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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2005, 11:31:48 am »
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Bernard Derr, 48, a man with a history of psychiatric problems, was taken into custody a short time after the attack and held on attempted murder and other charges, police said.

But he has a history of psychiatric problems so lets make sure to coddle him and then get him back on the street as soon as possible so he can stab some more babies.

If the cops were allowed to do their job correctly, this piece of garbage would be at the bottom of a river by now.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2005, 11:34:39 am »
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Bernard Derr, 48, a man with a history of psychiatric problems, was taken into custody a short time after the attack and held on attempted murder and other charges, police said.

But he has a history of psychiatric problems so lets make sure to coddle him and then get him back on the street as soon as possible so he can stab some more babies.

If the cops were allowed to do their job correctly, this piece of garbage would be at the bottom of a river by now.

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It isn't the job of the police to be judge, jury and executioner. Or at least it isn't in the USA. Move to Iran if you think that is how the police should act.


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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2005, 11:37:54 am »
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Bernard Derr, 48, a man with a history of psychiatric problems, was taken into custody a short time after the attack and held on attempted murder and other charges, police said.

But he has a history of psychiatric problems so lets make sure to coddle him and then get him back on the street as soon as possible so he can stab some more babies.

If the cops were allowed to do their job correctly, this piece of garbage would be at the bottom of a river by now.

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It isn't the job of the police to be judge, jury and executioner. Or at least it isn't in the USA. Move to Iran if you think that is how the police should act.



Be careful, thoughts like that will land you in a world of hurt once I'm made Emperor of the Cosmos.

Pardon the hell out of me for being disgusted at a baby stabber.

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2005, 11:44:13 am »
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Bernard Derr, 48, a man with a history of psychiatric problems, was taken into custody a short time after the attack and held on attempted murder and other charges, police said.

But he has a history of psychiatric problems so lets make sure to coddle him and then get him back on the street as soon as possible so he can stab some more babies.

If the cops were allowed to do their job correctly, this piece of garbage would be at the bottom of a river by now.

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It isn't the job of the police to be judge, jury and executioner. Or at least it isn't in the USA. Move to Iran if you think that is how the police should act.



Be careful, thoughts like that will land you in a world of hurt once I'm made Emperor of the Cosmos.

Pardon the hell out of me for being disgusted at a baby stabber.

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I'm not defending the guy. He should be put away forever. He probably isn't eligable for the death penalty anywhere in the US unless the baby dies.

I just think that you probably aren't thinking of the implications of having a state where the police have ultimate power to execute people without due process.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2005, 11:46:24 am »
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Bernard Derr, 48, a man with a history of psychiatric problems, was taken into custody a short time after the attack and held on attempted murder and other charges, police said.

But he has a history of psychiatric problems so lets make sure to coddle him and then get him back on the street as soon as possible so he can stab some more babies.

If the cops were allowed to do their job correctly, this piece of garbage would be at the bottom of a river by now.

-S

It isn't the job of the police to be judge, jury and executioner. Or at least it isn't in the USA. Move to Iran if you think that is how the police should act.



Be careful, thoughts like that will land you in a world of hurt once I'm made Emperor of the Cosmos.

Pardon the hell out of me for being disgusted at a baby stabber.

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I'm not defending the guy. He should be put away forever. He probably isn't eligable for the death penalty anywhere in the US unless the baby dies.

I just think that you probably aren't thinking of the implications of having a state where the police have ultimate power to execute people without due process.

I rarely consider the implications of anything I say. ;)

Seriously, the guy stabbed a baby. People saw him do it. Tie his sorry ass to about 300 lbs of concrete and chuck him in the river.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2005, 11:58:16 am »
am i the only one who think it's more of a tragedy to lose a hero than a baby?  a baby can windup a drug dealer, a murderer, a terrorist, etc. but a made man or woman is of greater value to the world.

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2005, 12:01:09 pm »
it's philosophical...don't worry too much about it.  in my orwellian society, things would be different.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2005, 12:01:21 pm »

It isn't the job of the police to be judge, jury and executioner. Or at least it isn't in the USA. Move to Iran if you think that is how the police should act.


I thought we decided in the "Bush Pics" thread that we were going to Nuke Iran.

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2005, 12:01:58 pm »
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who thinks like that.
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2005, 12:13:17 pm »

It isn't the job of the police to be judge, jury and executioner. Or at least it isn't in the USA. Move to Iran if you think that is how the police should act.


I thought we decided in the "Bush Pics" thread that we were going to Nuke Iran.  No, wait - we decided not too because then we couldn't take the oil.  ;D

Oh yeah thats right; we dont want glass in the oil  ;D

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2005, 12:21:05 pm »
am i the only one who think it's more of a tragedy to lose a hero than a baby?  a baby can windup a drug dealer, a murderer, a terrorist, etc. but a made man or woman is of greater value to the world.

and plenty of men and women ARE drug dealers, murderers and terrorists.

If this baby were to die (god forbid), how do you know she wouldn't go on to become President... or cure cancer....

That is just a very silly outlook.  A hero now is worth more than a baby simply because a baby MIGHT not turn out as "important" as said "hero" ??

No thanks.
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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2005, 12:27:34 pm »

It's not a question of what they baby may do, it is a question of what the baby HAS done.  A drug dealer HAS dealt drugs, a criminal HAS committed crimes.  The baby has not. 

You're mixing up tenses and losing your senses.

Come down from your fences.

Either way, it should never have gotten to the cops.  As soon as the witnesses saw him stab that baby they should have subdued him, carved him up with his own knife and dropped his bits into the nearest sewer grate.


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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2005, 12:31:12 pm »


You're mixing up tenses and losing your senses.

Come down from your fences.




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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2005, 12:31:24 pm »
From a humanitarian standpoint, both are equals.  From a statistical point of view, the baby has less of a chance of being a success than a failure.  What if someone is murdered days before a disease is going to kill them?  Does it change the degree of the tragedy?  It seems the news media bombards us with various crimes and murders for shock value.  Of course, everyone is saddened as human beings, but do you really care if someone halfway across the world is murdered?

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2005, 12:33:14 pm »

It's not a question of what they baby may do, it is a question of what the baby HAS done.  A drug dealer HAS dealt drugs, a criminal HAS committed crimes.  The baby has not. 


But does society go out of its way to make sure everyone has an equal chance?

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2005, 12:35:26 pm »
...but do you really care if someone halfway across the world is murdered?

I do.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2005, 12:37:36 pm »
But does society go out of its way to make sure everyone has an equal chance?

Is it society's job to provide for each individual, or each individual's job to contribute to society?

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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2005, 01:11:54 pm »

that's pretty much the model for what I said, yeah.  :)

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2005, 01:31:10 pm »
Well, both of course. It is in society's own best interest to provide the best opportunity for each individual, so that individual can in return provide for society.

But does society go out of its way to make sure everyone has an equal chance?

Is it society's job to provide for each individual, or each individual's job to contribute to society?

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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2005, 01:32:40 pm »
Saint: Always the voice of reason. :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2005, 01:34:35 pm »
Well, both of course. It is in society's own best interest to provide the best opportunity for each individual, so that individual can in return provide for society.

Right, but given that all an individual can control is their particular contribution, it is not in the best interest of an individual to expect society to provide anything.  Especially since, in reality, society is self serving and will provide you with absolutely nothing while accepting anything you have to offer.

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2005, 03:06:05 pm »
You know, I believe in equality and justice and right to a fair trial and all that. But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.

Yes I understand that some people may not know the difference between whats right and wrong, what is and isn't acceptable. But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.

I know this may come off as being closed minded, BUT THIS GUY STABBED A BABY. There is no reason to keep someone like this in society. None, What good could he possibly do? Could you ever trust this freak around people again? I know I couldn't, He stabbed a baby....F him.
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But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.


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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2005, 03:11:58 pm »
You know, I believe in equality and justice and right to a fair trial and all that. But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.

Yes I understand that some people may not know the difference between whats right and wrong, what is and isn't acceptable. But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.

I know this may come off as being closed minded, BUT THIS GUY STABBED A BABY. There is no reason to keep someone like this in society. None, What good could he possibly do? Could you ever trust this freak around people again? I know I couldn't, He stabbed a baby....F him.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I suggested that the police should have thrown him into the river. You certainly phrased it more eloquently than I did.

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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2005, 03:29:10 pm »
You know, I believe in equality and justice and right to a fair trial and all that. But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.

Yes I understand that some people may not know the difference between whats right and wrong, what is and isn't acceptable. But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.

I know this may come off as being closed minded, BUT THIS GUY STABBED A BABY. There is no reason to keep someone like this in society. None, What good could he possibly do? Could you ever trust this freak around people again? I know I couldn't, He stabbed a baby....F him.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make when I suggested that the police should have thrown him into the river. You certainly phrased it more eloquently than I did.

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2005, 03:30:57 pm »
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2005, 03:31:07 pm »
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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2005, 03:34:05 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2005, 03:59:09 pm »

I saw that spelling correction.

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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2005, 04:51:08 pm »
The response was correct.  If the man was currently posing an immediate threat to police or others, then shoot him or tase him.  If not, take him into custody and give him a fair trial.  Then lock him up, probably for the rest of his life (or put him to death, I suppose, but I don't think that's a power our justice system should weild).

There will always be corruption and abuse in any institution.  You would absolutely not want to live in a society that gave police officers the powers of judge, jury and executioner, in addition to the formidable and potentially dangereous powers they already have.

What this guy did was discusting.  Had I seen it I probably would have hit him in the head with a rock and continued hitting him until his head was essentially no longer there.  Just because you want to hurt someone doesn't mean that there would be no negative consequences for expanding the powers of your government to act on your personal, volatile emotional impulses.
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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2005, 04:53:13 pm »
But this guy stabbed a baby. F him.


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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2005, 04:55:05 pm »

I saw that spelling correction.
It's still spelled wrong. officially that is.
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2005, 04:55:34 pm »
Okay. It would seem that some can't tell the difference between a serious political statement and a half-joke made out of shock and disgust. I don't actually wish that the police had the power to just kill people. With this particular guy, I was willing to make an exception. I mean he did stab a baby. F him.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2005, 04:57:11 pm »
Maybe he did and maybe he didn't.  Maybe the nanny stabbed the baby and then started screaming.  Maybe the cops track him down, put a bullet in him and toss him into the river only to have the medical examiner call them up the next day with conclusive evidence that the nanny, who apparently has a delusional crush on the baby's father and believes that with his wife's baby in the picture they can never truly be together, decided to take action and blamed it on the crazy guy everyone sees walking around the streets all the time.

She stabbed a baby.  F her.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2005, 04:59:35 pm »

See, shmokes really blames the baby.  F the baby, right shmokes?  The criminal deserves more rights than some bloody baby.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2005, 05:04:56 pm »
What follows is a heartfelt apology letter that I hereby give anyone permission to copy and paste as their own.  (you may want to spell check it 3 or 4 times though.)

Dear sir,
I humbly regret that I had made a horrible error in thinking you had stabbed that baby. I realise now that I was incorrect and I shouldn't have said F you, and I should have F'd  the nanny instead. I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me. Oh and F her, she stabs babies.

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Re: I've seen some random and cruel stuff, but...
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2005, 05:15:00 pm »
Send it to his family.  He's already in the river.

And Chad, no, I think that the baby should also get a fair trial if suspected of attempted murder.
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