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Author Topic: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cab, Ready to Customize! New cabinets coming soon!  (Read 5238 times)

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This thread is out of date. Please see the new thread for updated information:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=51992.0














Features:

<> Custom and unique design, ready for your customization. Skip the difficult design and woodworking process and get one step closer to your dream arcade cabinet.

<> Cabinet comes ready to assemble. All that's needed is a common screwdriver. It can be disassembled just as easily for transportation, storage, etc. This is the same peg and lock hardware that comes in furniture from Ikea and other furniture stores and gives the cabinet a very nice, professional, appearance.

<> Monitor ready. Will fit most 15
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2006, 04:23:34 pm »
Build Plans
Postponed indefinitely.

These plans step you through the process of getting the cab to the point pictured above (does not cover finishing cab). These are detailed plans that give very insightful help, along with a few extras. I wrote these for myself to organize the cuts and make it so any intricate work is done while the wood is still in larger form.



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<> Written instructions describing the build process.

<> Digital images of everything you need to build the cab (the side panel profile, shelf specifications, positions, cut order, etc) along with the original Microsoft Visio drawing so you can change things to your liking.

<> Pictures of the actual build.

<> The Anim8or files that were used in the numerous renders. These are full 3D images of the cabinet (note that they are purely for show, they are not a perfect translation of the plans).



Minimum required programs:
A program to view .bmp (bitmap) files.
A program to view .doc (Microsoft Word) files.

Recommended programs:
Microsoft Visio (for editing files and recalling measurements).
Anim8or (a free download, www.anim8or.com).



Purchasing:
Postponed indefinitely.
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2006, 07:12:49 pm »
I'm a big fan--and a big supporter--but the cost seems pretty pricey to me.

I'm not trying to be critical, but am curious to know your pricing model when there are kits for cocktail cabinets that are pretty close to your price, and some full cabs aren't much more expensive at the end of the day.

That is, given the price of $310 including shipping, why not just spend an extra $200ish and get a 6' cabinet?

Sorry if I'm the a-hole here; in comparison to, say, Ultracade, the price is nice, but in comparison to other solutions, I don't see the logic.

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Edited to add:  And just so I'm not calling you out on price without any sort of justification, reference:  http://www.arcadedepot.com/HTML/kits.html
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 07:16:23 pm »
I'm a big fan--and a big supporter--but the cost seems pretty pricey to me.

I'm not trying to be critical, but am curious to know your pricing model when there are kits for cocktail cabinets that are pretty close to your price, and some full cabs aren't much more expensive at the end of the day.

That is, given the price of $310 including shipping, why not just spend an extra $200ish and get a 6' cabinet?

Sorry if I'm the a-hole here; in comparison to, say, Ultracade, the price is nice, but in comparison to other solutions, I don't see the logic.

and only comes w/ the shell..........  Dont get me wrong it looks kool but one would end up spending twice that, if not more to outfit it... :'(

dont get me wrong.  I luv it, If I had $800.00 to blow, it would be in your direction.
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2006, 08:32:09 pm »
As always, thank you for your feedback. But I'm not entirely sure I follow you with your price complaint.

Yes, it is priced similarly to the cocktail cabinet shell. I don't see why this comes as a surprise. While I have heard great things about the arcade depot kits, it looks like the cocktail is a fairly basic box that could be created with nothing more than a circular saw and dowel jig. On the other hand, my bartop cabinet is a fairly complex, curvy cab, that requires quite a bit of work to get right. I actually had to order several bits just for this cab. Not to mention that this cabinet has a cam lock system that allows disassembling, compared to the permanent dowels of the cocktail cabinet. The cam locks cost quite a bit in hardware, plus the time spent aligning and drilling them. When compared, I think the size difference between a cocktail and a bartop is not enough of a discrepancy to make a large difference in price.

Why not spend an extra $200 and get a 6' cabinet? You tell me. If you are in the market for a bartop I'm sure you already have plenty of reasons. Maybe you don't have the space for a full cabinet. Maybe you want to start small and the get hang of arcade machines before going full-size. Maybe you don't want to invest in the cost of a full size cabinet (both the initial cost and the finishing cost will be much more). There are tons of reasons. In the end, if you want a cocktail, buy a cocktail, if you want a standup, buy a standup, if you want the coolest looking and most deluxe bartop on the market, buy my bartop.

I must concede though, the $60 shipping is more than I wanted to charge. But I have checked into it, and that is as cheap as I could get it. However, I did manage to get the sizes under the limits for normal mail, meaning that it doesn
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2006, 11:08:38 pm »
keep up the good work!!

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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2006, 11:32:47 pm »
I must concede though, the $60 shipping is more than I wanted to charge. But I have checked into it, and that is as cheap as I could get it.

Since you say you're not offended by the price comments, I'll just note that my entire cocktail cab only cost $35 to ship to me, and I'd bet money that it didn't cost the seller any more than that $35 since he has sold a number of his coctail kits over a long period of time and was still selling them at $35 shipping.   $60 for shipping does seem a bit high if this other guy can ship an entire cocktail cab for less than $35.

Your bartops do look cool though.
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2006, 11:36:20 pm »
With the "$15 value" in your first post... does that mean you are looking to sell your plans for $15 a pop?

Just wondering.
first off your and idiot

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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2006, 11:52:53 pm »
I must concede though, the $60 shipping is more than I wanted to charge. But I have checked into it, and that is as cheap as I could get it.

Since you say you're not offended by the price comments, I'll just note that my entire cocktail cab only cost $35 to ship to me, and I'd bet money that it didn't cost the seller any more than that $35 since he has sold a number of his coctail kits over a long period of time and was still selling them at $35 shipping.   $60 for shipping does seem a bit high if this other guy can ship an entire cocktail cab for less than $35.

Your bartops do look cool though.

not to mention you have to put it together. 

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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2006, 01:51:01 am »
Since you say you're not offended by the price comments, I'll just note that my entire cocktail cab only cost $35 to ship to me, and I'd bet money that it didn't cost the seller any more than that $35 since he has sold a number of his coctail kits over a long period of time and was still selling them at $35 shipping.   $60 for shipping does seem a bit high if this other guy can ship an entire cocktail cab for less than $35.

Your bartops do look cool though.
How he shipped it for $35, I don
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2006, 02:14:35 am »
I personally thing it's pretty cool looking. The way I see it - I don't have the tools to make this unit. I'd probably be looking at least a couple hundred for me to build this thing.

Different strokes for different folks.

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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2006, 08:25:22 am »
Very nice design.  Fit and finish looks excellent.

You might also want to talk to Mr. Bobblehead about shipping because that does sound awfully high.   IMO, the sticker shock of the shipping alone "might" scare off some potential customers.

This thread (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=47466.0) shows how you could finish and populate one of these bartops on the cheap.

Good luck.

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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2006, 12:59:11 pm »
As always, thank you for your feedback. But I'm not entirely sure I follow you with your price complaint.

Okay, then in simpler terms:  It's too high.  Especially when you've 1, maybe 2 sheets of particle board, etc. to make the entire cabinet shell.

Yes, it is priced similarly to the cocktail cabinet shell. I don't see why this comes as a surprise.
And again in simpler terms:  A cocktail cabinet is... BIGGER and when you have bigger, you have more materials and you expect to pay more when it comes to things like... furniture.  When you're paying for something like a cell phone and the Industrial Design footprint and the minute parts that carry the functionality need to be jammed into a tiny casing, then you expect a higher price.

In this case, less is more and that does not seem at all right.  And as has been stated, the shipping is pretty damn high.  I just shipped an 84lb refrigerator from Illinois to Georgia via UPS for a grand total of $67.

While I have heard great things about the arcade depot kits, it looks like the cocktail is a fairly basic box that could be created with nothing more than a circular saw and dowel jig. On the other hand, my bartop cabinet is a fairly complex, curvy cab, that requires quite a bit of work to get right. I actually had to order several bits just for this cab. Not to mention that this cabinet has a cam lock system that allows disassembling, compared to the permanent dowels of the cocktail cabinet. The cam locks cost quite a bit in hardware, plus the time spent aligning and drilling them. When compared, I think the size difference between a cocktail and a bartop is not enough of a discrepancy to make a large difference in price.

I disagree.  See above.

Additionally, when researching over the summer, I contacted a CNC shop.  The cost for me to mass-manufacture all of the pieces for 10 full size cabinets was somewhere in the $1500 - $2000 range, and there's a range of error there as I am going from memory, but I do not recall a sticker shock of anything more than somewhere around $1800.

Why is it that you're not going some route such as this?  Surely the upfront costs could be a little intimidating, but I'm willing to bet that with a lower sticker price you could generate pre-order commitment and cover your costs in a few orders.

Why not spend an extra $200 and get a 6' cabinet? You tell me. If you are in the market for a bartop I'm sure you already have plenty of reasons. Maybe you don't have the space for a full cabinet. Maybe you want to start small and the get hang of arcade machines before going full-size. Maybe you don't want to invest in the cost of a full size cabinet (both the initial cost and the finishing cost will be much more). There are tons of reasons. In the end, if you want a cocktail, buy a cocktail, if you want a standup, buy a standup, if you want the coolest looking and most deluxe bartop on the market, buy my bartop.

And I'll disagree again. We had a lot of discussions with you in regards to buying these types of cabinets.  I don't recall any of the above rationale and I don't think I would be so bold as to call yours the coolest looking, most deluxe when almost everything ends up being personalized post-build of the cabinet.

I'm in the market for a bartop because I want one.  I want an additional unit that can be played while hanging out when others are banging the hell out of my trackball playing Golden Tee or so my kid can hang out with Pac Man or so it can look cool.

But I'm not going to invest $310 to get it to my doorstep and then drop in a box which is another ~$200 and then get moving ahead on such things like the artwork and control panel and monitor.

Granted, not everyone's going to be in that shape; for me, having spare computers and monitors around is common--and probably a little common for a lot of the folks on here so we're looking for an additional "cool" factor for our bar in the basement or for our kids or something else.

More simply put:  $150 is where reasonable appears to sit for me.  Maybe my built-in "deal hound" nature is driving that mental price, but when I compare size and parts, etc. to something like Mameroom's cabinet kit for $460 compared to your $250, the math just doesn't work for me.  It doesn't have to, though--it has to work for you and for people who buy from you.

I must concede though, the $60 shipping is more than I wanted to charge. But I have checked into it, and that is as cheap as I could get it. However, I did manage to get the sizes under the limits for normal mail, meaning that it doesn

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2006, 10:11:07 pm »
Just for the record, tahnok100, I'm more than willing to delete my post in this thread. 

I genuinely only posted my thoughts after reading that you didn't mind the feedback.  That being said, this is your for sale thread and, in the end, the pricing is completely up to you.  Whether it's what I'd personally pay or not is my business and doesn't necessarily belong here. Just as I wouldn't picket a Starbucks just because I'm not willing to pay $6 for a cup of coffee.   If you want to maintain the focus of what you have "for sale" and eliminate the pricing debate, I'll remove my posts.   Just let me know.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2006, 11:10:51 pm »
Fair enough, and I'll extend the same courtesy.

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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cabinets for Sale, Ready to Customize!
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2006, 12:56:23 am »
No, of course not. We have both stated our reasons, there are no problems.

Anyway, I'm looking to get my money back out of this cab, so I have posted it on ebay with a starting bid quite a bit lower than the original price ($119.00). Shipping will actually be calculated to your house, probably in the area of the mentioned $60, but no guarantees. It could be more or less, depending on where you live. Link below:

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i think it is a nice looking cab :)  it give the option to finish the art , i like that ..
$119 + shipping lets say $50 that $170   for that price i will like to get one :)

ps: i love the design ...

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The auction ends tonight! Get in on this quick because the price is already climbing!

If anyone is wondering, I am looking into getting some cabinets cut with a CNC router. These cabinets are going to be superior to the cabinet that is on ebay right now, but will probably cost a little bit more than that one (more than the ebay price).

Also, some may have noticed that the plans are not being released at this time. Of course, this also means that if you buy direct from me you will not receive the plans (the ebay auction never offered them).
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Re: Empty Bartop/Countertop Cab, Ready to Customize! Auction ending tonight!
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2006, 11:47:24 pm »
Sold for $154.49, not including shipping.

As mentioned, I am looking into getting more made with a CNC router. They will probably cost a little bit more than what this one sold for, but they will be amazing cabinets. Contact me for information regarding bulk ordering.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2006, 02:22:00 am »
Very nice looking cab. Don't let the haters bring you down. This would add some nice varity to the game. This is defintly a better deal then the neo-geo ones out, and I would probably make something like that out of it. If it could do vert it would be fun for shooters and old schools I would think too.

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2006, 03:32:57 pm »
Very nice looking cab. Don't let the haters bring you down. This would add some nice varity to the game. This is defintly a better deal then the neo-geo ones out, and I would probably make something like that out of it. If it could do vert it would be fun for shooters and old schools I would think too.

Thanks.

Well, if anyone wanted to buy a small run (probably 6-10), then I could modify the design and add a little bit of height to it for a vertical monitor. I won't do a vertical run by myself though since it raises compatibility issues (monitors are less likely to fit).
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2006, 04:25:58 pm »
Glad to see you decided to go the CNC route.  It makes much better sense (for you) from the construction time aspect.  If the CNC company is not local to you, I assume you have investigated "drop-shipping."  That might help keep costs down some (not having the consumer absorb two shipping costs).  IMO, $150 might be the upper limit (excluding S&H) that the BYAOC market will bear.  I'd be suprised if you get any bulk orders as it would be cheaper to design one up yourself and contact one of the numerous CNC shops to handle the actual work.  Which is why, I'm sure, you no longer offer the CAD plans. :)

Good luck with the venture.  The design is rather unique and you have the possibility of selling a bunch of them.

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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2006, 06:32:25 pm »
Glad to see you decided to go the CNC route.  It makes much better sense (for you) from the construction time aspect.  If the CNC company is not local to you, I assume you have investigated "drop-shipping."  That might help keep costs down some (not having the consumer absorb two shipping costs).  IMO, $150 might be the upper limit (excluding S&H) that the BYAOC market will bear.  I'd be suprised if you get any bulk orders as it would be cheaper to design one up yourself and contact one of the numerous CNC shops to handle the actual work.  Which is why, I'm sure, you no longer offer the CAD plans. :)

Good luck with the venture.  The design is rather unique and you have the possibility of selling a bunch of them.

I have looked into drop shipping, and I just can't make it work. The only way that it would maybe work is if I had the shop send the main cabinet and then send a separate package with the smaller parts, which still wouldn't cut down on the cost that much.

Yes, I am finding that BYOAC is not the market for these. I have been contacted though by several people who saw it on ebay regarding ordering up to 10 units. And yes, that is one of the reasons I have pulled the plans.
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