm having a hard time trying to figure out why my 360s won't work properly. this is the problem:

i connect the ground wire to the common ground and i solder the +5V wire to the correct point on the pad (i tested it with a multimeter). now that i have done that, i begin to connect the directional wires to the respective places on the 360s, but it seems that everytime i connect the second directional wire, it goes haywire. ie:

- i hook up the UP wire to the UP on the 360s=nothing happens

- as soon as i hook up the DOWN wire, the joystick starts moving UP constantly without stopping until i unhook the DOWN wire

it seems as though the second wire that i hook up activates the previous wire. what the hell is the problem....i can't believe that it would be a solder problem because it does the exact same thing on both DC and PS2 and it works fine with 8-ways (i'm just changing out the joysticks because i'm using 8-ways as of now). somebody please help, it's pissing me off.

Magneto · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:17:03 pm »

anyone!?

rampy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:21:49 pm »

i had a little trouble following what you were saying... have you looked at some of the other very recent "how do I hook up 360's" threads in the main forum...

*shrug*

could you try explaining it again from the top... step by step.. and give your end goal as to what you wish to accomplish?

rampy

thread 1: if you read between the lines it is helpful...

You should also post exactly which pads you are trying to hack... you could be the one guy who picked two "wrong" pads from differnt consoles that are hard to hack.. not sure though as you didn't give specifics... *shrug*

another thread

Edit number 27...

Here's a GREAt thread for you to check out

hyiu · « **Reply #3 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:37:46 pm »

well... I don't own a P360 stick....
but can you try the following??...

if I understand correctly... P360 has 6 connections...
up/dn/left/right.... and then 5v and gnd...

you have hooked up 5V and gnd correctly...

now.. you hook up the first direction... nothing happens..
but if you hook the 2nd direction... it starts messing up..

what if... you just hook up the 5v + gnd + 1 direction... (like UP).....
don't hook anything else up....

and now.. you press up on the joystick..... does it register correctly ??.... (well.... if it does... then can you try disconnect the up.. and just hook the down... and press down on stick.. and see if it still does it correctly ??..

also.... you said you get 5V on the pad....
(you said you verified with meter...) now.... did you measure the voltage again when you're pressing buttons ??.... (did the voltage still stay 5V...) or did it marked on the circuit board its a 5v point ??...
or do you have a 5V transformer as temp supply you can use... (not using the pad's 5v ??...)

these might help isolate the problem....
plz let us know and this might let us have other insights to what your problem might be.....

Magneto · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:38:37 pm »

Quote from: rampy on February 14, 2003, 03:21:49 pm

i had a little trouble following what you were saying... have you looked at some of the other very recent "how do I hook up 360's" threads in the main forum...

*shrug*

could you try explaining it again from the top... step by step.. and give your end goal as to what you wish to accomplish?

rampy

thread 1: if you read between the lines it is helpful...

ok.....let me see....i have the ground wire from the p360s connected to the common ground on the pad (the same ground wire i used for the buttons themselves). i have also checked to see on the pad where i can get +5V from so i have the +5V wire connected to the pad where i can draw the +5V since i already tested it with a multimeter. now that i have those to wires connected (ground, +5V)...so now whenever i try to connected the directional wires (up,down,left,right)...this is the problem......let me explain:

- i hook up the UP wire...no response, everything else functions correctly so picture this:

U D L R (UP is hooked up)
l

- now then , i proceed to hook up the DOWN wire
U D L R
l l

AS soon as i connected the DOWN wire, UP activates by itself...for example, if i'm playing Streetfighter, my character keeps jumping over and over and never stops until i unhook the DOWN wire.

is this more clear?

Magneto · « **Reply #5 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:40:42 pm »

Quote from: hyiu on February 14, 2003, 03:37:46 pm

well... I don't own a P360 stick....
but can you try the following??...

if I understand correctly... P360 has 6 connections...
up/dn/left/right.... and then 5v and gnd...

you have hooked up 5V and gnd correctly...

now.. you hook up the first direction... nothing happens..
but if you hook the 2nd direction... it starts messing up..

what if... you just hook up the 5v + gnd + 1 direction... (like UP).....
don't hook anything else up....

and now.. you press up on the joystick..... does it register correctly ??.... (well.... if it does... then can you try disconnect the up.. and just hook the down... and press down on stick.. and see if it still does it correctly ??..

also.... you said you get 5V on the pad....
(you said you verified with meter...) now.... did you measure the voltage again when you're pressing buttons ??.... (did the voltage still stay 5V...) or did it marked on the circuit board its a 5v point ??...
or do you have a 5V transformer as temp supply you can use... (not using the pad's 5v ??...)

these might help isolate the problem....
plz let us know and this might let us have other insights to what your problem might be.....

that's the problem right there, when i hook up the UP wire, it doesn't registar at all. when i hook up the DOWN wire second, then it messes up. and also, what i just found out, whenever i have the P360 hooked up, the Voltage rating falls to about +2 1/2 V. so does taht mean i need 7 1/2 volts total.

+2 1/2V for all buttons and +5V for the p360s?

rampy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:46:04 pm »

Quote

Quote from: Magneto on February 14, 2003, 03:40:42 pm

that's the problem right there, when i hook up the UP wire, it doesn't registar at all. when i hook up the DOWN wire second, then it messes up. and also, what i just found out, whenever i have the P360 hooked uo, the Voltage rating falls to about +2 1/2 V. so does taht mean i need 7 1/2 volts total.

+2 1/2V for all buttons and +5V for the p360s?

jeez.. that doesn't sound right at all.. you may (or may not) want to try using a separate +5v source than your pad... *shrug* you still haven't mention *which* pads you are using...

Also a pic is worth a lot of words or something... can you take a pic or two?

Rampy

Magneto · « **Reply #7 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:47:48 pm »

Quote from: rampy on February 14, 2003, 03:46:04 pm

Quote
Quote from: Magneto on February 14, 2003, 03:40:42 pm

that's the problem right there, when i hook up the UP wire, it doesn't registar at all. when i hook up the DOWN wire second, then it messes up. and also, what i just found out, whenever i have the P360 hooked uo, the Voltage rating falls to about +2 1/2 V. so does taht mean i need 7 1/2 volts total.

+2 1/2V for all buttons and +5V for the p360s?

jeez.. that doesn't sound right at all.. you may (or may not) want to try using a separate +5v source than your pad... *shrug* you still haven't mention *which* pads you are using...

Also a pic is worth a lot of words or something... can you take a pic or two?

Rampy

PS2= Madcatz PS2 Dual Force 2
DC= Madcatz Dreampad.

hyiu · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:49:34 pm »

I could be wrong... but I would suggest you use a separate 5V power supply to the P360 instead of getting it from the pad... (I think that is your problem...)

can you at least try that ??.... cos you only hooked up like 3-4 wires.... nothing much could go wrong there....

if you supply 5v and it works correctly.. then it means the 5v you get from the pad is not working... (maybe its not a consistent 5v point..., maybe the voltage supplied is not strong enough - the load of the p360 is too much for that point...)

hope it helps....

Magneto · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:51:22 pm »

Quote from: hyiu on February 14, 2003, 03:49:34 pm

I could be wrong... but I would suggest you use a separate 5V power supply to the P360 instead of getting it from the pad... (I think that is your problem...)

can you at least try that ??.... cos you only hooked up like 3-4 wires.... nothing much could go wrong there....

if you supply 5v and it works correctly.. then it means the 5v you get from the pad is not working... (maybe its not a consistent 5v point..., maybe the voltage supplied is not strong enough - the load of the p360 is too much for that point...)

hope it helps....

where can i get a Seperate 5V adapter from?

rampy · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:55:57 pm »

Quote from: Magneto on February 14, 2003, 03:47:48 pm

PS2= PS2 Dual Force 2
DC= Dreampad.

Even though I'm not a console owner/hacker -> (dave_K , snaaaake where are you?) if i'm not mistaken the newer "dual shock" type ps/2 pads are more analog (even the buttons?) than digital and are harder to hack than cheaper/older ps or ps2 pads

not sure about the DC pad.. snaaaake swears by the mad katz ones though..

good luck..

rampy

hyiu · « **Reply #11 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:57:30 pm »

you can get 5v from PC easily...

USB cable has 5v.... or the PC power supply has 5v...

how about those old transofrmers ??.... that uses to power your radio.... charger.... etc....

cos I have those variable voltage transofrmers at home... (radio shack ones.... but they are very expensive...) :p
you can switch from like 3v to 12V.... (by 1.5V increments...)

Magneto · « **Reply #12 on:** February 14, 2003, 03:58:35 pm »

Quote from: rampy on February 14, 2003, 03:55:57 pm

Quote from: Magneto on February 14, 2003, 03:47:48 pm

PS2= PS2 Dual Force 2
DC= Dreampad.

Even though I'm not a console owner/hacker -> (dave_K , snaaaake where are you?) if i'm not mistaken the newer "dual shock" type ps/2 pads are more analog (even the buttons?) than digital and are harder to hack than cheaper/older ps or ps2 pads

not sure about the DC pad.. snaaaake swears by the mad katz ones though..

good luck..

rampy

that does make sense...but i guess i'm better off getting a seperate adapter. thanks for the help Hyiu and rampy.

hyiu · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2003, 04:02:07 pm »

I opened a madcatz xbox pad recently... (trying to hack that for my friend...) hee hee...

the analog buttons (trigger buttons) has 3 solder points...
so... I believe 1 is 5v (or whatever voltage)... 1 is gnd and 1 is the variable voltage... (if I do it right... I should be able to hack this....)

but the directional pad (not the analog one... the cross one) only has 5 connection... so... hacking them should be ok.... (just like other pads....)

Dave_K. · « **Reply #14 on:** February 14, 2003, 04:26:10 pm »

Magento, it sounds like the directional wires you are hooking up either have a voltage on them or ground potential on them. A couple things you can try to troubleshoot:

Hookup just the ground and +5 to p360. Verify with a multimeter using the probes against the p360 connections for ground and +5. Then take your up button wire, and just press it to the ground connection on the p360....this should "activate" the button, and you should see downward movement on the screen. If you don't see movement, then while down is pressed to the ground, check the voltage of the +5. If +5 is still there, then your pads aren't hacked correctly....remove p360 completely, and verify each directional connected to ground works. If the +5 drops when you ground the up wire, then you can't use +5 from the pad.

One more note. If you use +5 volts from an external wall adapter, you should NOT connect the apadter's ground and the pads ground to the same p360 connector. Place a diode inline with the hacked pads ground to the p360. This just ensures that you don't get any voltage back from the adapter into the pads ground.

Magneto · « **Reply #15 on:** February 14, 2003, 04:40:38 pm »

Quote from: Dave_K. on February 14, 2003, 04:26:10 pm

Magento, it sounds like the directional wires you are hooking up either have a voltage on them or ground potential on them. A couple things you can try to troubleshoot:

Hookup just the ground and +5 to p360. Verify with a multimeter using the probes against the p360 connections for ground and +5. Then take your up button wire, and just press it to the ground connection on the p360....this should "activate" the button, and you should see downward movement on the screen. If you don't see movement, then while down is pressed to the ground, check the voltage of the +5. If +5 is still there, then your pads aren't hacked correctly....remove p360 completely, and verify each directional connected to ground works. If the +5 drops when you ground the up wire, then you can't use +5 from the pad.

so basically, just hook up both ground and +5V wires first alone, then test each directional wire...but what exactly do i want to look for, to see while the UP wire is being activated, the 5v remains the same? how do i know if i hacked it correctly? if the voltage rating drops OR remains at 5v? i don't understand.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #16 on:** February 14, 2003, 05:55:47 pm »

Quote from: Magneto on February 14, 2003, 04:40:38 pm

so basically, just hook up both ground and +5V wires first alone, then test each directional wire...but what exactly do i want to look for, to see while the UP wire is being activated, the 5v remains the same? how do i know if i hacked it correctly? if the voltage rating drops OR remains at 5v? i don't understand.

Ok, maybe we should take a step back (remove all wires from the p360). To test weather you hacked your console pad correctly, just start a game, and take one button or direction wire, and touch it to the ground wire. Your character should move or punch/kick. Do this for each directional or button to make sure they all work. Then lets come back to hooking up to the P360 and determining if the +5 is good enough to power the p360.

Magneto · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2003, 06:07:23 pm »

Quote from: Dave_K. on February 14, 2003, 05:55:47 pm

Quote from: Magneto on February 14, 2003, 04:40:38 pm
so basically, just hook up both ground and +5V wires first alone, then test each directional wire...but what exactly do i want to look for, to see while the UP wire is being activated, the 5v remains the same? how do i know if i hacked it correctly? if the voltage rating drops OR remains at 5v? i don't understand.
Ok, maybe we should take a step back (remove all wires from the p360). To test weather you hacked your console pad correctly, just start a game, and take one button or direction wire, and touch it to the ground wire. Your character should move or punch/kick. Do this for each directional or button to make sure they all work. Then lets come back to hooking up to the P360 and determining if the +5 is good enough to power the p360.

everything does work correctly....i previously had 8-ways installed...all i was doing was swapping joysticks......lemme go home and try this to just to double check...i'll post an update later.

CthulhuLuke · « **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2003, 06:17:06 pm »

The dreamcast pad's will naturally draw about +5v from any pad it's grounded with, I've had this occur in 3 different cases, so I'm more than positive it's true. You might want to try this: disconnect the ground from the dreamcast to the buttons, so that only the psx grounds are working, then try to plug in the +5v source and see how your joysticks react. Also, make sure your +5v is truly working with a multimeter, and that you're not underpowering the system somehow.
-GOod Luck
-CthulhuLuke

Dave_K. · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2003, 08:23:40 pm »

CthulhuLuke, not to make things more confusing, but it didn't sound like he was running both hacked psx pads with dc pads at the same time.

CD_Vision · « **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2003, 10:59:15 pm »

I don't suppose that you wired to the "normally closed" prong on the switch by chance....

If that's not it check the continuity of your grounds to verify that they are not shorting any of the hot connections.

Dave_K. · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2003, 01:29:53 am »

Quote from: CD_Vision on February 15, 2003, 10:59:15 pm

I don't suppose that you wired to the "normally closed" prong on the switch by chance....

If that's not it check the continuity of your grounds to verify that they are not shorting any of the hot connections.

P360's don't have NC connextors.


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