Author Topic: Why does baseball not use instant replay for crap like this? (Read 2879 times)

DrewKaree · « **on:** October 23, 2005, 11:04:43 pm »

I don't watch baseball AT ALL unless I'm given free tickets to the game during the regular season. I watch the playoffs, but only because it's somewhat interesting to watch at that time of the year. I H-A-T-E Cub fans with a passion, and would like nothing better than for the Sox to win and piss off the Cubs fans even more.

The Sox have been the recipients of TWO major blown calls now. Calls that could have conclusively been made correctly if MLB didn't rely on the umps when it could easily be determined that they made the wrong call.

I'm not talking balls/strikes. That should NEVER be an instant replay call, and replay shouldn't be used during the regular season. It should ONLY be used to determine catch/no catch, home run or no, hit batter or no....crap like what's been a HUGE benefit to the Sox.

As long and boring as baseball is, the very least they are responsible for is to get MAJOR blown calls correct. Cripes, balls and strikes should be called the same way too, lest some ump get a bug up his ass and make calls for teams that haven't pissed them off, but a hit batsman when clearly it hit the guy's bat? Thankfully my used-car-salesman of a loser decided to play commissioner and piss up the game in general instead of confining his ass hat moves to one city.

missioncontrol · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2005, 11:13:19 pm »

Come on baseball is boring enough the first time around. no one should be subjected to watching it over again.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2005, 11:37:53 pm »

Quote from: missioncontrol on October 23, 2005, 11:13:19 pm

Come on baseball is boring enough the first time around. no one should be subjected to watching it over again.

But they DO make us watch it over and over and over again. They intersperse it with every play until they beat it into the ground. At the very least, make that terminally boring sport the least bit improved in accuracy of the calls made.

Meh. I get to see the Brewer's fan favorite be a hero. Good for you Mr Podsednik or however you spell your name.

Buddabing · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2005, 11:45:00 pm »

Are you talking about the phantom hit-by-pitch that loaded the bases prior to the grand slam?

That was a bummer. You'd think that they could tell the difference between the ball hitting the bat and the ball hitting the hitter's arm.

It wasn't nearly as big a downer as the home runs off our (the Astros) two best relief pitchers were.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2005, 11:51:23 pm »

Yeah, I'm talking about the hit-by-pitch, and the phantom drop in the ALCS. I like Phil Garner and think he got a raw deal by the Selig family, who, I dunno if I mentioned this yet, should rot in a special hole as their family fortune is pissed away by a wino with a gambling problem.....well, I don't wanna hold a grudge

Garner is the only person I'm rooting for, but then again, I'm not rooting for either team particularly hard. Garner was a class act, and you guys are lucky to have him as a manager.

duffjr · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2005, 12:11:50 am »

the home plate umpire didn't actually say he saw the ball hit dye. he said he heard the ball hit him. and when the batter doesn't do anything after a ball hits him is usually a sign that it was a foul ball. i hate how these umpires look at the players for the calls when they can't make up their minds.

AceTKK · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2005, 04:02:47 am »

seriously, why not allow a challenge to the call just like in pro football? The technology is there to improve the fairness of every game and I don't understand why the league isn't taking advantage of it.

-Ace-

missioncontrol · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2005, 04:15:01 am »

I wouldn't let it bother you too much, they'll probibly be on strike again sometime soon.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2005, 07:23:13 am »

One more strike at the "unfairness" of their millionaire lifestyle, which is essentially an "I'm not making enough millions while you have too many millions" argument, and I won't even go to a free game to give one effing dollar in revenue to MLB. One owner will want to make money, so he'll be willing to hose every other owner and "break" with the don't-spend-money in increasing salaries.

ChadTower · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2005, 10:45:18 am »

A baseball game is already 4 hours long. You want it to be longer? Replays will add a half hour to the game. It should be taken out of all sports.

Players makes mistakes because they are human.

Aren't the umps and refs human?

DrewKaree · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2005, 10:57:41 am »

As brought up before, it's not to be used for EVERYTHING, it's to be used for instances like this, which may or may not have affected the outcome of the game. Why bother giving us replay after replay after replay after replay of the fact that the umps effed the play up and flat blew the call. Not made a bad judgement, flat blew the call. It wasn't a judgement call as to whether or not the ball hit the guy or his bat, it either did or didn't hit one or the other.

It may have affected the game. The player making a mistake is what makes sports agonizing as a fan. The umps/refs blowing calls due to some inferiority complex or not wanting to make an already long game longer is a crap reason to accept a blatant error.

There are very few things that SHOULD be looked at via replay in baseball. That and the phantom dropped pitch were two that should.

ChadTower · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2005, 10:59:26 am »

Nope, no replays at all.

If the umps blow important calls, they should be reviewed by their own union. The problem is that the union protects them rather than ensures their performance.

The problem is the Umpires' Union, really, and that is also why you will never, ever see replay in baseball.

JamIt · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2005, 11:06:57 am »

Quote from: DrewKaree on October 23, 2005, 11:04:43 pm

I H-A-T-E Cub fans with a passion, and would like nothing better than for the Sox to win and piss off the Cubs fans even more.

Why the hate? I'm a Cubs fan and it actually would not piss me off if the Sox win. While I'm not rooting for them, I'm not rooting against them (certainly not against a division rival).

As far as replays go, I like the NFL's policy. Instead of having the manager argue needlessly for 15 minutes, let him request one of 2 replays afforded him per game. That way there's no big delay and it may prevent some managers from getting tossed. Definitely not on balls and strikes though.

--JamIt

DrewKaree · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2005, 11:17:13 am »

Quote from: JamIt on October 24, 2005, 11:06:57 am

Quote from: DrewKaree on October 23, 2005, 11:04:43 pm
I H-A-T-E Cub fans with a passion, and would like nothing better than for the Sox to win and piss off the Cubs fans even more.

Why the hate? I'm a Cubs fan and it actually would not piss me off if the Sox win. While I'm not rooting for them, I'm not rooting against them (certainly not against a division rival).

I should clarify. I hate the ones who come to Milwaukee to watch the game that sit around me. I always seem to get the blowhards that have diarrhea of the mouth and no brains or filter on what's coming out of it that have to sit around me. For some reason, of all the free tickets I've gotten, 80 percent of them have been for Cubs games, to the point that if they ARE for a Cubs game, I've started to not accept them. I can't take my kids when some drunk can't hold his foul mouth and thinks because he's crossed the state line, it's like fighting on the internet

It's nothing personal against YOU, unless you're the ass hat who got hauled off by the sherrif at each of the last 3 games I've been to

duffjr · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2005, 12:00:25 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on October 24, 2005, 10:59:26 am

Nope, no replays at all.

If the umps blow important calls, they should be reviewed by their own union. The problem is that the union protects them rather than ensures their performance.

The problem is the Umpires' Union, really, and that is also why you will never, ever see replay in baseball.

you can't see these plays most of the time. most of these calls become judgement calls because the catcher and batter block eachother and the fielders block the runners. you need 3 angles to figure out what happened. the umpires are forced to make calls on plays they can't see. baseball is a slow sport for the lazy-minded people. we don't care how long the games go. we like 20 inning games.

ChadTower · « **Reply #15 on:** October 24, 2005, 01:27:10 pm »

That's just not true. There is a system in place where if an ump's view is obstructed, there are several other umps who can be appealed to to make the call.

Most umps will never admit they couldn't see the play, so it doesn't get used.

The problem is that the Union doesn't make them do it.

duffjr · « **Reply #16 on:** October 24, 2005, 02:22:12 pm »

no, you can't expect a 1st base umpire to make the call at 3rd base. i'm talking about force outs at 2nd on double plays, tags on runners going to 2nd or 3rd, and pitchers throwing out runners at first. the 1st and 3rd base umpires can't watch for hit batters or catcher's interference.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #17 on:** October 24, 2005, 02:24:00 pm »

Don't worry Drew, the Sox are going to blow it.

The Cubs are the only baseball team in Chicago.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #18 on:** October 24, 2005, 02:32:02 pm »

Quote from: Dartful Dodger on October 24, 2005, 02:24:00 pm

Don't worry Drew, the Sox are going to blow it.

The Cubs are the only baseball team in Chicago.

I bet you suck

Back when I watched baseball, I liked the Braves. I've always hated the Selig's and their team since I was doing work at County Stadium and Bud's daughter's husband thought it was his mission in life to make the night's work of "the help" a little harder. Telling him to piss off and I don't care who he is, I don't work for him, I'm working for the guy who TOLD me to be where I was at that very moment made him very angry at me. Probably because he wanted to feel more important than he was. That whole family can piss up a rope as far as I'm concerned.

But as you can see, I'm not bitter.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #19 on:** October 24, 2005, 02:49:50 pm »

As long as the Cubs don't win against a Miami team in 2015...

I was turned off of baseball after the strike. Partly because I know a player that built a house near my parents while on strike. Not working yet you can afford a new house...

Though I don't feel the same about NHL. It does suck that the lockout happened, but good came out of it. The rules changes make the game more interesting to watch. Unfortunately for baseball there isn't much you can change to make it more interesting to watch.

I won't watch baseball on tv, that is boring. however, watching the game at Miller Park is pretty cool when you get the crowd involved.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #20 on:** October 24, 2005, 03:08:26 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on October 24, 2005, 02:49:50 pm

I was turned off of baseball after the strike.

Zero_Hour · « **Reply #21 on:** October 24, 2005, 06:53:33 pm »

Apparently the trend away from baseball after the last strike is very real. :

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/wstv.shtml

Just look at the television ratings from 95 on, compared with any year before the 94 strike. Baseball, has too long taken it's status as "Americas Passtime" for granted. The economics are completely screwed. The vast majority of current ownership seem to be not so interested in competeing, and if you think players are scared of steroids being banned, google 'baseball' and 'amphetamines'. Of course baseball being as boring as it is, I suppose I might understand a player's predilection for stimulants. I guess I can't get emotional about instant replay in baseball, because I really don't care about the sport any longer.

ChadTower · « **Reply #22 on:** October 24, 2005, 08:43:36 pm »

All sports are afraid of amphetamines being banned... man, when I was still playing hockey, we'd be so upped that guys would be barely controllable between shifts. Not much different with football.

Those days are definitely behind me, but the uppers... oh, the uppers make you a meaner, more aggressive contact athlete.

duffjr · « **Reply #23 on:** October 25, 2005, 01:26:13 am »

these last years of postseason races have been more interesting than the 90s. do you have the ALCS ratings? i don't think viewership has anything to do with blown calls, but i don't think steroids are helping either.

ChadTower · « **Reply #24 on:** October 25, 2005, 02:05:00 pm »

Ratings are stupid to compare historically. Yay, ratings are higher now than 15 years ago... there are also about 20 million more total viewers than 15 years ago and every one of them owns 15 televisions of various sizes now.

Dartful Dodger · « **Reply #25 on:** October 25, 2005, 02:42:00 pm »

My tv is on steroids.

Zero_Hour · « **Reply #26 on:** October 25, 2005, 03:33:53 pm »

Quote from: ChadTower on October 25, 2005, 02:05:00 pm

Ratings are stupid to compare historically. Yay, ratings are higher now than 15 years ago... there are also about 20 million more total viewers than 15 years ago and every one of them owns 15 televisions of various sizes now.

Ratings are not higher than they were 15 years ago. Also, TV/Radio ratings are broken into two types - Rating (Total approximate viewers) and Share (percentage of televisions on during a particular time slot) The Share IS a useful tool in historical comparisons.

The Nielsen ratings system is certainly not perfect, but it is the benchmark by which program success, and advertising rates are determined. The Nielsens work based of of a single TV (track all programs watched on that set) / or single viewer(track everything the viewer watches, wherever they watch it) tracking. 15 TV's in your house does not allow you to skew a rating.

ChadTower · « **Reply #27 on:** October 25, 2005, 03:44:00 pm »

But... how would Tivo skew that? My tivo records a LOT of stuff I never get around to watching... but that is a tuner tuned to that program every time it is on.

Zero_Hour · « **Reply #28 on:** October 25, 2005, 03:53:43 pm »

Unless you are a "Nielsen Household" what your TIVO records is irrelevant. The Nielsens take samples from accross the country from various demographics. They use either set-top boxes to track what is being viewed on the set (and I believe newer versions may actually track number of viewers - which I find kind of creepy - my television is watching me!) or they send out "Diaries" that viewers fill in themselves. The fact that all ratings are based on sample populations, and not an actual tally of all sets is its greatest flaw. However the logistics (and privacy issues) of making all sets report to Nielsen would be problematic to say the least.

ChadTower · « **Reply #29 on:** October 25, 2005, 04:09:38 pm »

So, as I figured, the ratings are a sham method of keeping Ray Romano on TV.

I watched dude's show once, no way millions of people watch that crap every week. After 6 minutes I started to think that sucking used kitty litter would be more fun.

Zero_Hour · « **Reply #30 on:** October 25, 2005, 04:25:06 pm »

Never watched Mr. Romano's program. I have however met many who have, and even claim to enjoy it. Sketchy or not, I don't think you can blame the Nielsens for his success.

Daniel270 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 25, 2005, 04:35:15 pm »

Quote from: SirPoonga on October 24, 2005, 02:49:50 pm

As long as the Cubs don't win against a Miami team in 2015...

Better be in Hill Valley at the time Doc, Marty and Jennifer show up with the Time Machine, just in case...... and bring an umbrella, I hear it's going to rain....

duffjr · « **Reply #32 on:** October 26, 2005, 06:18:02 am »

what's the payout if i bet on the cubs in 2015 right now? any blacksox fans out there?


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