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rejuventor help needed i think...
« on: April 15, 2005, 09:13:37 am »
So i got my B&K 466 rejuvenator the other day and am making up an adapter based on their posted plans for things like this.  I noticed all the other pins have an obvious spot on the cr-23 adapter (which i'm building from an old neckboard socket from a dead k7000) except pin 1--is this the one pin set off from the others, typically encased in the plastic pie piece looking wedge?  Also i notice that on the 466, pin 10 of the default socket is labelled g2 red, g2 grn, g2blu, g3,g4 but the cr-23 socket has pin 1 as g3,g4,g5 and pin 7 as g2 grn --So if you are still following does pin 10 of the 466 socket get hooked to pin 7 or pin 1 on the cr-23 adapter-or both?
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Re: Where is pin1 on neckboard socket
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2005, 10:27:20 am »
Go to www.ionpool.net and download the B&K setup book. One of the rear pages has the wiring translation from the old 466 to newer models' wiring.

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Re: Where is pin1 on neckboard socket
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2005, 07:40:28 am »
Thats what I have been using as my resource so this works out well.  Notice on the 466 round socket pin 10 corresponds to pin 9,10,11,12 on the 467 socet?  Okay, now if you scroll up you see the connections for a cr-23 adapter connections.  Now you see that pin 1 on the cr-23 is g3,g4,g5 and pin 7 is g2 grn right?

I was wondering does pin 10 on the 466 socket get wired to pin 7 or pin 1 on the cr-23 socket--or both?

Also just to confirm that this is in fact pin 1?  I assumed it was but you know what they say about assuming....
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Re: Where is pin1 on neckboard socket
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2005, 11:31:34 am »
Are you trying to make an adapter that goes straight to the 466's original round connector or are you wiring the 466 to modern 467/470 rectangular Molex?

If you were wiring direct from the 466 round socket to the tube socket on a cr23 then pin 10 of the 466 would go to both pins 1 and 7 of the cr23. Yes, what you guessed as pin one is correct in you picture (it's the G3 a.k.a. focus voltage).

Here's how you should wire:

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Re: Where is pin1 on neckboard socket
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2005, 12:14:35 pm »
Thanks for comfirming ken!  (just as a side note the heater is pin 12 on the 466 and not pin 2 as shown above-likely a typo)  i will be going straight from the 466 to the cr-23 but i figure i would mention the 467 side as it shows the function of each pin--just wanted to make sure I wasn't confusing everyone.  I'll post results back--more for posterity than anything...
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Re: rejuventor help needed i think...
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2005, 03:40:17 pm »
Ok adapter made according to B&K specs...

I tried it this afternoon and my only concern is that I get no readings whatsoever when i try and read emissions from the blu and red cathodes--Green reads as good. I tried it on a known working tube and the readings were identical leading me to believe its my adapter and not the tube or rejuvenator. I have calibrated the rejuvenator also according to b&K specs.

Anyone have a cr-23 adpater that they can have a look at for me or send me a good picture of? It just seems like with the configuration as provided by B&K there is no way to read the red and blue cathodes??  is the 466 not modern enough to work with this tube maybe?
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Re: rejuventor help needed i think...
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2005, 08:38:52 pm »
ok had a brainstorm--for whatever reason there is no continuity on the K red and the K blue but it works just fine for the K grn--presumably because G1 or G2 green "completes the circuit"  So what if a 3-position switch was added off pin 8 from the 466 (K grn) and switched the output to each of the 3 color cathodes on the cr-23 socket.  From the rejuvenators point of view it would always be reading the green cathode but the switch would direct it to each of the three (see pic for more clarity)  Will this work?  will I blow up myself?
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Re: rejuventor help needed i think...
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2005, 06:54:33 am »
This works as configured above with the exception that I get no readings on H-K leakage or G1 leakage.  This could be that there either wasn't any or something is still not configured properly.  On my two test tubes I had a very weak red gun (on the supposed working one) and it rejuvenated to good no problem.  On the other one I had 3 good guns which is good news since i paid 25$ for a 27" monitor.

So point in fact a B&K466 will rejuvenate an arcade monitor with a cr-23 connector but further study needs to be done to determine if its capable of detecting h-k leakage and g1 leakage.  Oddly enough in all my searching I never read definitive statements about that--I guess once people got it working they felt no need to report back...
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Re: rejuventor help needed i think...
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2005, 10:24:36 am »
I've never seen the 466 myself. Does it have only one meter or does it have 3 meters?

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Re: rejuventor help needed i think...
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2005, 10:29:32 am »
it has the one meter and the color switches to go between the different guns--If it was a little more up to date it would be a perfect analyzer--the tests are sequential (as I think all the analyzer's are) and the readings are easy to read and the instructions are easy to follow.  I think i will sell it back on ebay for 25$ now that I'm done with it though.  I've only rejuved one tube and its paid for itself already  :D
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Re: rejuventor help needed i think...
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2005, 10:36:48 am »
Get a 467 instead. It is what I use (and I love it!) plus it has 3 meters so you can see the condition of all 3 guns at once. Makes it real easy to see the color balance too.