How much would you pay...

[Hellfromabove]

... for an:

-MvC2 cab (just the wooden cab, the big one)
-Arcade monitor (to fit above cab, don't know how big)
-Computer fast enough to run XvSF (something I could build)

Please seperate the prices. Also is there a website that lets you check out progress on CPS-3 emulation (updates on how far they are) if there are any. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[Dave_K.]

There is another thread already discussing the price of similar cabinets here http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=4142

Why bother with CPS-3 emulation when there is already arcade perfect ports for Dreamcast (MvC2 and CvSNK2).  DC is a lot cheaper than PC.    There are boat load of other modern capcom games for DC which kick arse as well.

So to answer your question:
4 player MvC2 or similar cabinet with 25" monitor $400
Dreamcast with controllers $50
MvC2 and CvSNK2 $80
Total = $530

This doesn't include the cost to hack the dreamcast controllers (wire/connectors) and possible drilling of new control panel wood.  But with a cab you should already have enough joysticks/buttons.

[hyiu]

can someone point out a link to where I can get a dreamcast + ctrller for $50 ..... I would like to know....

[android]

can someone point out a link to where I can get a dreamcast + ctrller for $50 ..... I would like to know....

$39 at your nearest Gamestop.

[SNAAAKE]

can someone point out a link to where I can get a dreamcast + ctrller for $50 ..... I would like to know....

Do you know where gamexpress is?
i saw brand new for $59 last week at gamexpress on 32nd street (finger crossed ).

126 W 32nd Street
New York, NY
(212) 290-0426

also saw an used one if you like(who really cares as long as it works)

you can also take the F or A train then get off at jay street then there are like about 20 video games stores..just keep looking for one and you might get one for less then $50.

if everything else fails then try ebay.

[hyiu]

thx for the pointers !!  

[WFH]

can someone point out a link to where I can get a dreamcast + ctrller for $50 ..... I would like to know....

I just got a Dreamcast at Gamestop for $29.

[Hellfromabove]

Well the reason I wanted the CPS-3 emulation was because I need to make the coin door microswitch and you know how it says "Capcom" when you insert the quarter then press start. If I used DC version or PS2 I would have to wire the start button to the microswitch in coindoor. Also it is because I was going to turn my garage into an arcade and hold tournaments there. Also when the first tournament hits for fighting games I will post here so whoever wants to come can. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[Dave_K.]

So in other words, you want to charge people??  I don't understand what holding a tournament has to do with the coin door.

[eightbit]

I was going to turn my garage into an arcade and hold tournaments there.

So in other words, you want to charge people??  I don't understand what holding a tournament has to do with the coin door.

If your talking about charging for Mame you don't want to go there, especially not here. If we are totally  misinterpeting your intentions I apologize and ask that you clarify what your intentions are.

I'd be more than happy to make sure someone showed up for your tournament if your going to charge for it.

[Hellfromabove]

NO NO NO!!! Charging for MAME !!! That's outrageous. Only people that are complete morons would do that. The only reason I am adding the coin door is for looks. Also I don't know why but I always liked the Arcade version of games better than the console versions. Don't get me wrong I have originals of cd's of the games and play them a lot it's just that in my opinion arcade version has a little more umph to it. Also the coin door was just to show off to my friends. You know make them insert like a coin then they'd be like "I can't believe you bought the machine", then i'd say "did I" then pull an Emirl Legasi and BAM!!! show them that it's a computer with hacked controllers. I could always put my systems into a cab of course which is what I am going to do for the cab I am building in my room. Sorry I gave you guys the impression that I was going to charge for MAME I guess I should have been more in detail. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[eightbit]

Thanks for clarifying that, I couldn't believe that there would be 2 idiots in 2 days that would be trying to illegally profit from mame. My opinion of you has been restored. If some guys in suits show up tell them that gulliver is safe and they will leave quietly. I am sorry for doubting you.   Go forth and prosper.  

Back on topic, I'm confused about your question about wiring start to the coin door. I wired a button to coin1 and I wired the coin1 on the door to the same input. So you can use the coin door on mine or the credit button, if I show you where it is. For a DC wouldn't you wire start to the p1 button?

[Hellfromabove]

Well if I did progit off of a game such as MvC2 which I might do for the tournament LEGALLY!!! (I think) I would make the machine have 2 hacked DC pads inside and wire the start to coin door. When the person inserts a quarter it would automatically start up the game. I hope this is legal please let me know if it is or isn't. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[eightbit]

I don't think you can legally charge a person to play your dreamcast. I don't know anybody that would pay even if it is legal.

[SNAAAKE]

Well the reason I wanted the CPS-3 emulation was because I need to make the coin door microswitch and you know how it says "Capcom" when you insert the quarter then press start. If I used DC version or PS2 I would have to wire the start button to the microswitch in coindoor. Also it is because I was going to turn my garage into an arcade and hold tournaments there. Also when the first tournament hits for fighting games I will post here so whoever wants to come can. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

If that is your intention then mame still wont do the trick for you man..i mean..you know..if it was really all that easy then arcade dealers would use mame as their new PCBs(how you gonna boot the computer to a single game using mame?i dont think its possible ).
see...i used to work for an arcade(yeah the place where i got some machines) and they use DREAMCAST and PS2 in some of their cabinet(the owner had custom ordered some chips from hongkong similer to mgcd).
so they use dreamcast in some of their arcade machines and no one can really tell the difference between the real naomi and dreamcast.

so if you are holding some kind of tournment then i would say just do it simple and dont even wire up the coin door.you just add a start button on your panel.
besides if you are waiting for cp3 emulation then GOOD LUCK(who knows when they will be emulated) ...dreamcast already has sf3 NG,sf3 DI,and 3rd strike(crap like cps3 jojo bizzare adventure is also for dreamcast) all perfectly ported from the arcade version so you could play all 3 if you want right now.

I know eightbit is trying to stone me(trying to show everyone that i am killing mame) here but the 2 cabs i convertered werent even mame(i forgot to mention).there was no mame installed,both of them had dreamcast in there and i sold them both as "DREAMCAST in an arcade machine" with real arcade monitor,use real controls and not jamma cabinet where you make money(people would pay for a cabinet with dreamcast if they dont know how to wire up dreamcast to real arcade joysticks and monitor).
why i didnt go for mame conversion?because a decent computer cost atleast $400 while a dreamcast at the time was only $50.DO the math

thats just my 0.02 regarding your tournment(ahh..man i wish i could be there).

I don't think you can legally charge a person to play your dreamcast. I don't know anybody that would pay even if it is legal.

depends on the location dude...i have seen dreamcast in Chinatown where you can play like half hour for $2(same goes for any other consoles).not that i would ever pay for playing but there are places like this(i would buy all the systems and games if i really had to play certain game).

[Warborg]

Well the reason I wanted the CPS-3 emulation was because I need to make the coin door microswitch and you know how it says "Capcom" when you insert the quarter then press start. If I used DC version or PS2 I would have to wire the start button to the microswitch in coindoor. Also it is because I was going to turn my garage into an arcade and hold tournaments there. Also when the first tournament hits for fighting games I will post here so whoever wants to come can. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

(how you gonna boot the computer to a single game using mame?i dont think its possible ).

I can think of a couple of different ways right off the top of my head, depending on the OS you are using.  

[eightbit]

If that is your intention then mame still wont do the trick for you man..i mean..you know..if it was really all that easy then arcade dealers would use mame as their new PCBs(how you gonna boot the computer to a single game using mame?i dont think its possible ).

Arcades can't use mame because it isn't legal not because they can't figure out how.

It would be simple to hook up a PC to play a single game and you wouldn't even know it was a PC. Mame even emulates the boot up sequence of the game. All you would have to do is hide the PC Post which is pretty simple.

[Howard_Casto]

There is another thread already discussing the price of similar cabinets here http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=4142

Why bother with CPS-3 emulation when there is already arcade perfect ports for Dreamcast (MvC2 and CvSNK2).

There is no such thing as an arcade perfect port... period.
The timing is always slightly different, there are different gameplay modes ect.  

Also if we are going to have that mentality then why did anyone bother with cps1 or cps2 emulation?  All of those games have a near arcade perfect port on the snes.  

Oh and for the record neither of the games you mentioned are cps3 games.  MvC2 and CvSNK2 are both naomi games.  Cps3 games are street fighter 3 and it variants which aren't available on anything.  

[Dave_K.]

Well if I did progit off of a game such as MvC2 which I might do for the tournament LEGALLY!!! (I think) I would make the machine have 2 hacked DC pads inside and wire the start to coin door. When the person inserts a quarter it would automatically start up the game. I hope this is legal please let me know if it is or isn't. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

This was discussed at length awhile ago.  The license for Dreamcast games has "no public performance", "no rentals", and lastly "for home use only".  In your case renting on a per game basis   and public performance for profit violate the license.

What is completely legal is owning/playing the games (can't say that about Mame...unless you also own the original cabinet).

[SNAAAKE]

Oh and for the record neither of the games you mentioned are cps3 games.  MvC2 and CvSNK2 are both naomi games.  Cps3 games are street fighter 3 and it variants which aren't available on anything.  

hmm..you are right on that part where mvsc2 and cvs2 being naomi(i didnt notice) but did you know that all 3 version of street fighter 3 is availabe for dreamcast as well as jojo bizzare adventure(which btw is a cps3 games).besides..snes ports arent arcade perfect...the crappy loading time .i think dreamcast does pretty good job on porting games from naomi+cps2 hardware(not to mention that dreamcast and naomi hardware has almost the same specs,200mhz hitchi cpu and i think there is more ram on the original naomi hardware)+there is no loading time on dreamcast games(you should buy a dreamcast and enjoy what you are missing).

[Howard_Casto]

Loading times?  It's not a cd-based system, there aren't any loading times.  

Also I stand corrected on the sf3 port but judging by the reviews it's a very sad conversion to say the least.  

Anyway the dc is a neat little toy, but there is a reason that sega is out of the console business.  It was state of the art about 4 years ago, not that there's anything wrong with that, just go buy an xbox and you won't miss it.  

[Dave_K.]

There is no such thing as an arcade perfect port... period.
The timing is always slightly different, there are different gameplay modes ect.

I don't want to argue symantics with you Howard. Of course its not "exactly" the same.  The menu's and options are definatly going to be different.  As to the timing, that is completly subjective (probably more psychological in your case).  I have never seen any timing problems/difference with the arcade ports I've played on modern consoles.  Now if you were refering to ports to NES and the like, you may have a point  .

Also if we are going to have that mentality then why did anyone bother with cps1 or cps2 emulation?  All of those games have a near arcade perfect port on the snes.

Sarcasm doesn't suit you.  We both know emulation is done in the spirit of preserving these great game roms.  The point I was making is the cost difference of using a DC v.s. Mame/Computer for playing CPS3 games.

Oh and for the record neither of the games you mentioned are cps3 games.  MvC2 and CvSNK2 are both naomi games.  Cps3 games are street fighter 3 and it variants which aren't available on anything.  

Got me there, I forgot they were naomi games.  But you are quite incorrect about the SF3 games not being available on anything.   SF3 Alpha, SF3 3rd Strike, and SF3 Double Impact have all been ported to the Dreamcast.

[Dave_K.]

Anyway the dc is a neat little toy, but there is a reason that sega is out of the console business.  It was state of the art about 4 years ago, not that there's anything wrong with that, just go buy an xbox and you won't miss it.  

I own an xbox and honestly play the DC more.  I have yet to play any real arcade ports on the xbox (I may buy CvSNK2 when it comes out, but only to see how it plays online).

Oh, and the Naomi is a cd-based system (gd-rom drive to be exact).  Its nearly identical to the Dreamcast hardware.  Search ebay for "naomi gd-rom".  This is why the DC kicks arse!

[Hellfromabove]

Yeah I still don't have an X-Box yet but will buy one soon in the future for MvC2 and CvS2:EO Online play. Also to Howard_Castro, your right I am wrong those games are both on Naomi emulation, my bad. Also near where I live in CA in the heart of Burbank there is a place called PAC*MAN Arcade (I think) that has there MvC2 running off of a DC. There is something strange about this version though, you insert the quarter and it counts the credit but doesn't start the game up or say "CAPCOM". Then you press start and the game starts. Also a way of knowing this is a DC port is because you can pick 3 of the same character. Also a question for SNAAAKE, what is mgcd and NG. Sorry about that if I am a complete idiot. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[SNAAAKE]

There is something strange about this version though, you insert the quarter and it counts the credit but doesn't start the game up or say "CAPCOM". Then you press start and the game starts. Also a way of knowing this is a DC port is because you can pick 3 of the same character. Also a question for SNAAAKE, what is mgcd and NG. Sorry about that if I am a complete idiot. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

NG was Street Fighter 3 New Generation and MGCD is that gizmo that makes your dreamcast act like an arcade machine....there are many version but the one we use(the arcade i used to work at) is very cool...first the screen boots as dreamcast then it loads the setting off a VMU then the it automaticly(searches then click) goes to arcade mode a clicks on arcade version and its EXACTLY like how it is supposed to be when you use naomi hardware.its 100% compatible with jamma cabinets just list of games are limited.that said only certain games works(the popular onces of course).

[Hellfromabove]

WOW!!! So I guess that's what they used in Burbank. How much are these chips and where can you get them. I guess you have to install them into the DC, right? SNAAAKE, if you could give me some info on this that would be great, I could really use this for the tourney. Also how does the DC read another button for the coin cause there are only 6 buttons for the game, the start, the D-pad and analog. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

[Silverwind]

This was discussed at length awhile ago.  The license for Dreamcast games has "no public performance", "no rentals", and lastly "for home use only".  In your case renting on a per game basis   and public performance for profit violate the license.

What is completely legal is owning/playing the games (can't say that about Mame...unless you also own the original cabinet).

ahh the dreaded liscense/EULA!!  I don't think I had to sign one for my lawn mower.. wonder If i could charge people for rides on my sit-down mower legally?

[rampy]

This was discussed at length awhile ago.  The license for Dreamcast games has "no public performance", "no rentals", and lastly "for home use only".  In your case renting on a per game basis   and public performance for profit violate the license.

What is completely legal is owning/playing the games (can't say that about Mame...unless you also own the original cabinet).

ahh the dreaded liscense/EULA!!  I don't think I had to sign one for my lawn mower.. wonder If i could charge people for rides on my sit-down mower legally?

You probably could, but your home insurance would probably get mad, and you'll have to deal with town zoning laws.

If you clear those hurdles, I'll give a buck to do a lap or two (with the cutting blade disengaged, I'm not paying you to mow your lawn)

rampy

[Silverwind]

You probably could, but your home insurance would probably get mad, and you'll have to deal with town zoning laws.

If you clear those hurdles, I'll give a buck to do a lap or two (with the cutting blade disengaged, I'm not paying you to mow your lawn)

rampy

doh!  I guess that means you don't want to rent my leaf blower either eh?

[Dave_K.]

NG was Street Fighter 3 New Generation and MGCD is that gizmo that makes your dreamcast act like an arcade machine....there are many version but the one we use(the arcade i used to work at) is very cool...first the screen boots as dreamcast then it loads the setting off a VMU then the it automaticly(searches then click) goes to arcade mode a clicks on arcade version and its EXACTLY like how it is supposed to be when you use naomi hardware.its 100% compatible with jamma cabinets just list of games are limited.that said only certain games works(the popular onces of course).

Right on Snaaake!  I keep forgetting about the MGCD.  LOL, notice how Howard is suddenly silent on this topic.  I'm sure in his opinion, this is still not "exactly" the same as the arcade (since it is indeed a DC "port").  Guess he now realizes this is as close to the real arcade hardware as you can get (until Naomi and Naomi 2 are fully emulated).

[SNAAAKE]

WOW!!! So I guess that's what they used in Burbank. How much are these chips and where can you get them. I guess you have to install them into the DC, right? SNAAAKE, if you could give me some info on this that would be great, I could really use this for the tourney. Also how does the DC read another button for the coin cause there are only 6 buttons for the game, the start, the D-pad and analog. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

Help you?
i honestly dont know where you can get the one that works all the way but lik-sang had one but now they dont sell anymore..i will let you know if i can find one for you or if you really really want the i can ask the arcade owner to sell me one..however these are not cheap.
expect to pay aroung $150 if you wanna get it from my boss(this dude is mean).This is an external chip that goes to your AV port.

Right on Snaaake!  I keep forgetting about the MGCD.  LOL, notice how Howard is suddenly silent on this topic.  I'm sure in his opinion, this is still not "exactly" the same as the arcade (since it is indeed a DC "port").  Guess he now realizes this is as close to the real arcade hardware as you can get (until Naomi and Naomi 2 are fully emulated).

who knows...
but if i were to GUESS..i would say he haven't tried dreamcast games(that said didnt bother buying the console at all) but i am just guessing becaus if you actually played only couple of games then NORMALLY you are in heaven .besides naomi emulation wont happend any time soon(legal problem) because the actual games make TONS of money everywhere.

[Hellfromabove]

Wow that's a lot of money I guess I have to sell a lot of stuff. Yeah please let me know if you could get me one. Thanx.

-See Ya!!!

EDIT: By the way is it the complete advanced version. Been doing some research on it. Please tell me what version.