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this is very sad
« on: November 01, 2005, 07:35:03 pm »
cant beleive that some pepole have the guts to sale this !!!!

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2005, 07:41:50 pm »
$10 shipping  ???

Isn't it also against the law to also have the ROMs and emulators in the same package? :police: :police: :police:
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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2005, 07:47:38 pm »
I wonder if I can sell backup DVD movies?

Just $5 per DVD + $10 shipping & handling per order...
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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2005, 09:40:17 pm »
Not only selling roms, and emulators but the guy stole a scene from that Arcade84 video for his/her cover art.

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2005, 11:04:27 pm »
Not only selling roms, and emulators but the guy stole a scene from that Arcade84 video for his/her cover art.



that true ....

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2005, 11:24:52 pm »
cant beleive that some pepole have the guts to sale this !!!!

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2005, 11:28:17 pm »
You guys should chill.

If it does sell for $10.01 how much is he making after Ebay fees, postage, material and time spent?

Is it better to pay to join a usenet group to download the roms? What's the freakin' difference?

All of us started in this hobby with little or no knowledge of how to get roms. I remember downloading roms off of www.mame.dk one at a time before they shut it down.

Some people act like only they are allowed to have the roms because they know where to get them. Get off your high horses. Not everyone knows about burners or Mame. Think about the newbies.

And don't give me the crap about the copyright holders getting pissed and shutting everything down because we have no right to own the rom to Mr. Do's Castle or whatever unless we own the original PCB. Guess what, most of the old companies are long gone and the ones that aren't don't make a dime if you buy an old PCB off of Ebay or where ever in order to be "legal". Plus, there are so many people out there with roms now that they will NEVER disappear anyway.

It's like the whole downloading a bootleg movie issue. The people who do it would never go see the movie in the first place. Therefore they are not missing a sale of any kind. You think anyone in their right mind would actually line up like a sheep to see a piece of crap like Flightplan!? Errr......It made over $100 million....Alot of sheep in this world I guess.

There is my rant. Enjoy it.

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2005, 12:35:39 am »
Some people act like only they are allowed to have the roms because they know where to get them. Get off your high horses. Not everyone knows about burners or Mame.

Think about the newbies.

Yeah! I think we should have a sticky for newbies with links to all the roms as well  ::)

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2005, 12:46:21 am »
I have a feeling this thread is going to get ugly

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2005, 12:47:37 am »
You guys should chill.

Why, because you say so?  I think people have a right to be outraged about this kind of thing. Just about anyone here could unfairly profit from this hobby by doing what this individual is doing, yet they don't because they realise the damage potential.

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If it does sell for $10.01 how much is he making after eBay fees, postage, material and time spent?

This is irrelevant, but at least $8.  Probably more if the auction makes it to the end.  As for his time, be sure to give the guy who rips off your computer $20 when the cops bring it back to you.  It did, after all, take him a half hour plus gas to drive to your house.

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And don't give me the crap about the copyright holders getting pissed and shutting everything down...

It's not crap.  Why do you think mame.dk, where you said you got your roms from, was shut down? 

Illegal mainstream distribution, especially for money, will wake the sleeping giants.  And everyone, including the newbies, will be adversely affected when this happens.


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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2005, 12:53:30 am »
You guys should chill.

If it does sell for $10.01 how much is he making after Ebay fees, postage, material and time spent?

Is it better to pay to join a usenet group to download the roms? What's the freakin' difference?

All of us started in this hobby with little or no knowledge of how to get roms. I remember downloading roms off of www.mame.dk one at a time before they shut it down.

Some people act like only they are allowed to have the roms because they know where to get them. Get off your high horses. Not everyone knows about burners or Mame. Think about the newbies.

And don't give me the crap about the copyright holders getting pissed and shutting everything down because we have no right to own the rom to Mr. Do's Castle or whatever unless we own the original PCB. Guess what, most of the old companies are long gone and the ones that aren't don't make a dime if you buy an old PCB off of Ebay or where ever in order to be "legal". Plus, there are so many people out there with roms now that they will NEVER disappear anyway.

It's like the whole downloading a bootleg movie issue. The people who do it would never go see the movie in the first place. Therefore they are not missing a sale of any kind. You think anyone in their right mind would actually line up like a sheep to see a piece of crap like Flightplan!? Errr......It made over $100 million....Alot of sheep in this world I guess.

There is my rant. Enjoy it.

I think kmc should have used stars to highlight the important parts of this posting.

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2005, 01:07:26 am »
Actually you should chill because you'll live longer.

There has been "illegal mainstream distribution for money" since just about day one of Mame.

The "giants" will crack down on the Ebay and public sellers just like they always have. I'm sure Nintendo has plenty of intelligent people that are aware of the burners giving away their games for the price of postage. How is that any different than peer to peer file trading? Technically, it's actually worse. You are making a hard copy and using the US mail system.

The record industry is doing their best to crush the p2p's. The individuals sharing files on there and through bit torrent aren't "distributing for money" and they are still subject to prosecution.

Think you can get away with burning music CD's for people for the price of postage?

Whether you get them on Ebay because you don't know any better or if you get them from a "no-charge" burner, it's still illegal.

So chill :)

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2005, 07:39:51 am »
Many people believe there is a HUGE difference in helping friends and those who try and make a profit on others hard work.

Just because you find something cool and think it COULD be sold... doesn't mean you should be the one selling it. 

If he was cool, he would do it for free to anyone who sends blank CDr's or DVDr's and self addressed envelope.  That is what many do in the burners project.

And last... (add some controversy  ;D )... I believe the same thing about people who sell premade arcade machines and think they NEED to use mame's name even though they have asked nicely, then not so nicely for them to stop.  Heck, they even made it pretty easy for you to use their name.  But people who say "I put DAYS of labor into those machines" well, for every hour in a cab we put, others have put thousands into mame to make it all possible....  Be happy that you have it, call your cabs Emulator cabs (or whatever) and be happy...


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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2005, 08:01:50 am »
You guys should chill.

If it does sell for $10.01 how much is he making after Ebay fees, postage, material and time spent?

Is it better to pay to join a usenet group to download the roms? What's the freakin' difference?

All of us started in this hobby with little or no knowledge of how to get roms. I remember downloading roms off of www.mame.dk one at a time before they shut it down.

Some people act like only they are allowed to have the roms because they know where to get them. Get off your high horses. Not everyone knows about burners or Mame. Think about the newbies.

And don't give me the crap about the copyright holders getting pissed and shutting everything down because we have no right to own the rom to Mr. Do's Castle or whatever unless we own the original PCB. Guess what, most of the old companies are long gone and the ones that aren't don't make a dime if you buy an old PCB off of Ebay or where ever in order to be "legal". Plus, there are so many people out there with roms now that they will NEVER disappear anyway.

It's like the whole downloading a bootleg movie issue. The people who do it would never go see the movie in the first place. Therefore they are not missing a sale of any kind. You think anyone in their right mind would actually line up like a sheep to see a piece of crap like Flightplan!? Errr......It made over $100 million....Alot of sheep in this world I guess.

There is my rant. Enjoy it.

If there was enough demand for a game, they would end up re-releasing it via a collection, gba game, etc. These companies may be gone, but there games and rights were  bought up by other companies.

Just becuase theres so many people with roms doesnt justify for other people to start getting them too. You cant justify breaking the law because 'you think alot of people do it too'.

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2005, 08:17:27 am »
Most people don't justify it but then again they keep quiet and slowly back away (Missioncontrol is sensible in that respect)  ;)
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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2005, 08:54:10 am »
The whole modern copyright issue is interesting.  I never heard a word about it when I was trading cassette copies of albums, or making mixed tapes with my friends in the 80's and 90's.  They just quietly introduced a tax on cassette tapes to cover the cost of piracy.  Now peer to peer and the internet have introduced a much more efficient way to do the same thing.  Only difference being that you don't actually have to go over to your friends house and tape his album.  In fact you don't even have to know the guy.  So I can see how it would impact sales.  Fewer original purchases are required to distribute to a much broader audience.  It used to be that you bought the albums the you liked most, while your buddies did the same and you broadened  your taste by taping your second choices off of your friends.  In fact, often they'd move up onto your first choice list and you'd end up buying their next album.

Anyhow...

The problems I see with someone selling roms are:

He is probably not assicated with the work to have the rom emulated.  It's like selling something he didn't make or own.

Someone selling roms for profit is likely to attract attention and cause a legal crackdown.  Game companies are getting to be bigger and bigger business and retro gaming is getting popular.  Once the game giants realize that they can just repackage old games and make a million with no overhead, they'll want to shut down their competition.  But I think it will take an even bigger spike in interest in retro gaming than we've seen so far, and it will take a few major sellers doing a big business to attract attention.

Basically we should be mad at someone selling for profit because it's against "honour among theives".  Someone else did a lot of work to make the game available illegally for free and he's profiting off of someone elses work and good nature, which is scummy (scummier). 

It also jeoprodizes the "preservationist" excuse we all use to justify posessing illegal roms.

I'm not sure how the arcade industry worked in it's infancy, but if the license for the title was anything like modern day EULA's (which I suspect it wasn't).  You probably don't have any legal right to the licence if you bought the PCB second hand.  So even the guys who think they're doing things legally, possibly aren't.  (I'd be glad to be corrected on this one.  I'd like to find out more how licensing worked in the arcade industry).  I know that with often pirated software, today, like 3dsmax, you could buy a retail copy in box with all the manuals etc. second hand and you have no legal right to the license, you'll get no support from Autodesk, and no upgrade rights since you don't acutally puchase the software, you just pay for the right to use it and the EULA says it's non transferable.
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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2005, 10:52:53 am »
I'm not sure how the arcade industry worked in it's infancy, but if the license for the title was anything like modern day EULA's (which I suspect it wasn't).
As far as I know - there was no license - You bought the game, you got the cabinet, the monitor, the PCB, and a User's Manual.
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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2005, 01:01:16 pm »
If it does sell for $10.01 how much is he making after Ebay fees, postage, material and time spent?

Check the guy's other listings. About two dozen listings, all pirated software. Some arcade related, others are cracked PSP games, and POcketPC/Palm software.
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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2005, 01:34:03 pm »
I never heard a word about it when I was trading cassette copies of albums, or making mixed tapes with my friends in the 80's and 90's.  They just quietly introduced a tax on cassette tapes to cover the cost of piracy.  Now peer to peer and the internet have introduced a much more efficient way to do the same thing. 

Only difference being that you don't actually have to go over to your friends house and tape his album. 

That's not the only difference.  There's a huge difference between being able to quickly, easily, cheaply mass produce 100% identical copies of something and dubbing an analog cassette on the dual-deck recorder in your home.
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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2005, 09:37:15 pm »
Hell, he's not the only one. Do a search. I found a couple who are doing it. I have about 7 ebay accounts. I should use one to email the people who are bidding on the auctions and tell them to go to star roms or something. (whats that called? against Ebay rules)

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Re: this is very sad
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2005, 03:46:54 am »
Missioncontrol is sensible ;)

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