Yes, your brand new, top-of-the-line computer will run MAME

[tommy]

Amen SB, lets start a new thread,"Tommy and SB's answers to questions asked many times, its ok we wont yell at you"   

[CheffoJeffo]

Search, SUCKS, i tried it.. and ive had none of my questions answered by it, ive googled in fear of pissing of the people here because they whine every time someone posts a question thats been asked..

I've stayed out of this because it is a dead horse thread, but my first search for requirements to run UMK3 yielded 5 results that answer the question for UMK3.

Asking the questions is not so much a problem, IF those asking the question would take the time to try first. The big "BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP, PLEASE READ THIS" would be a good place to start.

I have no problem with "I've read the stickies and searched the forums, but I can't find the answer". I doubt anybody else here does either, particularly those people whom you call ---Deutsche Frankfurters---, since they answer more questions and help more people than anybody else, including you and me.

Cheers.

[SOAPboy]

Amen SB, lets start a new thread,"Tommy and SB's answers to questions asked many times, its ok we wont yell at you"

[pointdablame]

Or how about people just stop being such ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- about it and point these people in the right direction..

Search, SUCKS, i tried it.. and ive had none of my questions answered by it, ive googled in fear of pissing of the people here because they whine every time someone posts a question thats been asked..

honestly, some of you guys need to just stop being elitests and help the new guys..

How much better do we have to point? It's stickied at the top... its the third damn post.

I don't see how we are being ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- or elitist when the answers to all of these questions are stickied.  Sorry bud...but you could find ALL of these answers if the n00bs simply click the third thread from the top... ya know...the one that says "CLICK BEFORE ASKING QUESTIONS"

If these people are too lazy/blind/illiterate/ignorant to click on that post and do a bit of reading and research for themselves, why should we have to answer the same questions over and over again.

People like helping those who first try to help themselves, its the same everywhere.  Go to a computer forum and ask "Is Intel or AMD better?"  or to a car forum and ask "What car should I get so I can go the fastest?" and see if you don't get teh same types of answers.

[SOAPboy]

Or how about people just stop being such ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- about it and point these people in the right direction..

Search, SUCKS, i tried it.. and ive had none of my questions answered by it, ive googled in fear of pissing of the people here because they whine every time someone posts a question thats been asked..

honestly, some of you guys need to just stop being elitests and help the new guys..

How much better do we have to point? It's stickied at the top... its the third damn post.

I don't see how we are being ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- or elitist when the answers to all of these questions are stickied.

[Bones]

For the record I think the search function works fine. Sure you have to invest some time, but the answers to almost everything are there if the time is taken to look.

However, this is a dynamic hobby and things do change so asking for help can sometimes bring a better solution/answer than what can be found in older threads.

Everyone should also try and remember the "excitement" days when this was all absolutely new and to be honest, a little overwhelming. You can hardly blame the newbie for asking some silly stuff in the heat of their enthusiasm.

[APFelon]

If these people are too lazy/blind/illiterate/ignorant to click on that post and do a bit of reading and research for themselves, why should we have to answer the same questions over and over again.

Because the Internet is full of lazy/blind/illiterate/ignorant people. This forum is no exception. And it ain't just newbies.

Does a math teacher get angry with his new students for not knowing the things he taught his class from the previous semester?

For those of us who have been on this forum for a while, it's easy to see a progression of sorts as we learn new things.

Just think of the newbie as you were. Their point of reference is just like yours when you got in to the hobby. They haven't seen the progression on this forum and haven't seen arcade emulation evolve as we have.

So have some empathy and attempt to see this hobby through the eyes of a new guy.

APf

[DrewKaree]

Search, SUCKS, i tried it.. and ive had none of my questions answered by it

There you go guys.  He's tried it, it didn't work for him, therefore it sucks.  Case closed. 

Talk about an elitist attitude!  Here, Mr Search Sucks:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=search2

Several replies, including one specifically titled "Killer Instinct Requirements", and I'm sure I could find at least one reply for all the stuff you claim "can't be answered" here.  Just because YOU can't figure it out, doesn't mean something sucks, doesn't mean the search is broke, and more likely, points to someone who wants spoon-feeding.  There's nothing wrong with spoon-feeding someone answers - if they've taken even a cursory look around and don't know where to look.  We'd point them to the search and some pointers for searching.  There are thread-upon-thread's to this around here, and I'm 100% positive that even in the forums you help run, these types of responses are posted there as well. 

The search works.  Period.  Put some time into thinking about what you want to know, and maybe you'll find your results.  You not being able to figure it out makes me chuckle to myself, because all your answers seem to be the "Here's how I do it" route, and yet in 5 seconds, I was able to get answers using the search that you state unequivocally SUCKS!  Maybe PEBKAC is rearing it's ugly head in your instance, but seeing common questions that have ambiguous answers such as this thread's title REQUIRE a "search" answer, because the people that don't know won't get answers from people OTHER than what's already out there, and would have found if they'd simply used the sucky search.

Telling a new guy to search for an answer IS considered "helping a new guy", because they just may have never seen it, or would PREFER to see several pages in an old thread telling them exactly what they need, instead of creating several NEW pages that still do the exact same thing - nothing.

As for the math teacher, what would he do?  He'd walk the person through the problem (point them to the search (memory recall) function).  If, after several weeks, the teacher finds the student continuing to miss the problem, he'd question if they actually knew the concepts (whether or not they actually searched the forum) and perhaps drop them to an easier or different class (request that they read a few threads from those searches).

Nobody was being pissy, Soaper, until you started calling people ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- and elitists.  Perhaps you taking this thread the wrong way might lead you to an understanding of how people feel after seeing the same threads and questions over and over, but you'll have to get over your attitude that we're all ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- and elitists, and you seem to have that opinion of some of us pretty well set in stone.  Sitting here calling people ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- and elitists tells me you're full of crap when you say you did something out of fear of pissing people off in here.  Your eyes have filled up and your hair is starting to turn brown you're so full of it.

Lastly, if you can't understand the joke of the thread, maybe you should stay out of it and not comment on it, since "not helping" doesn't apply to you.

[APFelon]

As for the math teacher, what would he do?  He'd walk the person through the problem (point them to the search (memory recall) function).  If, after several weeks, the teacher finds the student continuing to miss the problem, he'd question if they actually knew the concepts (whether or not they actually searched the forum) and perhaps drop them to an easier or different class (request that they read a few threads from those searches).

I don't think you understood my analogy.

And you WAY over reacted to Soapboy. Aside from his aggressive post, he has a very valid point. Perhaps you should pay attention to what he is saying, not how he says it.

But hey, what do I know.

APf

[ray_slup]

We need a newbie sub forum, of course newbie probably wouldn't post in the right forum
I think the best solution would be to not answer (or even read) the post if your sick of dealing with it. Someone else will answer it that has not tired of the question. Who knows maybe not answering right away will give the newbie time to search and find the answer themselves.
By the way shouldn't the word ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- be auto censored? 

[pointdablame]

Used to help run a car forum, and people asked the stupid same 1 liners over and over, we answered them.. On the torrent forum im helping run, people have and will keep asking stupid questions, we will keep answering them..

why? because we dont want to push away people from the places..

If you honestly give 2 shits about this place, and if you know the answers, you would help people, and be a bit more friendly about it..

We don't push people away either.  There have been very few threads here where people say "get out n00b" or similar.  Instead, we will offer advice to search, read FAQs, and point people in the right direction.  That's not pushing people away.. it's teaching them.  You want to spoon feed everything to people which is fine, but not what most people prefer.  I'd rather tell people where they can get information, because more often than not, those resources will answer 20 other questions that they have.

As far as your forums, good for you, but that is NOT the norm.  I read quite a few forums, and this is prevalent everywhere. I only know of one forum where people truly rail on each other, and that's only because the forum is practically meant for insulting people haha.  Anywhere else, you will have "THE QUESTION" that always gets asked, and it gets frustrating to answer it 3 times every day.  We put up stickies, they get ignored.  People write and post FAQs, and people choose to just ask anyway, even if their question is number 1 in the FAQ.

Tone down your high and mighty attitude cuz you think we should bow down to help people who can't look 3 posts down where the same question is asked AND ANSWERED.  This board is the most helpful forum I've ever been a part of, and also the friendliest.

Telling people where to get information is not "pushing them away"

[APFelon]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,36558.0.html

Have a look at this thread, Point. It's UberNewbieBeatdownDay!

[in Darth Vader voice] You have asked a question we have seen too many times. Now it is time to die.

The general rudeness and hostility on this forum has become destressing.

Bah, perhaps it is time I take my leave. When I get messages like this in my mailbox:

i found it funny reading your comments in the "splitting the EE thread", and how im not the only one thinking your a jackass, such a shame there are people like you on this board.

...it's a pretty good indication that the board has gone sour.

So you all have fun reveling in newbie bashing. I don't need the bad karma.

Jackass out.

Apf

[pointdablame]

I read that thread, and don't see how its bashing.  Peale posted a link to the MAME faq, and many other people just seconded the fact that it was asked quite a number of times.  I saw that the OP took it a bit personally, but he was also able to fix his problem himself, thus totally eliminating the need for the thread in the first place.

The lesson is, these boards are a GREAT RESOURCE, but it doesn't hurt to try to do things for yourself first.  You learn more that way IMHO.  Try to figure it out, then try to read up on it if you can't get it to work, then by all means ask people who know.  But the thing is, people (including myself) always have a feeling that their problem is the first time something has happened.  Truth is.. it rarely is.  If you take the time to look around, you'll get a lot of info.

I will never see "you can find your answer at xxxxxx" as a bash.  Giving people resources help them more in my opinon than saying "the answer is 5"  That's not how you learn, and as people have said, this hobby has a ton of info to learn about, and a lot of the fun is actually taking it all in.

[Zakk]

Or how about people just stop being such ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- about it and point these people in the right direction..

Search, SUCKS, i tried it.. and ive had none of my questions answered by it, ive googled in fear of pissing of the people here because they whine every time someone posts a question thats been asked..

It's not a magic 8-ball. Ask content questions related to the subject matter by keyword.

[tommy]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,36558.0.html

Have a look at this thread, Point. It's UberNewbieBeatdownDay!

[in Darth Vader voice] You have asked a question we have seen too many times. Now it is time to die.

The general rudeness and hostility on this forum has become destressing.

Bah, perhaps it is time I take my leave. When I get messages like this in my mailbox:

i found it funny reading your comments in the "splitting the EE thread", and how im not the only one thinking your a jackass, such a shame there are people like you on this board.

...it's a pretty good indication that the board has gone sour.

So you all have fun reveling in newbie bashing. I don't need the bad karma.

Jackass out.

Apf

You didnt like my PM i take it. 

[Spaced Invader]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,36558.0.html

Have a look at this thread, Point. It's UberNewbieBeatdownDay!

[in Darth Vader voice] You have asked a question we have seen too many times. Now it is time to die.

The general rudeness and hostility on this forum has become destressing.

Bah, perhaps it is time I take my leave. When I get messages like this in my mailbox:

i found it funny reading your comments in the "splitting the EE thread", and how im not the only one thinking your a jackass, such a shame there are people like you on this board.

...it's a pretty good indication that the board has gone sour.

So you all have fun reveling in newbie bashing. I don't need the bad karma.

Jackass out.

Apf

If you read all the way to the end of that post you will see the original poster, far from being "chased away", saying he was glad he had made the post and asking another (much better) question...which was answered in the very next post. So, I gotta say...bad example. 

Anyway, I haven't been a reqular poster here in over a year...upon returning I don't find the board has "gone sour" at all. On the contrary, it is still the friendliest, most helpfull board I have ever belonged to.

I do remember the day I first found this board...and I remember spending the next three days reading hundreds of posts BEFORE asking a question (of course I'm not twelve  ). I did have a few slap fights with some members early on (Howard  ) but I learned even from those...and I gained respect for those who were here bofore me.

So, I see nothing wrong with telling someone to RTFM and as long as you tell them where TFM is you ARE helping!

Just my 2 cents--opinions vary!

[greven grevs]

i think ray_slup said it best, just don't answer. Ignore the post and go on. Without it we end up in these overly long debates that just break down into "your ugly" and "your dumb" replies.
If you can't control yourself and feel the need to respond with RTFM do as Spaced Invader mentioned and link to it in the post.

Finally , the FAQ's need to be cleaned up and streamlined IMHO. Some of the threads are really long with bickering and contradictions.
This will never be answered fully. No one has the same setup that I have. So me saying "I have X processor w/ Y HDD and Z operating system and I can run all games" doesn't mean that joe bagodonuts can go and get XYZ and expect to run the same. For all we know joe's pc is swamped w/ virii and adware. Which of course will cause joe to come here and say "i looked at this thread and it said XYZ can play everything , but my computer with XYZ wont!"

poop i say!

[pointdablame]

i think ray_slup said it best, just don't answer. Ignore the post and go on. Without it we end up in these overly long debates that just break down into "your ugly" and "your dumb" replies.
If you can't control yourself and feel the need to respond with RTFM do as Spaced Invader mentioned and link to it in the post.

Finally , the FAQ's need to be cleaned up and streamlined IMHO. Some of the threads are really long with bickering and contradictions.
This will never be answered fully. No one has the same setup that I have. So me saying "I have X processor w/ Y HDD and Z operating system and I can run all games" doesn't mean that joe bagodonuts can go and get XYZ and expect to run the same. For all we know joe's pc is swamped w/ virii and adware. Which of course will cause joe to come here and say "i looked at this thread and it said XYZ can play everything , but my computer with XYZ wont!"

poop i say!

Shut up ugly.

EDIT:   You're dumb

 

[greven grevs]

poop i say!

Shut up ugly.

EDIT:   You're dumb

 

i relayed the message to joe bagodonuts. you made him cry   

[Tiger-Heli]

Or how about people just stop being such ---Deutsche Frankfurters--- about it and point these people in the right direction..

Search, SUCKS, i tried it.. and ive had none of my questions answered by it, ive googled in fear of pissing of the people here because they whine every time someone posts a question thats been asked..

honestly, some of you guys need to just stop being elitests and help the new guys..

Okay, I started typing this reply and then realized I hadn't read Page 2 of the thread (just as well, as it turns out).

Sorry, Soapboy, but I agree with pointdablame here.

If you try to search on AVG's forum you will get more of an idea of where I am going - (25 threads on any common question- sometimes with answers, most often not).

Search works pretty well.  It would work better if anyone used it.  What I mean is -

Let's say I start a thread on minimum PC requirements for MAME.  Lots of members will post useful info.  It will come up in a search (especially if you remember "Hey Soapboy said something about that so let me look up threads by him.")

Now User B doesn't search and posts the same question.  The other members either answer it or refer him back to my thread.

Still not too bad, but now a search will bring up TWO threads, one of which has no useful info.

Now USER C posts the same question in a new thread.  Members are tired now and just post "Been asked before, search the forum."

Eventually, you do a search and you come up with 40 threads on the same subject, 20 of which just tell you to search the forum (which you just did), and the other 20 that have (mostly) duplicate information.

See where I'm going . . .?

<EDIT - Added>
It would also help if newbies would name the threads better.  Soapboy's "newbie-bashing" post is a pretty good example - it's a thread that I had posted a 8-paragraph reply to about a week before and asked that it be stickied.  Of course, I think the thread I answered was titled "MAME Questions" so might not come up in a search of OK screens.</edit>

[Stingray]

Amen SB, lets start a new thread,"Tommy and SB's answers to questions asked many times, its ok we wont yell at you"   

Excellent suggestion. Too bad the newbies won't read it.

-S

[Zakk]

Heh, yeah unless they fix the search!!!