Author Topic: wow i got it to work THANKYOU! (Read 4550 times)

paradox · « **on:** June 24, 2005, 09:55:37 am »

I bought an old mashed cab of ebay for

AlanS17 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:02:44 am »

What game is it? If you're in test mode you probably just need to find and flip the test switch. If you don't have one then you will probably have to wire one up.

eggedd2k · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:22:24 am »

yeh the board is in test mode. don't change the dip switch settings unless you're sure what each one does - write down the current switch settings for reference. once you know what game it is you should be able to get the switch settings off the net and get it running. post the details on here someone will know what game it is

paradox · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:33:23 am »

thankyou for your reply!

the game is taito football champ

where do i wire the test button to?

i know that it next to video ground in the jamma pinout but who does it press a button if it only one pin?

or would you ground it and where too

please respond

AlanS17 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:45:54 am »

You would wire up a button with one end going into the "test" pin and another going into one of the "ground" pins (there are several and any should work fine).

If that doesn't work, you'll likely have to go egg's route and see if there isn't some test mode built into the board. I don't know enough about that particular game to tell you. You'll find that in the manual, though. If you don't have one, you can probably find one online in PDF format.

eggedd2k · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:48:23 am »

that game's had plenty of my money over the years - tell it i want it back

yeah dont wire anything to the board until you know it's deffinitely not got anything there already that will do.

eggedd2k · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:50:26 am »

here you go m8 http://coinop.org/kb_dl.aspx/KB/pinouts/football_champ.txt

test mode is on there

RayB · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:02:27 am »

Note, you're better off wiring a SLIDING SWITCH, not a button. Or at least a button that can stay on. Otherwise you will have to hold the test button as the machine powers up..

paradox · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:06:02 am »

right after more research all the dipswitches are off !!

so i was wondering if a jamma board will go straight into test mode if something is not right ie coin a or test

the information on the screen says that number 2 and 3 on both dips are on but there not so that raises my suspicions that i need to coin A sorting out or the test switch.

i will try and connect a switch to the test and ground like the guy said

BRB

AlanS17 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:18:32 am »

Quote from: RayB on June 24, 2005, 11:02:27 am

Note, you're better off wiring a SLIDING SWITCH, not a button. Or at least a button that can stay on. Otherwise you will have to hold the test button as the machine powers up..

Correcto.

paradox · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:33:09 am »

no it doesnt work ive tried it every way round and to the ground and switch

i used a rocker switch
tried pressing whilst on and nothing

i tried momentarily switching it nothing

i tried holding the switch and turning the power on nothing
in both positions and then tried a different ground and changing the wires around and nothing just the test screen

im now pointing at the coin a as it is off

please help me as i cant get out of test mode

arrggghhhh

AlanS17 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:39:45 am »

Maybe the test mode is not wired to a button. Maybe it's a dipswitch or something on the board as was mentioned before. Check the manual.

paradox · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:45:16 am »

ive treid the dip switch they are all off

the game goes to test mode and tells me coin a is off but coin b is on but there are no switches atall conected to test,service,coin 1 or coin2 so how can that be???

the test mode says that some of the dips are on when they are not!!

so there is no test button or coin button so why is the game going into testmode

ive treid putting a button on each of them with no luck

PLEASE HELP

cheers

AlanS17 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2005, 11:47:42 am »

Have you checked the manual yet? You're poking around in the dark until you look at it. Maybe test mode is the result of an off dip switch. You'll never know until you check the manual.

Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:02:31 pm »

Quote from: AlanS17 on June 24, 2005, 11:47:42 am

Have you checked the manual yet? You're poking around in the dark until you look at it. Maybe test mode is the result of an off dip switch. You'll never know until you check the manual.

Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual. Check the manual.

Switch 3 on Bank A should be for TEST/PLAY mode (according to the pinout on coinop.org shown above).

If you can post a close-up of the board itself, perhaps we can help more.

Cheers.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:12:01 pm »

Quote from: CheffoJeffo on June 24, 2005, 12:02:31 pm

Switch 3 on Bank A...

Switch 3 on Bank A? What's that? Oh, I bet I know where to find it! I'll give you one guess.

Sorry, I just can't stand it when people ask for advice, but then ignore it. If you're not going to listen to the answer then don't waste people's time by asking the question.

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #16 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:21:31 pm »

Quote from: AlanS17 on June 24, 2005, 12:12:01 pm

Switch 3 on Bank A? What's that? Oh, I bet I know where to find it! I'll give you one guess.

Sorry, I just can't stand it when people ask for advice, but then ignore it. If you're not going to listen to the answer then don't waste people's time by asking the question.

Sorry .... wasn't replying directly to you, but rather pointing out to the OP that the answer *is* in the documentation that has already been posted and is easy to find. But then, you knew all of that already, hence your advice to the OP.

Cheers.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:24:09 pm »

Oh, I know. The comment wasn't directed at you, either. I don't typically resort to sarcasm. Maybe I'm just tired and short-fused today. Don't mean to take it out on a new member looking for help. But this site is based on free advice. Asking a question and then ignoring the advice just undermines the entire system.

paradox · « **Reply #18 on:** June 24, 2005, 12:47:15 pm »

;Dhere we are I DO LISTEN but the dips are ok i checked them thrice no 3 on banka is OFFF normal play not TEST MODE

Coin A is off and the game wont run

is anybody here near manchester i can test this pcb?

here are photos of the board:

notice that there are no switches or wires on service test coin1 and coin2

here are the dips they are all off!!!:

there are connectors for 3-4 player and extra sound and video but an unknown 4pin connector on the pcb which might have somthing to do with the coin mech and maybe why the game goes into test.

PLEASE HELP ME ITS MY FIRST CAB A GOT OF EBAY FOR

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #19 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:08:14 pm »

Well, the dips do all appear to be off to me, which should bypass test mode entirely as the Jamma test mode pin isn't used in Football Champ (according to the pinout below).

http://www.hqscansorg.org/manuals/index.php?name=football%20champ

Does flipping Bank A, DIP 2 cause the screen to flip (power off before flipping the switch, of course) ?

Do you have all of your power pins wired (e.g. 3-6 and C-F) ... I'm having trouble counting the wires ?

Cheers.

paradox · « **Reply #20 on:** June 24, 2005, 01:34:25 pm »

ive tried dip 2 on bank a and it doesnt work!! the screen is still the same way.

i think all the power wires are connected as the thing wouldnt come on would it (lol)

let me see 3-6 and c-f erm?

?

yes there wired

so the dips dont work?

or is it a fault so its going straight into testmode regardless
of any dip changes becuase tilt doesnt work
here is a closer pic of the jamma wires:

and here is the testscreen????COINA:OFF:

how do i get this game on???

the dips dont change anything

the coina is doing my head in

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #21 on:** June 24, 2005, 02:03:18 pm »

Quote from: paradox on June 24, 2005, 01:34:25 pm

i think all the power wires are connected as the thing wouldnt come on would it (lol)

It could ...

Not sure what to suggest other than grab a multimeter and check voltages ... and that is not my area of expertise.

Sorry.

Cheers.

RayB · « **Reply #22 on:** June 24, 2005, 05:18:02 pm »

UMMM according to that most recent photo, it would appear all switches are being detected as ON! Everything should be OFF, unless you're pressing a button... Sounds to me like there's a short somewhere aong the inputs. Why else would it say "tilt ON" if you don't even have a tilt switch?

Check your jamma harness (the connector) and make sure all those solderd contacts are not touching each other.

You might even have to resort to disconnecting all buttons and joysticks to try and narrow down the short. (If anyone can confirm that I'm not way off here, please chime in before this guy wastes more time).

And another thing, you still haven't said WHICH MANCHESTER!!!

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #23 on:** June 24, 2005, 05:34:57 pm »

Quote from: RayB on June 24, 2005, 05:18:02 pm

UMMM according to that most recent photo, it would appear all switches are being detected as ON! Everything should be OFF, unless you're pressing a button... Sounds to me like there's a short somewhere aong the inputs. Why else would it say "tilt ON" if you don't even have a tilt switch?

Doh!

Yeah, sounds right ...

Cheers.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 24, 2005, 05:36:30 pm »

... unless ON just means "active" and that the buttons are ready for use. Does the manual say anything about the test mode operation?

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #25 on:** June 24, 2005, 05:44:37 pm »

Quote from: AlanS17 on June 24, 2005, 05:36:30 pm

... unless ON just means "active" and that the buttons are ready for use. Does the manual say anything about the test mode operation?

I was thinking that, but how would the board know that a NO switch had been hooked up at all ??

I think RayB is on to it.

Cheers.

paradox · « **Reply #26 on:** June 24, 2005, 06:38:58 pm »

wow you may have cracked it!

so on meens that there are pressed?

what do i do now ?

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #27 on:** June 24, 2005, 06:53:03 pm »

Quote from: paradox on June 24, 2005, 06:38:58 pm

wow you may have cracked it!

so on meens that there are pressed?

what do i do now ?

First thing is *please* stop creating new threads about this same problem.

Next is to check the soldering as RayB suggested.

Finally, what are all of the control wires hooked up to ? Did you save the control panel ? As RayB suggested, you may want to disconnect controls one at a time to isolate any short.

Cheers.

paradox · « **Reply #28 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:16:49 pm »

ive saved the control yes.

all the control wires seem to be ok

theres like a black wire that goes to all of the controls....which pin does that go on the jamma (ground?)

if so ive tried it and it doesnt work

you say removing each colored wire from each button and keep turning it on and off?

you know right at the end of all the controls would that have to be connected anywhere?

please help!

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #29 on:** June 24, 2005, 10:26:50 pm »

Quote from: paradox on June 24, 2005, 10:16:49 pm

theres like a black wire that goes to all of the controls....which pin does that go on the jamma (ground?)

Sounds like the ground wire daisy-chained from switch-to-switch (which is normal).

Actually, RayB's plan of disconnecting ALL controls off the bat is probably better than my one-by-one suggestion.

Quote

you know right at the end of all the controls would that have to be connected anywhere?

You've lost me here ... are you saying you have a wire that is not connected to your harness ?

Cheers.

paradox · « **Reply #30 on:** June 25, 2005, 08:12:25 am »

right the daisy chain black ground goes where?

is it any ground on the jamma interface?

i could try disconnecting them all and rewiring it

but now my minds on voltages

would the games go into test mode becuase of voltages or amperage

PLEASE HELP!!

paradox · « **Reply #31 on:** June 25, 2005, 08:19:50 am »

THANKYOU VERY VERY MUCH ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFULL

I JUST NEED TO SEE THIS BABY WORKING

THEN I WILL PUT EVERTHING BACK IN THE CAB AND TAKE LOADS OF PHOTOS TO SHOW IT TO YOU ALL

I WILL BE KEEPING THE BEAUTIFUL OAK CAB(WEIGHS A TONNE)

THE 20" Microvitec(philips) MONITOR FIT SNUGGLY INTO THE CAB

I NEED SOME SORT OF BEZEL FOR THE MONITOR AND GOOD SPEAKERS

AND THEN THE MAJOR COIN MECH!!!!

PLEASE HELP AS SOON AS I SEE THE GAMES WITH SOUND ON I WILL BE RESTORING THE CAB

THANKYOU VERY MUCH THIS IS MY FIRST EVER JAMMA SO PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME

TATAA

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #32 on:** June 25, 2005, 08:30:31 am »

Quote from: paradox on June 25, 2005, 08:12:25 am

right the daisy chain black ground goes where?

is it any ground on the jamma interface?

Yep

paradox · « **Reply #33 on:** June 25, 2005, 08:57:35 am »

right ive tried wiring all the controls to ground no luck

thats right how would the test mode know if a button is on if it not even grounded??

im going to photo it today in my other room moved it to a safer area

i will write down all the colours and where they go and romove them all

would this start my game?

cheers

CheffoJeffo · « **Reply #34 on:** June 25, 2005, 09:00:01 am »

Quote from: paradox on June 25, 2005, 08:57:35 am

i will write down all the colours and where they go and romove them all

would this start my game?

Your guess as good as mine at this point ... it could be a problem with the controls, the wiring harness or the board ...

Cheers

paradox · « **Reply #35 on:** June 25, 2005, 09:34:51 am »

on the test mode it says that COINA:OFF

RayB · « **Reply #36 on:** June 25, 2005, 03:09:29 pm »

Your thread says you got it to work. How about summarizing here so the thread has "closure"?

ShinAce · « **Reply #37 on:** June 25, 2005, 03:40:00 pm »

coinA is for 1 coin = multiple games
coinB is for multiple coins = 1 game.
Why would you want them both enabled?

RTFM.


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