Druins Interface.. Pin 1 location???

[dabone]

Is pin one on the left hand side?

Later,
dabone

[Druin]

I'll check it out in a minute.  I think I saw the pin numbers written clearly on the JST connector hood so I'll see what I originally listed in my pin map and make it all clear.

[KenToad]

I'm interested to see Druin's answer, but, if you can't wait, Druin's board worked for me as the first pin being on the left.  This is contrary to the numbers on the 13 pin connectors included in Floyd's rotary adaptor, if that's what you're using. 

Cheers,
KenToad

[Druin]

I updated the FAQ http://ca.geocities.com/druins22@rogers.com/ls30/joysticks.html

I hope this matches KenToad's observation, if not then there's a lot of confusion.  The JST connector I have from my original LS30 shows every pin number from 1 through 13 so that's where I got this new info from with my pin outs. 

[KenToad]

Whoa, that pinout doesn't jive with what's working for me right now.  I have the connectors on the opposite way.  My black ground wire is clearly on number 13, which you have listed as number 1.  Maybe Floyd's pinout is just a guess as to which side was number one on your board?  Luckily, this is not more than a cosmetic problem, since the adaptor can be pulled off and reversed with ease, as I discovered I had to do to get it to work.

Cheers,
KenToad

[Druin]

The most important thing is to confirm where your black ground wire is going on the board.  It should be on the right side when looking at the board connector from the edge, which I'm calling pin 1 based on my JST connector pin markings.
Does your connector have pin numbers written right on it?  Mine has all numbers 1 through 13 written on the top of it.

[KenToad]

The most important thing is to confirm where your black ground wire is going on the board. It should be on the right side when looking at the board connector from the edge, which I'm calling pin 1 based on my JST connector pin markings.
Does your connector have pin numbers written right on it? Mine has all numbers 1 through 13 written on the top of it.

Yes, the black ground wire is going to the right side, actually the pins you have marked as number 1.  According to Floyd's website, pin number 13 should be the ground pin on your board, so someone is confused.  My 13 pin connector does have numbers 1 and 13 written on it, nothing in between.  Is that what you mean?  Also, the ground wire is crimped into number 13 on the connector, which is on the left side of the connector when viewed from the top (plastic covered) side.  Again, they are both flipped so I can see the ends of the metal crimps, or whatever they're called. 

Hope it's not too confusing.

Cheers,
KenToad

[Druin]

I updated the FAQ yet again with a new picture. How does this match up with your numbers and pin 1 vs pin 13?  The markings of pin numbers on my JST connector follow this picture.  Is yours the same?

[KenToad]

If that is the plastic covered side, then yes.  Isn't pin 13 the ground?  Don't you flip it over to get it to be on the right side?

[Druin]

That's the plastic hood on top, so it seems like we're ok with the pin numbers, but in that picture ground is the right!  On the rotary board the ground pin is the one with the fat track coming out of it on the circuit so you can't miss it there either.  On the board in the picture, Joystick 1 is on the right of the picture, and the 5v/ground screw terminals are on the top of the picture.  You can see a fat track on the board going from joystick 1 to the screw terminals.  That's the ground pin on the joystick.

[KenToad]

Yeah, I have you interface right here in front of me and I see the fat track--nice term for that, btw.  I don't think anyone will get confused about anything anymore, especially if you spread the term fat track around.  It doesn't really matter what the pin numbers on your board are, just so long as the ground pin can be identified and anyone hooking up Floyd's interface realizes that pin 12 should be next to the ground and on until pin number one from the interface at the opposite side. 

Let's definitely go with the fat track thing.  I would have wired up my connectors opposite if I had known, but as I said, it doesn't seem to affect anything having the connectors on upside down.  Thanks a lot, Druin, for clearing this up.  I must go to bed now, but I'll try to check this thread again tomorrow morning to see if anything remains unclear for anyone.

Cheers,
KenToad 

PS  now that I think about it, I should have looked for that fat track earlier, trying too hard to follow the instructions, shut the brain down because of the ton of monotonous work to get these interfaces hooked up.  Hopefully, I will get some time to play the games soon.  I can't wait for two player Midnight Resistance, just like the old days at Aladdin's Castle.

[Tiger-Heli]

That's the plastic hood on top, so it seems like we're ok with the pin numbers, but in that picture ground is the right!  On the rotary board the ground pin is the one with the fat track coming out of it on the circuit so you can't miss it there either.  On the board in the picture, Joystick 1 is on the right of the picture, and the 5v/ground screw terminals are on the top of the picture.  You can see a fat track on the board going from joystick 1 to the screw terminals.  That's the ground pin on the joystick.

I'm still a little unclear.  Looking at your bottom graphic (which KenToad posted), we are calling Pin 1 Ground, and it goes to the Fat Track.  That looks fine for the Right side of the board.

On the left side of the board, it Looks like there is a Fat Track running under the capacitor and this goes to the upper pin, which is labelled as Pin 13.  Or maybe the Fat Track is on the back of the board for the left side and does run to the lower pin as shown?

[Druin]

On the left side the fat track is on the bottom of the board on pin 1 and goes to another ground location rather than straight to the screw terminal power.  The fat track on the capacitor is either +5v or ground, both running to the screw terminals so it may look deceiving from just a picture of the board.

[Tiger-Heli]

Thanks!

[fl0yd]

Maybe Floyd's pinout is just a guess as to which side was number one on your board?

I just looked at my druin's and I was using Pin 13 on the connector as the ground wire, but connecting it to the Pin 1 on Druin's.

[KenToad]

Hey Floyd and Druin, you guys are awesome.  I love personalized customer support.

Cheers,
KenToad

[Druin]

Hey Floyd and Druin, you guys are awesome.