2005 BYOAC Tokens: General dicsussion.

[Santoro]

Front design thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,36613.0.html
Back design thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,36614.0.html

[Flinkly]

shouldn't the back design thread show the back of last years coin?  i guess it doesn't really matter...but for when we start voting on possibly keeping a side of last years tokens, it might be nice to have something to reference for the noobs.

[Santoro]

Last years' will be in the 'summary' threads.

[DreamWeb]

Santoro,

Oh, ok!  Thanks!  I didn't realize that the shipping was almost the same.  I must have made an error when I looked at it a couple of months ago!  Thanks.  I just ordered one hunderd silver..and I plan on ordering a couple hundred of the new brass ones...  no matter the design.

d.

[Stingray]

I skipped to the end of this thread so my apologies if this has already been mentioned. If there's any way you could make smaller tokens this time I'd really appreciate it. I have a bag of last year's tokens that I can't use because they won't fit in Midway coin doors.

-S

[tetsujin]

Perhaps for the design threads, you should standardize the token size and resolution, so that all design ideas will be seen in the same context?

You could provide a "circle template" of the proper size and resolution, matching the sample...  Just a thought.

[missioncontrol]

Front design thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,36613.0.html
Back design thread:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,36614.0.html

might want to see if a mod will sticky those two threads........

[Pixelhugger]

Perhaps for the design threads, you should standardize the token size and resolution, so that all design ideas will be seen in the same context?

You could provide a "circle template" of the proper size and resolution, matching the sample...

[RayB]

Can you have 1 token made out of pure gold, and then we'll see who ends up with it? They will be the winner, kinda like Charlie and golden ticket. Wouldn't that be great? Yeah. It would.   

[Kremmit]

Why separate threads for the "Front" and "Back"?  What if the two best designs both get entered in the "Front" thread? 

Why not just have all the designs in one thread, and when voting time comes, everybody picks their favorite two?

2)  Poll front and back separately with EVERY submission on it, open for 2-3 weeks.  If no clear winner after that time, condense poll to only the top 5 vote getters.  Open poll for 1-2 weeks on that.  Winner is announced.  On these polls, allow 3 votes.

Also, I'm in favor of having a run-off election with the top 5 vote-getters no matter what.  That way, folks who's favorites get eliminated early have a chance to vote on the candidates that actually have a chance.  That's why we have Primaries before the Presidential election.

[Pixelhugger]

In thinking about it, most coins seem to have the most identifying info on front and related but less specific information on back. If we are going to have a front an back thread, it probably makes sense to have design guidelines so we have front like and back like submissions. Otherwise, I think Kremmit is right there wouldn't be any sense separating them.

Maybe the "front" should have BYOAC or a BYOAC logo while the back could have a control or arcade related theme? That way it would feel a bit more legitimate.. if BYOAC appears on the front and differently on the back it'd be a bit weird no?

[DrewKaree]

I'm going to require several hundred absentee ballots

[Dougmeister]

Are brass and nickel the only options to consider for the new tokens?

[Chris]

Are brass and nickel the only options to consider for the new tokens?

The only other options the manufacturer has are aluminum, which are probably too light to work properly in the mechs, and red brass, which nearly doubles the cost.

[Santoro]

In thinking about it, most coins seem to have the most identifying info on front and related but less specific information on back. If we are going to have a front an back thread, it probably makes sense to have design guidelines so we have front like and back like submissions. Otherwise, I think Kremmit is right there wouldn't be any sense separating them.

Maybe the "front" should have BYOAC or a BYOAC logo while the back could have a control or arcade related theme? That way it would feel a bit more legitimate.. if BYOAC appears on the front and differently on the back it'd be a bit weird no?

Agree with the group on this sentiment. I will put some more guidelines in the instructions.

[RayB]

RED BRASS!!!  Oooooo!!

[Santoro]

Also, I'm in favor of having a run-off election with the top 5 vote-getters no matter what. That way, folks who's favorites get eliminated early have a chance to vote on the candidates that actually have a chance. That's why we have Primaries before the Presidential election.

This isn't a bad idea.

[Stingray]

I skipped to the end of this thread so my apologies if this has already been mentioned. If there's any way you could make smaller tokens this time I'd really appreciate it. I have a bag of last year's tokens that I can't use because they won't fit in Midway coin doors.

-S

Surely I'm not the only one who uses Midway coin doors.

**sigh** Anyone want to buy a bag of last years tokens?

-S

[Santoro]

Sadly, yours is only the first or second request I have had in a year for smaller tokens.

[DarkKobold]

Midway coin doors are very easy to modify to make big enough.  For my two midway games, I simply used a metal saw blade for a jigsaw, and by hand opened the width of the coin slot. Used a flat metal file to clean up the damage. The only reason a Midway door is too small is the first opening.

[monkeybomb]

Midway coin doors are very easy to modify to make big enough.  For my two midway games, I simply used a metal saw blade for a jigsaw, and by hand opened the width of the coin slot. Used a flat metal file to clean up the damage. The only reason a Midway door is too small is the first opening.

Do you have pictures of that?  It would be a great addition to the mod thread.  It would be helpful just to see the finished product and the tool you used.

[RayB]

Ehhh... hack our minty Midway originals??
 

[Stingray]

Ehhh... hack our minty Midway originals??
 

Exactly. I started to do that last year when I discovered the tokens didn't fit. Got as far as taking apart the coin door, but never could bring myself to cut the opening.

Sadly, I guess I'm out for any future tokens. Too bad, because the ones I got last year are beautiful.

-S

[ChadTower]

If the possibility came up to order a mixed batch of this year's and last year's nickel tokens, I'd definitely do that.  In fact, I don't want to be another person just saying I'd do it.  I'd be willing to pay now for a mixed batch, and then deal with a possible refund later, to help the process along with a concrete order.

[Kremmit]

Also, I'm in favor of having a run-off election with the top 5 vote-getters no matter what. That way, folks who's favorites get eliminated early have a chance to vote on the candidates that actually have a chance. That's why we have Primaries before the Presidential election.

This isn't a bad idea.   But in the interest of time I'd probably make it a week.  I want these tokens made this year. 

A week's more than enough. 

I don't suppose there's anybody besides RayB and myself that would spring for Red Brass?

[missioncontrol]

I figured the artwork people would be all over this by now..........

so far we have 1 front submission 

and 0 back submissions 

[Pixelhugger]

People are probably busy working designs out before showing them publicly, I'd guess. It'll probably pick up as people get decent first drafts done, and then start feeling pressure as more and more versions get posted.

I'm working on some stuff, but it's slow going since work is busy as usual.

[monkeybomb]

and 0 back submissions 

I was going to offer a backside submission, but I thought it might not go over well.

[Santoro]

I figured the artwork people would be all over this by now..........

so far we have 1 front submission

and 0 back submissions

I am bummed too, but I predict that there will be a flurry of them in a few days after people get some weekend free time.  I might even submit one, I have been tossing about a few different ideas.
 

[ddockery]

I'd be willing to throw down for the red, I'm guessing those would look REALLY slick.

[quarterback]

I'd be willing to throw down for the red, I'm guessing those would look REALLY slick.

I don't think I'd buy hundreds of them (due to the cost) but red brass sounds HOT!

[DrewKaree]

I was going to offer a backside submission, but I thought it might not go over well.

Something akin to my av?

[Santoro]

Best I can tell from Googling a bit, red brass looks a lot like copper.

[DrewKaree]

Best I can tell from Googling a bit, red brass looks a lot like copper. 

See here for a nice example: Red Brass Nipples 

If that's indeed what the red brass looks like, I can't see 'em being worth almost double the price.  Very underwhelming....will they mebbe send you a sample of the red brass made into one of the other designs?  I think that'd be easier to tell that way, but if they won't, I guess looking at nipples will have to do. 

What were we talking about again?

[quarterback]

Hey JJ, how about tossing your talents into the mix over in the "design" threads.

[RayB]

I would NOT order the reds if they look like those "nipples".

[quarterback]

I would NOT order the reds if they look like those "nipples".

Yeah, that wasn't really what I was picturing either, although the smooth (non-threaded) portion in the middle is closer to what was in my mind.

I did some Googling as well and couldn't find many red-brass example pics at all, but "red" would be the operative word for me to be interested.

[Chris]

I did some Googling as well and couldn't find many red-brass example pics at all, but "red" would be the operative word for me to be interested.

I would not be interested in red tokens.  I never went to a single arcade with red tokens.

[Troz]

I wasn't able to purchase any of last year's BYOAC tokens, but I do have the MAME tokens.  One gripe I have with them is the orientation of the design.  With most coins you flip them vertically to view the opposite side of the coin in the proper orientation.  The MAME tokens need to be flipped horizontally.  Is it possible to get this years tokens made like standard coins?

[Santoro]

Yes, I think that is possible.  I was already considering it because that bugged me too.