Post hot items from Ebay or no?

[Rocky]

Armax, I think you've made your point.

[AlanS17]

I like to see those who been searching for that long lost part finally have the opportunity to get it.

If people are relying on you to post auctions here rather than finding them for themselves, they obviously AREN'T searching to begin with.

That's what I've been trying to say, but haven't been able to do it.

[AlanS17]

People actively looking on Ebay are looking for a specific thing. People that see an auction here look at the item and then decide what they can do with it, whether they've been needing it or not. So you're helping the people who may not necessarily need it as bad, and shutting out those that probably need it more.

(I know you're going to attempt a snappy come-back to this arguement, but it doesn't matter. It's true. Spin however you like, but it doesn't change anything.)

[tommy]

I can agree with that alan, if i had some money to burn and saw a Ebay item on BYOAC i might go for it for no reason just beccause it looks pretty. 

If i had an item in mind i would go directly to Ebay and search myself. (agreed)

[armax]

Armax, I think you've made your point.

[AlanS17]

Even as people continue to vote, the ratio stays about the same: 2 to 1 against the practice.You'd be bothering more people than you help.

What else matters?

[armax]

I've addressed the poll as well.  No need to beat a dead horse.

[AlanS17]

Then I guess we're done! 

What a relief... I broke my finger recently playing softball, and it's hard to type handicapped...

Let's all agree to disagree. I guess I won't care too much until I'm affected (again). For the record, I think it's a bad idea along with most of the people voicing there opinions. But voicing my opinion is about the only thing I can do in the matter.

[armax]

Sounds good Alan.  Thanks for a great discussion.  I think we can both honestly say we kept the blows above the belt and acted with class.  I agree that we disagree but I tend to think we probably would  agree on other topics much more so.  This topics is pretty emotional and I thank you for keeping your cool.

Hope your hand gets better and cut out that softball and get back to wrestling joysticks with your arcade! 

[Crazy Cooter]

So here's my final say.

To clarify my pov Armax, I'm going to use your example:
"Ever follow up on a good deal that friend gave you a tip on?  I sure have."
Think about the difference in how you would feel if that friend told only you or told 5000 other people.  Friends tell each other about good deals under the table.  They don't announce it over a PA system.  I'm not saying you can't bid on things, I'm not saying you can't ever post an ebay link.  What I'm requesting (and so is 70% of the people here) is that you use some common sense doing it.  If someone has placed a bid, you're "friend" already knows about it so don't announce it over the PA system.  I think that my recommendations of when/when not to post an auction are a good guideline to follow.  If you post auctions at whim, you're going to piss off 70% of the people on this site.

Here's what I think we should all do:

*If you see an item on ebay (such as a yoke) AND it has no bids on the FINAL day, post it so someone can bid on it and capitalism can take it's course.

*If you see an item (such as a yoke) BUT it's not the last day OR it has a bidder, DON'T post it.  You're "friend" (someone that shares an interest in arcades) already knows about it.  Don't announce it over the PA.

Armax, there's no reason to ask ebay anything.  This isn't their site.  If you need further clarification on what is a good idea and what isn't a good idea to post for ebay auctions, we can take it up with Saint.  But I'll tell you now that he tends to side with the majority vote.  Add to it the fact that you would personally be responsible pissing off 70% of us and cost us additional money, I can speculate as to what his response would be.

Let's discuss Capitalism and Free trade in the EE forum.  Go ahead and start a thread titled "Economics 095" with your definitions of each.  I'll let you know when school is in session.

-out-

[armax]

Cooter, this poll does not speak for a majority.

[Crazy Cooter]

Seriously armax, quit being a troll.

[armax]

Now you're calling me a troll because I disagree with your POV?

[saint]

Well, I've been asked to weigh in on this thread. Unfortunately, I officially have no stance on the matter. This is one board members will have to decide for themselves

--- saint

[AlanS17]

Well, I've been asked to weigh in on this thread. Unfortunately, I officially have no stance on the matter. This is one board members will have to decide for themselves

--- saint

Good grief! 

P.S. Did you at least vote??? (You don't have to say which way you voted.)

[Crazy Cooter]

Now you're calling me a troll because I disagree with your POV?

I'm calling you a troll because you say you're still going to post items when the majority of people have said they don't want you too.

I'm calling you a troll because you are argueing about economics when you have no grasp of what you are even talking about, and this thread isn't about "free market", "capitalism" or what ever other new word you learned in 3rd grade Social Studies today.

I'm calling you a troll because you have zero grasp as to how ebay works (evidenced by you're "-1" overall feed back according to your email address), and how the seller can set a reserve for a price that they will "be happy" with.

I'm quite simply calling you a troll because you continue to try and cause an arguement.  That's the definition of a troll, that's what you're doing, that's what I called you.  I'll agree that I have no class , but that has no bearing on me calling you a troll.  I'm just pointing to something that has a waddle to it's walk and calling it a duck.

[lcddream]

Well, I've been asked to weigh in on this thread. Unfortunately, I officially have no stance on the matter. This is one board members will have to decide for themselves

--- saint

does this mean officially the poll will determine the overall outcome of this devilish dilemma?

edit:sp

[armax]

Answer one question:

[monkeybomb]

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5817

[quarterback]

Sorry, wrong guy Coot..I wasn't the first person with the user name.

[armax]

Sorry, wrong guy Coot..I wasn't the first person with the user name.

[quarterback]

I'm sure Saint will decide if your and Cooters posts violate his rules (if it's flaming).

  I'm not 'flaming' anybody.   I just did a quick search of these forums, found your email address and then searched eBay and found the information that I'm assuming CCooter referred to.

a quick call to cox will show that this user name was assigned to me early last year.

I'm not so sure about that.    No ISP that I've been with will give out personal account information to random callers.

If I'm not mistaken, the ebay user account was activated several years ago.

How did you so quickly know whose user account that is and when it was activated? 

In fact, why would you say "Sorry, wrong guy Coot..I wasn't the first person with the user name"   when Cooter didn't even mention anybody's user name?   What "user name" were you referring to?

[saint]

I voted

Well, I've been asked to weigh in on this thread. Unfortunately, I officially have no stance on the matter. This is one board members will have to decide for themselves

--- saint

Good grief! 

P.S. Did you at least vote??? (You don't have to say which way you voted.)

[saint]

No It means there's no official policy one way or another.

Well, I've been asked to weigh in on this thread. Unfortunately, I officially have no stance on the matter. This is one board members will have to decide for themselves

--- saint

does this mean officially the poll will determine the overall outcome of this devilish dilemna?

[armax]

So Saint, is there flaming going on here?  Maybe you could moderate this discussion to keep the discussion civil?

[quarterback]

a quick call to cox will show that this user name was assigned to me early last year.

[AmericanDemon]

You know this is sad.  I hate when topics like this pop up and nothing but arguments break out.  I for one would like to see a list of everyones EBAY names.   That way if I see a part on Ebay I am gonna bid on..... if its a BYOACer, it gives me the chance to contact them and find out if its a part that they need or a part they are willing to bid against me on. 

Simple answer, we need a BYOACer code of ebaying.  I dont care if whatever I bid on is shown on the forums, but what I do hate is when people argue over something that will not be resolved by a poll or by bickering. 

We need to draft a set of rules.  Nuff said.

[armax]

I'm not going to lower myself down any further by defending myself personally (but the user name I'm referring to must be the ebay user name...I have a 10 feedback) , I'll let people reach their own conclusions about me.

[AlanS17]

Well my name here is the same as on Ebay. Hell, it's just about the same everywhere!

This poll is just discussion. No policy will come of it. Arguing is almost pointless because it won't really bring any change (even though I know I'm right).   

The issue is just not significant enough to make hard rules for it. That's why Saint won't step in. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

[grueinthebox]

So can any of you who voted against the posting answer the quote above about the widowed lady?

I had a really long reply that I'd just finished up and decided to delete...  I think it all boils down to this, anyway:

Most people would not find it entirely acceptable to take advantage of the little old lady's ignorance.  The solution would be to advise her that she would be able to get more for the T2 machine.  If she still wanted to sell it to you for $50 knowing that, it would be fine to buy it.  Some people (myself included) are concerned only with getting a price they can be happy with for items they sell, especially when they're being put into the hands of someone who can use them.  Not everyone is concerned with dicking someone out of every penny possible, to the exclusion of all else.

Posting auctions here in order to "help the ignorant" is not the equivalent of informing the little old lady.  To make the analogy accurate, you'd have to go home and start taking out ads on the little old lady's behalf with a listed price of $350 (or whatever is standard) for the machine.  If you see something listed on eBay that you feel is in error, and want to "help the seller", drop them a line and let them know what you believe the error to be.  If it truly was an error, and they really want to, they can correct it.  If not, then don't go out of your way to make sure no one gets "a deal" out of it.

My question is this: why is it okay to harm the buyer to the benefit of the seller (as you're doing when you negate the work they've done to hunt down an item and save money), when the opposite is clearly not acceptable?

[quarterback]

My question is this: why is it okay to harm the buyer to the benefit of the seller (as you're doing when you negate the work they've done to hunt down an item and save money), when the opposite is clearly not acceptable?

My question is this:

[armax]

Because it's not honest.

[quarterback]

There's nothing dishonest about allowing somebody to sell something at a price that they think is acceptable but you think is too low.

[AmericanDemon]

Alright in this context, if you are standing at an auction.  Physically there.  A perfect home owned Defender comes up on auction.  However the marquee and bezel are i na box with it.  The auctioneer starts the bidding on this unknown arcade cabinet....

Do you:

A)  Stop the auction and tell them what it is?

B)  Bid and walk away with a deal?

We all know that we are going to do B.

Now in the context that one of your friends is auctioning the same Defender.  You see it before the auction happens what do you do?

A)  Tell him to get it re-appraised with the new information

B)  Stand in line for the auction and take the item.

This is a matter of ethics people.  If you buying so be it.  Ignorance is bliss.  If its a BYOACer selling an item, they should know what they are selling.  if someone doesnt take the time to research values it is their own fault.

I had this happen to me before.  I auctioned a game online.  I didnt even look it up first.  Happened to be a copy of DragonballZ Shinbutoden.  I sold it for 45 bucks.  Thought it was great!  Then I looked on Ebay and noticed the rest were going for 120 bucks.  I felt pwned.  But you know what.  It taught me a lesson.

Now someone lock this topic please.

[armax]

But wouldn't it have been great if someone told you what it was actually worth?  It's sad that instead of someone doing the right thing, we wrap it up by saying, "they should have known better".  Heck, not everyone is the sharpest pencil out there but taking advantage of them isn't right.

We all have taken advantage of someone, but why scream to a community to condone and protect it?

ignorance is bliss but not justification in being taken advantage of...

[armax]

oh, and I agree.

[Kremmit]

I've been waiting for this thread to run out.  It was a discussion worth having, and I'm sure it's given the folks who've been following along a chance to decide once and for all where they stand on the issue, but I can't see anybody changing anybody else's mind at this late date.  There hasn't been any new ground broken since page 2 somewhere, so at this point, there's a couple of friends of mine that want to comment:



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[lcddream]

i think the solution to this matter can be summed up by the old adage

give a man a fish he eats for a day

teach a man to fish he eats for life

point being instead of spinning your goodwill wheels, by posting every "killer" deal on this board...

maybe start a thread giving some people pointers instead of letting them get fat off your work

if they don't have the skills help them that way, rather than giving them breakfast in bed


edit: typo

[quarterback]

give a man a fish he eats for a day
teach a man to fish he eats for life
point being instead of spinning your goodwill wheels, by posting every "killer" deal on this board...
maybe start a post giving some people pointers instead of letting them get fat off your work
if they don't have the skills help them that way, rather than giving them breakfast in bed

It's true.

[lcddream]

i like it

sorry for all the commonly used phrases, slowly i am becoming the people i work for...kinda like office space

if you could stop ruining peoples bid sniping that'd be greeeatt, you can go ahead and not post that stuff anymore

edit: im dumb