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Author Topic: Greed - 20/20  (Read 12210 times)

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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2005, 10:38:50 pm »
Personally, I'd love to see a return to the "Wild West" mentality.
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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2005, 11:27:43 pm »
So how do we make the government be more responsible & careful about spending?  The "greater good" *should* be what we want.  Is there an unbiased site that summarizes what the House & Senate did that day so I don't have to watch C-Span?
Why don't you make one? Why do you make it sound like someone else should doing this for you, instead of volunteering your time to one of the current sites to try and improve it?   ???

Sure it's not easy, but at least you would be doing something about the problem instead of expecting someone else to fix it for you, then complaining when they have a different idea of what "fixed" means.    :police:
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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #122 on: November 30, 2005, 12:32:04 am »

I cannot understand that this concept is so difficult to understand.


I'm guessing it's because your government works on a "who will outgive the other person" and you don't see a problem with that, since they're working towards what YOU believe to be the better way to get things done.

If it were that easy, MrC would be trumpeting Mr Kerry's surrender at this very moment, rather than the wailing and gnashing of teeth he undergoes on a daily basis.  You have the power to effect change in your city the easiest, and every level of government added onto it only makes your ability to effect change harder and harder.  You may be able to turn your entire state around to your way of thinking, at which point, you have to turn those cute wi'il representatives out into the cruel world of politics, where they are effective only if the general apathetic population makes their collective sighs known to enough people who might also agree with them.  Then they have to decide with the rest of the electorate whether or not to continue what they're doing, keeping themselves in control of certain stashes of money and power, and whether or not the fight with "the other side" is better fought another day, and instead today they'll sell their principles out for some token show of capitulation on something that more than likely DOESN'T serve "the greater good".


You guys continue to throw up defense and public safety officials.  No one ever seems willing to admit that if spending on such stupid things (like CONCRETE instead of asphalt for roads would cost more initially, save more in the long run, and require less taxation, or allow direction of the difference in those two options to be spent on hiring more policemen) were ever actually thought about, we COULD spend more money on "greater good" things.  Of course, we're back to your scenario of the people who currently DON'T do these things being the ones in charge of the cash register ::)  It's the waste.  Period.  The greed of politicians to bring money back from D.C. to their home state for projects that make little to no difference in "the greater good". 

Why is it so difficult to understand the concept that spending a million dollars in one of our fine states to erect a monument to the fine Swedish people would better serve "the greater good" by hiring 1 more cop?  Now, take this one stupid example, multiply it by 50, and then just TRY to get a handle on the stupidity of spending by those people you think are better suited to look out for "the greater good", even though by your own words they're individuals incapable of doing something good because they're greedy.

Folks like MrC, Grasshopper, Shmokes, Stingray, etc DID vote to remove the people they thought were doing a terrible job.  So did I.  Please tell us if it solved the problems I'm specifically addressing, not some ephemeral "police, health care, environment, blah blah blah".  The ENTIRE government, BOTH sides of the aisle, need to realize they're spending OUR money so poorly.  I can't believe you AREN'T incensed at some of the ways YOUR government pisses money away, since clearly if they DIDN'T, they'd be able to take care of MORE of the problems you want to try to cure in your society.

We're not talking about small amounts either.  There's some third-world countries out there that would give your left arm for the amount governments like ours piss away yearly on things that do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for "the greater good". 

A return to the old west?  Meh.  Might actually work out better than what's currently being done.  Jbox seems to have a better idea, but I can already see people griping about that concept because "we can't afford it, but they can".  It's a personal responsibility thing with his concept.  Who's the greedy person in his concept?  The person who thought ahead, or the person who figured they'd piss money away because they didn't see the need to think about their future?

That may speak to excess more than greed though.
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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #123 on: November 30, 2005, 12:52:25 am »
Too much stuff to read through here... i'll just say how about the playoff bound Giants and stuff.

OH YEAH.


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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #124 on: November 30, 2005, 01:06:49 am »
Too much stuff to read through here... i'll just say how about the playoff bound Giants and stuff.

OH YEAH.


Plex.

Does this mean if the Giants weren't going anywhere that you might have disappeared forever?  You haven't had the cojones to show your face around here and NOW you're gonna crap up threads with your stupid boasting?  Someone, for the good of BYOAC, twist Tiki Barber's ankle.  Tommy might be around...well....until the football season starts next year and he runs and hides in the basement until he thinks it's safe to come out

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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #125 on: November 30, 2005, 01:13:36 am »
Too much stuff to read through here... i'll just say how about the playoff bound Giants and stuff.

OH YEAH.


Plex.

Does this mean if the Giants weren't going anywhere that you might have disappeared forever? 

No, i would have just had a beer and not mentioned the three kicks our kicker missed to lose the game three times.


Edit- I am a good thread crapper upper.

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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #126 on: November 30, 2005, 05:31:26 am »
Drew,

I'm am talking about legislation or taxation to help clean products be more competitive. While you seem to keep on ranting about government efficiency. I'm quite unsure what the link is.

What your line of thinking does prove is that greed messes up (corrupts) a government too. So in that sense, you have shown greed to be a bad thing.

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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2005, 01:52:01 pm »
http://www.yahoo.com/s/263455

Brent Wilkes, the founder of defense contractor ADCS Inc., gave more than $840,000 in contributions to 32 House members or candidates,
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With help from two committee chairmen, ADCS got more than $90 million in government contracts since its founding in 1995, helping propel Wilkes from an obscure businessman to a millionaire prominent in Republican circles.


So how do we make the government be more responsible & careful about spending?  The "greater good" *should* be what we want.  Is there an unbiased site that summarizes what the House & Senate did that day so I don't have to watch C-Span?
Why don't you make one? Why do you make it sound like someone else should doing this for you, instead of volunteering your time to one of the current sites to try and improve it?   ???

Sure it's not easy, but at least you would be doing something about the problem instead of expecting someone else to fix it for you, then complaining when they have a different idea of what "fixed" means.    :police:

Why should we have to summarize someone elses job?  There should be quick summary of everything that goes on at capital hill.  That way we would be able to hold people accountable for their actions and be able to see through the "spin" that always comes in during election campaigns.

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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2005, 02:20:38 pm »
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For a long time I wanted so badly to be put in charge because I knew I was better educated then the "slobbering masses".
ROTFLMA

I say the same thing at work.  If I was in charge there would be changes made by god!

Cooter, what's surprsing about my comments? It's a typical conservative viewpoint.  Government needs to be kept out of as many things as possible, not included. That's a "small government" concept.  Maybe deep down, you are a conservative  ;)

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I cannot understand that this concept is so difficult to understand. Obviously in any government money will be wasted, but do you think the US would be better off if there was no government? It was mentioned before, but what about defense, police, education, health care and care for the environment?
Provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare? Where have I heard that before? Huh?

The "government" does all that. What's different is what we believe is "care".  Take "care" of the environment.  Does that mean we leave it totally alone? Does that mean we strip the forrests and then replant them? What exactly does that mean?  Does it mean we take "care" of it so that we drain the wetlands and establish farms and homes ? 
Obviously in any government money will be wasted. Why? because it is constantly being pushed and pulled by political winds.

The US doesn't have socialized medicine. Just Medicare, and that is for the disabled and the old and retired only.  Other than that, it's welfare.  And those systems are plagued by mis-use and fraud in the billions.  They can't keep track of what they have now, let alone adding 250,000,000 more.

As far as "voting for the Wrong Government", I side with Drew, it doesn't matter which side of the isle you are on.  By it's very nature it's unresponsive. The bigger it gets, the more unresponsive it becomes to individuals or even small groups.

That's what keeping it small is all about. Keep it small, lean, and responsive.



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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #129 on: November 30, 2005, 05:24:08 pm »
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For a long time I wanted so badly to be put in charge because I knew I was better educated then the "slobbering masses".
ROTFLMA

I say the same thing at work.  If I was in charge there would be changes made by god!

Not my quote. And in any case completely irrelevant to the points I made.
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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #130 on: December 01, 2005, 10:07:11 am »
Obviously in any government money will be wasted.
Again with this "money waste" issue and the government being crap anyway. What does this have to do with the point I brought up. Why do I even respond again since I said I gave up?
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« Reply #131 on: December 01, 2005, 11:50:28 am »
You are right Grasshopper, you didn't say that.  Jbox did. That doesn't mean I am not still ROTFLMA.

I misquoted Jbox when it was you in this thread too.  I get you two mixed up for some reason? 

Patrickl, I dunno what point you were making. I really don't. I didn't see a point other than you didn't like Drew's points.

I guess what we are getting from this thread then is  "Greed is bad, Okay?"

Well, I've learned alot! I'll try and convince my coworkers that we are laboring for the greedy underbelly of the man.  We should all rise up and tell our customers and suppliers that we won't make those nasty consumer goods anymore.

We should all just try and get along, set down an commune with each other and nature, and try and figure out what will benifit us all the most.  We shouldn't allow "greed" to interfere with the "greater good".  We should try and make our products clean!

 I'll also suggest that we only elect the best most qualified people for our political offices.

Yep, they'll be thrilled I'm sure.  I will be so respected for these great ideas! Maybe I'll get a promotion!
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Re: Greed - 20/20
« Reply #132 on: December 02, 2005, 04:42:35 am »
[quote author=fredster link=topic=45760.msg446121#msg446121 Patrickl, I dunno what point you were making. I really don't. I didn't see a point other than you didn't like Drew's points.
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The point is still in the message where I made it. It got snowed under by bridges to nowhere and statues for swedes. I guess to some people the "G" word is like a red rag in front of a bull. No normal conversation is possible beyond that point.

I guess that's what I have learnt most from this. The people who feel most that the US should spread it's "freedom" around (meaning form of government) are so deeply dissatisfied with their own government that they'd rather get rid of it. OK that actually makes sense. Export the whole lot to Iraq and be done with it I guess. Never mind.
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