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For the last few days, Ive found myself with part of an IDE cable in my hand and an Xact-o knife slicing off the insulation.  Not the safest, but not the best job to do either.  I wonderred if it would be better to just use the IDE cable and make 3 custom boards that would split it into terminal strips!  I had already bought about 200 strips of 3's and thought it would be great!

You would put one board on each control panel you have, and wire all the controls to the board.  When youre ready to change panels, you unplug the IDE cable, slide your panel out, and hook the new one up!  Seems simple at a small cost!

But then, if I print them myself, I need to buy etchant and special paper.  If I go to a small company, they charge around 2 bucks for the board (not soldermasked or silkscreened...) and a 15 dollar setup fee... hardly worth it unless you run in quantities!

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So, the question is, who would be interested in a 2.5 x .5" circuit board that would connect their minipac to terminal strips?  Im not sure of the price, but Im guessing it'll be around 10 dollars because terminal blocks are like 60 cents a shot!  If I can find some on eBay again, Ill do that, but otherwise... it really depends on interest.

Who's with me?
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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2006, 12:10:21 pm »
Are you saying you've bought 200 terminal strips with three connections each for 60-cents?

I found a place with the 'european style' terminal strips with 18 connections (I think) for something like $1  THe shipping on one or two (which is all I needed) was too much, but I bookmarked it for a potential bulk-buy in the future.  If you want, I'll see if I can find it.
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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2006, 12:29:53 pm »
No Im saying that PCB terminal strips tend to be around 60 cents for a 3 prong one.  I bought 200 from ebay for around 10 bucks, and if I can find more of those then it'll lower the price of the boards, but Im not even gonna look if theres no preorders or anything.

I orderred the 200 for myself personally but If these boards get sold then I can order more that way, lower the cost of the board, and everyones happy.

Interested?  Anyone?

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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2006, 04:56:25 pm »
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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2006, 05:18:50 pm »
So you're going to make something like the graphic attached to this msg?

If so, I'm in.
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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2006, 05:22:01 pm »
Wait though... does it have to be a minipac? If what you're imagining IS like my gracphic.. couldn't it be for any encoder? Just a generic ribbon cable attacher...
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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2006, 05:42:46 pm »
Sorta... its more in the shape of an iPac because it has terminal strips along both sides and just a header in the middle.  I could make it generic, but I based it around a BASIC pinout of the minipac, allowing 2 player controls and a trackball + spinner.

If people wanna pay for the extra board size and the terminals I can make it something like 18 along each side and 3 down an edge with the header in the center...

That way, there's 39 blocks... 40 of the IDE cable minus the first pin which usually has no function.

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So since I cant add another poll, which module would people prefer?  The more expensive, but more useful 39 terminal one, or the alternate one with like 30?

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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2006, 10:06:47 pm »
39. 

I think there is a real market for this.

Here is a picture of the one Hagstrom Electronics offers for their KE72 encoder.


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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2006, 10:31:35 pm »
Yeah, sorta like that, except its a long and skinny board rather than a square, since you pay for size and it seems more effective this way...

I was gonna ditch the silkscreening and just post a documentation or give a sheet of paper w/ the pinouts.  This way, I can make doublesided boards, save money, sell cheaper.  Im really not making much (if any) money on these, im really just supplying parts, and most likely solderring it all together.

Good part is, people can request only the board for like 3 bucks :)  So, 3 boards interest so far...  not enough for an order.... keep it going!

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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2006, 10:49:08 pm »
Yeah, rectangular is better.

I'm in for 3 boards.

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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2006, 10:52:44 pm »
Okay, make that about 10 boards so far, since I want more than one and you want 3.

Thanks for helpin me out, builds my confidence :P  LOL  :)

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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2006, 01:10:57 pm »
The Minipac has two input connectors, one for the digital controls and one for the analog controls (I think that's how they're divided). Are you planning to support ALL of the inputs, or just the digital inputs?



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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2006, 01:30:54 pm »
The iPac has two headers.  The small one only provides power and ground points for your trackball.  The large header provides all buttons and trackball and spinner inputs.  I will be supporting the large header only, which will allow you to connect all your buttons, your mouse clicks, your trackball, and your spinner.  Getting power from the iPac is a different story, but its much simpler since its only a 10 pin header and only like 5 pins are actually used, so you can use any old QD and attach it to two prongs... simple.

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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2006, 05:00:59 pm »
The new board would also support the KeyWiz Eco2 non-solder, GP-Wiz non-solder, GP-Wiz40 non-solder (as well as the MK40 and MK64's, and Hagstrom encoders).
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Re: Minipac "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2006, 05:39:22 pm »
Good point, intended for minpacs though.  Use it as you will.

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2006, 05:47:29 pm »
Yeah, two of the ones I am ordering are for GP-Wiz 49 Ecos (no solder).  Anything with a standard IDE header.

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2006, 05:49:59 pm »
Maybe this will gather more interest now that it supports more :)  Hopefully they all leave pin one empty.

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2006, 10:41:33 pm »
I'd throw in for 2.

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2006, 10:53:14 pm »
Fantastic!  If I hit around the 30 mark Ill place an order, spend my only money left on these boards :P  Hopefully I make a buck a board or so, so I can get my USB control boards done...

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2006, 07:30:52 pm »
How much are they going to be? I'm in for $60 worth.... if they're the 39 pin ones.

And let me make sure.

You're going to supply a board with presoldered wire-crimp and IDE cable connectors. Right?
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2006, 07:40:15 pm »
I would be selling a board with a 40 pin IDE header and terminal strips running along the side for 10 bucks USD.

The board will be just some plain circuit board with the green coating on it (epoxy soldermask), no white writing on it (silkscreening) since it adds to the price and it also wont help at all since its premade and since the configuration of the pins will come on a different sheet because it supports many modules.

If I can get more of the terminal blocks for cheaper, I *might* lower the price, it really depends on the costs to me... since Im not really out to make a profit... although a buck a board for all the solderring wouldnt hurt ;)

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2006, 07:48:25 pm »
Just contacted the manufacturer to see if he's got any more bags of terminal strips.  If each board uses 13 strips, then thats only like 1.75 or so for the amount of terminal strips I use.  The board will only come out to about 4 dollars or so, due to the soldermasking and setup fees.  The IDE header should be fairly cheap;  I orderred some and forgot how much they cost, Ill look soon.  Shipping of all materials adds on another .75 - 1.00 per board, so it might come up just about right.

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2006, 12:12:58 pm »
Despite the fact that I have no current use for this, I'd still buy a few to have on hand for future projects. Looks like a great item to me.

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2006, 02:49:33 pm »
I'd buy one for sure, maybe more.

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2006, 05:10:45 pm »
Despite the fact that I have no current use for this, I'd still buy a few to have on hand for future projects. Looks like a great item to me.

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I'm in the same boat.  I don't really have a need for one right now, but I'd probably grab one or two just to have around.
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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2006, 05:31:38 pm »
Fantastic!  Ill put an order in for the boards within 2 days.  First few boards I can do right away since I have terminal strips (they were 20 bucks, not 10, my bad) and the rest will have to wait :P  I also think I have like 5 sets of pin headers coming so...

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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2006, 06:11:37 pm »
Fantastic!  Ill put an order in for the boards within 2 days.  First few boards I can do right away since I have terminal strips (they were 20 bucks, not 10, my bad) and the rest will have to wait :P  I also think I have like 5 sets of pin headers coming so...

Just to be clear, the terminal blocks you bought were 200 for $20 right?  You weren't saying that the cost of the boards you are making would be $20, right?

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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2006, 06:22:39 pm »
Of course!  The terminal blocks were 20 dollars, not 10 like I thought.  The boards will still remain at 10 dollars USD, as planned.  So far, if everyone who says "Ill buy one" actually buys them, then there should be no problems...

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2006, 07:15:37 pm »
The quick disconnect connectors that I have to wire up for every panel is my machine's greatest achilles heel. I don't wanna have 6 ethernet cables or 10 usb cables or 2 or 3 molex connectors so I custom wire up 37 pin connectors, and no matter what, they're the weak link whenever there is a problem. If I have to pay in advance, I don't care. I'm buying 6 from you, or whoever, but that's one problem I need to fix.
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2006, 07:18:41 pm »
Oh, its pathetic eh!  You have like 10 cables PER PANEL that you've got to hook up!  Insane how simple yet irritating it can be!

Paying in advance, well, thats not necessary at all, but if anyone is up to it, it would make the whole process go alot quicker... I could order the parts basically ASAP, and youve definately got a money back guarantee....

Didnt think of that, but wouldnt recommend it either.  I wouldnt pay someone in advance, if you have enough trust for it, speeds up the process for me!

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« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2006, 10:50:03 am »
I orderred the PCB's today, about 5 minutes ago.  The website quotes a "Manufacture Time: 1 week" but doesn't have that good of a reputation, so we'll see how this goes.  I was very strict with my order and how I expect my boards to be completed in one week and shipped (with tracked shipping) within one to two days of that...

If all works out well, these boards should be at my doorstep in two weeks.  I will report on how good the service is, after I receive my boards and solder a few of them up.  Hopefully they're good, since the price is right, and I will be able to order my other board from them with confidence.

As soon as I get my boards, five of them should be able to go out the first day, the rest will have to wait for additional parts.

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2006, 12:10:57 pm »
Got terminals, ---smurfette---?

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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2006, 12:25:52 pm »
Will you post international? (To the UK?)

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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2006, 12:43:39 pm »
Put me down for the first 5.... and then another one later.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2006, 01:11:34 pm »
Ill send it wherever you want, does not matter at all to me, shipping might hurt your wallet though.  Im not sure how much it is, but it *seems* like for 2 to the US its around 6.50 - 9 dollars and the packaging.  No clue about the UK, but it might not be pretty.

I have enough terminal strips to build 15 boards.  I orderred 5x 40-pin headers like a week ago for a different project, but I could use them on this instead and order another 30 of them.  Im seeing if I can get the last bag of terminal blocks for the origional price, because he's now charging twice as much.

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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2006, 02:32:17 pm »
Put me down for the first 5.... and then another one later.

You just took out 1/3rd of my stock! :P  I doubt you'll get that other board later on, unless this goes really well and I can start selling casually like Randy and Andy, where they've always got some stock ready.  As I said, orderred 30 PCBs, 5 headers and 15 sets of terminal strips.  That means I can only make 5 at the moment, another 10 later on, and the last 15 after that.

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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2006, 03:20:13 pm »
What I mean to say... I'll take 6 immediately... and especially the first five.
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Re: Minipac/Keywiz/GP-Wiz "breakout" terminal strip board.... interest?
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2006, 03:24:22 pm »
Gotcha!  The first five go depending on who pays first :P  I got a pre-order for 2 of them already, so you may only get the remaining first 3  8)  Im going to order the headers from the same place as the PCB so all the parts should come at the same time....  still hoping on a response.

Now, damn you might say, that is alot of terminals  (in "End of ze world" they say something like that, but about missiles :P  EDIT:  "Now damn, that is a sweet earth, you might say")
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2006, 07:59:24 pm »
Just let me know where to send the cash / paypal.
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Do me a favor and confirm *before* you send any money... helps me out when im accounting for money and marking people as paid and stuff.

I accept any type of payment possible, money's money -- no paypal fees either...  assuming theres not a huge loss....  but *please* somehow send me your name and address, either on a piece of paper, as a return address, or in the NOTE section of paypal.
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