********* EXPLOSIONS IN LONDON ********

[eggedd2k]

JESUS HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT'S GOING ON

[HaRuMaN]

F*CKING terrorists, no doubt.

[Dexter]

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1188265,00.html

Holy sh1t. My condolences to our UK byoacers. Very sorry to hear about this, especially after the successful london olympics bid and all of the good work done by the live 8 people this week 

[DYNAGOD]

this thread is exactly the kind of hysteria the terrorists want.. you wrote it in HUGE CAPITAL LETTERS WITH EXCLAMATION MARKS EXPLOSIONS@!@@@@

not to come across callous, but onyl two people are dead..and thats pretty pathetic considering the way the media and goverments portray these animals as the enem,y to modern world for the next century....
the terrorists came to our country in the us and spend 4.95$ in box cutters and our alarmist knee jerk reaction has been to spend billions in kind..
thats piss poor military judgement..
you dont use a 500,000$ missle to blow up a 1400$ jeep....and thats what this war on terror has been analogous to.
we need to do what insurance companies do, calculate that its cheaper to let a few thousand a year die than spend billions on something you cant stop..
the errosion of our economy thats resulting in preemptively trying to stop terror is more detrimental across the board to more people than any small scale isolated bombing and plays right into their goals of bringing the western economy to its knees..

 

[SirPeale]

the terrorists came to our country in the us and spend 4.95$ in box cutters and our alarmist knee jerk reaction has been to spend billions in kind..

That's because with those $4.95 box cutters they took four airplanes and crashed them into buildings, killing thousands and doing billions in damage.

Of course, we're fighting the wrong people, but that's neither here nor there.

[Bones]

My country hasn't been attacked on our own soil so the whole thing still seems like it's happenning a long way away.

But I would be stupid to think it is not coming.

And I fear it.

The terrorists are achieving what they set out to do.

[DYNAGOD]

The terrorists are achieving what they set out to do.

no i wouldnt say that.. we are achieving it for them..they are facilitated by the media. its their greatest weapons, more powerfull than any explosive. fear and propoganda and a global communications network salivating at the opportunity to strike fear into its listeners and viewers for ratings.
you want to truly hit terror hard, stop giving it a global means of transmitting its agenda and spreading fear.
complete media blackout of all terror related activities..
they blow something up, i want a story about high cholesterol on the 11 oclock news instead

[Dexter]

Quick update....

"GROUP CLAIMS ATTACKS
 
A terror group linked to al Qaeda has claimed it carried out a series of terror attacks on London that have left a number of people dead and hundreds injured.


A previously unknown group calling itself "Secret Organisation al Qaeda in Europe" said it carried out the attacks as revenge for British "military massacres" in Iraq and Afghanistan."


http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=62351&pt=n

[mr.Curmudgeon]

Photos streaming in now from TV screen caps, cell phones and digital cameras:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/74918957@N00/pool/

[mr.Curmudgeon]

not to come across callous, but onyl two people are dead..

Sorry, but that is sorta callous considering we have no idea about the extent of the attacks. So far reports indicated anywhere from 40 to 90 people have been killed with hundreds injured.

I'm certainly not advocating panic, in fact, I'd say the opposite is in order. However, let's not jump to conclusions either way.


mrC

[Dexter]

Yep, the "2 dead, hundreds seriously injured" reports were a very unlikely ratio to be true. They're still removing injured from the london underground and with major incidents they usually remove injured first and dead last. Doesn't look good I'm afraid.


EDIT: latest from Sky News - At least 45 people are reported to have been killed and 1,000 injured in a series of co-ordinated terror attacks on London.

[ChadTower]

I bet the complaining Parisians have stfu now.

BTW, they staged the 9/11 attacks for years, spent hundreds of thousands if not millions in training costs, support and logistical costs.  It was not a $5 attack.

[SirPeale]

Even if only one person was dead, that's certainly not a good thing.

Remember the beheadings?  That was only one person at a time as well.

[DYNAGOD]

I bet the complaining Parisians have stfu now.

BTW, they staged the 9/11 attacks for years, spent hundreds of thousands if not millions in training costs, support and logistical costs.  It was not a $5 attack.

i dont agree...it doesnt cost millions to learn to fly a plane or weild a box cutter..the overwhelming effectiveness of their tactics is possible because of their low tech approach..

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I bet the complaining Parisians have stfu now.

Hopefully so have the idiots claiming, "We'll fight them in Iraq so they can't attack us here!"
Looks like Al Qaeda has no trouble with multiple fronts (ie: Spain Train bombings, London Bus Bombings, 9/11 attacks)

It's only a matter of time before there is another attack on U.S. soil. We need to go after Al Qaeda. Iraq (Where there once was no Al Qaeda) has been a horrible distraction.

[ChadTower]

i dont agree...it doesnt cost millions to learn to fly a plane or weild a box cutter..the overwhelming effectiveness of their tactics is possible because of their low tech approach..

It does cost hundreds of thousands to sent more than ten people to 747 flight school.  It also costs hundreds of thousands to stage all those people in the US for up to 5 years without creating the depth of records trail that most US residents build up.  What, you think they came over, got jobs, and were productive members of society?  They owned their properties outright and were very low profile.  All of those things cost $$.

[DYNAGOD]

not to come across callous, but onyl two people are dead..

Sorry, but that is sorta callous considering we have no idea about the extent of the attacks. So far reports indicated anywhere from 40 to 90 people have been killed with hundreds injured.

I'm certainly not advocating panic, in fact, I'd say the opposite is in order. However, let's not jump to conclusions either way.


mrC

where are you getting your news?
this is quoted form the BBC website two minutes ago

The London explosions
Bus and Tube blasts kill at least two and injure dozens

i see no mention of the hundreds injured and dozens upon dozens dead you speak off. this is the kind of sensationalism that fuels the terrorists agenda..your giving them more credit than they deserve and doing their job by spreading more terror than actually exists..

[ChadTower]

Mentions of dozens dead here.

You haven't seen that because they haven't recovered many of the bodies yet.

[mr.Curmudgeon]

where are you getting your news?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/07/AR2005070700221_pf.html

Look at the headline.

My point is, no one has any idea how many have been killed, be it merely 2 people, or dozens. To jump to conclusions either way is a bad idea. We won't know for sure until (at least) the end of the day, maybe into tomorrow.


mrC

[Sephroth57]

well besides the fact that the dead aren't the only thing that matters, hundreds reported injured. People could have lost limbs and have injuries that will affect them for the rest of their lives because of these sick people

[ChadTower]

Seph is right, it's not just about the dead.

The reports I'm reading all say they assume it's because of the start of G8... I'm betting it has at least as much to do with sending a message about the Olympics as it does G8.  Most people don't even know what G8 is...

[rchadd]

it's more like the (US funded) IRA attrocities of the past in Ireland and UK mainland.

Brits will just get on with it...without starting to look for sympathy from around the world and start jumping up and down in hysteria and looking for a fight

[Silver]

The BBC will wait for proper confirmation before giving big numbers. They always were more cautious that other news agencys, but since the Hutton inquiry they have been even more so.

ITN/SKY/International news agencys are not wrong though - just not confirmed by authority.

A friend of mine is a doctor, who has just left a London hospital (Every hospital in London went to Emergency standby, were they call in every doctor available) and they've were told a figure of around 30 so far.

Central London is total mayhem it's noisy chaos. All transport has been shutdown, and mobile phones were not working for most of the morning.

[DYNAGOD]

sadly theres no recourse for the british goverment..
no way to hit back so to speak, its gotta be frustrating as hell fighting an enemy thats so transparent....
afghanistan was our opportunity to return the favor, whats britains going to be?

[rchadd]

Most people don't even know what G8 is...

maybe not in the US

i think in europe G8 is (was) on top of the news agenda (until this morning) largely due to Bono & Geldof & Live8 campaign.

problem is now live 8 campaign will be removed from G8 agenda to be replaced by security relate BS

this is just what blair was looking for to force through ID cards

[Silver]

Brits will just get on with it...without starting to look for sympathy from around the world and start jumping up and down in hysteria and looking for a fight

I hope so - but with the IRA it was an element of it being "our own fault" (Bloody Sunday was not a good day). Also its much easier to target and blame someone when the finger is pointing to 'strange foreign geoups' compared to an internal faction within a country.

[rchadd]

sadly theres no recourse for the british goverment..
no way to hit back so to speak, its gotta be frustrating as hell fighting an enemy thats so transparent....
afghanistan was our opportunity to return the favor, whats britains going to be?

in reality its probably only down to a small group of people - getting hysterical and bombing indescriminately in far off countries aint going to solve the problem. that will only make it worse.

if someone was looking for a scapegoat they could actually start looking at GWBush...

[Goz]

if someone was looking for a scapegoat they could actually start looking at GWBush...

Or Tony Blaire 

-Goz

[AlanS17]

if someone was looking for a scapegoat they could actually start looking at GWBush...

Let's not turn this into a political thread...

Besides, Bush has nothing to do with this. How would he? Where's the rationale? Are you saying Bush made terrorists mad so they decided to bomb some other country on the other side of the Atlantic ocean? That doesn't make sense.

[Dexter]

Let's not turn this into a political thread...

Besides, Bush has nothing to do with this.

Oh dear. Lets not make it into a detatched-from-reality thread either

[Zakk]

if someone was looking for a scapegoat they could actually start looking at GWBush...

Let's not turn this into a political thread...

Besides, Bush has nothing to do with this. How would he? Where's the rationale? Are you saying Bush made terrorists mad so they decided to bomb some other country on the other side of the Atlantic ocean? That doesn't make sense.

Actually, the terrorists 'supposedly' responsible have said the attacks are as punishment for atrocities committed in Iraq, and since Britain never would have gone to Iraq without pressure from the US, you -could- point a finger at Bush. (playing devil's advocate here)

[AlanS17]

if someone was looking for a scapegoat they could actually start looking at GWBush...

Let's not turn this into a political thread...

Besides, Bush has nothing to do with this. How would he? Where's the rationale? Are you saying Bush made terrorists mad so they decided to bomb some other country on the other side of the Atlantic ocean? That doesn't make sense.

Actually, the terrorists 'supposedly' responsible have said the attacks are as punishment for atrocities committed in Iraq, and since Britain never would have gone to Iraq without pressure from the US, you -could- point a finger at Bush. (playing devil's advocate here)

[SeaMonkey]

I bet the complaining Parisians have stfu now.

 Iraq (Where there once was no Al Qaeda) has been a horrible distraction.

So if YOU were going to put a barrier between Syria and Iran...where would YOU put it?

Just be glad that they do not carry out their attacks with nukes....yet.

But it's coming. The world governments do not possess the resolve needed to save the planet.

Lots of countries that were taking kickbacks from oil for food, opposed the Iraq invasion. How odd!

You have to admit the suicide bombings in Israel were directly financed by Iraq. Rogue nations attacing neuclear powers is a destabalizing force that needs to be dealt with.

Then there is the fact that Iraq has never honored its surrender conditions from the first gulf war.

I would also point out, if the cops said, "Mark, in a year or two we are going to bust in and search your house for weed..." Guess what they won't find? I will have moved my weed to Syria..er I mean my neighbor's house.

But hey, if you aren't educated on the full scope of an issue, feel free to latch on to one little thing that you can grasp, and post it over and over and over and over.

Our world leaders are working on 3rd world poverty, and AIDS in Africa right now at G8, and terrorists just attacked working class UK. There could not be a more clear contrast between "us" and "them", than what happened today.

[SeaMonkey]

it's more like the (US funded) IRA attrocities of the past in Ireland and UK mainland.

Brits will just get on with it...without starting to look for sympathy from around the world and start jumping up and down in hysteria and looking for a fight

I think by US FUNDED you mean John Lennon....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/649397.stm

[DYNAGOD]

oil for food...hmm gives me an idea...
the dead terrorists for food program
theres a way to benefit those underpriveledged nations like africa.
we offer them weapons training and logisitics and in return for a healthy death count we supply food and medical supplies to their impoverished villages..

[mr.Curmudgeon]

we offer them weapons training and logisitics and in return for a healthy death count we supply food and medical supplies to their impoverished villages..

The U.S. tried that in Afghanistan. It was called "Dead Commies for food and medical supplies and CIA training"...we'll, turns out it's now called the Taliban and Al Qaeda.



mrC

[SeaMonkey]

we offer them weapons training and logisitics and in return for a healthy death count we supply food and medical supplies to their impoverished villages..

The U.S. tried that in Afghanistan. It was called "Dead Commies for food and medical supplies and CIA training"...we'll, turns out it's now called the Taliban and Al Qaeda.



mrC

I am suprise mrC! You are so quick to say BUSH when the US does something under his leadership...why then would you not be bashing Jimmy Carter for starting what is today Al Qaeda?

Democrats started this. That SO rocks.

(edit: I would point out for the slower folks on the board, that the above short-sighted statement is meant to be illustative of single point logic.....)

[daywane]

oil for food...hmm gives me an idea...
the dead terrorists for food program
theres a way to benefit those underpriveledged nations like africa.
we offer them weapons training and logisitics and in return for a healthy death count we supply food and medical supplies to their impoverished villages..

best darn advice I have head all day

[mr.Curmudgeon]

I would point out for the slower folks on the board, that the above short-sighted statement is meant to be illustative of single point logic.....

And I would point out that my comment was not intended to lay blame on any one particular person for the existence of Al Qaeda, it's much more complex than that. My point was to help illustrate the folly in using U.S. funding for guerilla armies in third-world countries. It has always come back to haunt us.


mrC

[DYNAGOD]

we offer them weapons training and logisitics and in return for a healthy death count we supply food and medical supplies to their impoverished villages..

The U.S. tried that in Afghanistan. It was called "Dead Commies for food and medical supplies and CIA training"...we'll, turns out it's now called the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

mrC

yea, theres no arguing my way out of that one 

then the only obvious choice left is to implement my global bar coding and cranial identification implant program on every man woman and child on the planet. This combined with a comprehenisve orbiting GPS sattelite array and computer tracking sytem,will enable us to track the location and interaction of the entire human race ensuring total control and compliance without resistance.. OBEY!!!!!
or then again,maybe not...